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    Quote Originally Posted by leejosepho
    Correctness and/or rightness of tools is occasionally subjective.
    You could always be one of these guys:

    Just my 2 worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Petey
    Maybe so....but NOT in this case.
    Why not? What is your reasoning?

    Quote Originally Posted by 480sparky
    You could always be one of these guys ...
    That is one of my favorite never-do-this pictures, but it is not in the category presently being discussed. Bob used a well-made tool to do what is was designed to do: cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leejosepho
    Why not? What is your reasoning?
    Because that tool is not made, NOR IS IT SAFE, for cutting live wires.

    I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS EVEN BEING DEBATED!!!!

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    While the loppers may be insulated and may have work this time, they were not designed for that use and I can guarantee they were never tested and rated for conductivity at all, never mind for use as a live wire cutting tool.

    Something that worked today may not work tomorrow due to a minor change in something as simple as humidity where the tool was being stored.

    How much voltage and amperage are they rated for??????

    People die from electrocution all the time because they think that they are insulated while working with electricity and find out the hard way that they are not.
    Last edited by Cass; 10-16-2007 at 05:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Petey
    I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS EVEN BEING DEBATED!!!!
    There is no debate here, at least not on my part. I have only been asking what you believe was wrong about Bob's specific use of that particular cutting tool. Believe this or not, and along with whatever else: I am here to learn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cass
    I can guarantee they were never tested and rated for conductivity at all ...
    I will write to the manufacturer and ask about that. Once again: My suspicion is that the cutters were engineered to be non-conductive in the event of someone trimming near wires unintentionally getting into one.

    I talked with a multi-licensed and well-seasoned electrician about all of this earlier today, and he saw no problem with what Bob did. In that electrician's view of things, the right/correct tool was used if the job got done sans any damage (even to the tool) or personal injury.

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    Here is the question I just sent to Fiskar, and since we all know their cutters are not intended for cutting any wires (live or not), the question I asked is only about incidental contact with a live wire:

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    Greetings.
    While trimming around electrical wires, would any of your loppers be safer than others in the event of nicking a wire?
    Thank you,
    Joe
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    Quote Originally Posted by leejosepho
    I talked with a multi-licensed and well-seasoned electrician about all of this earlier today, and he saw no problem with what Bob did. In that electrician's view of things, the right/correct tool was used if the job got done sans any damage (even to the tool) or personal injury.
    Well then all I can say is this licensed, well seasoned electrician strongly disagrees with him.
    Not much more I can say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Petey
    Not much more I can say.
    Me either!!!

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    for me to believe the manufacturer did not make absolutely sure those handles were not conductive and that Bob did not know they were completely safe.
    HORSE HOCKEY...All I can say in light of your ignorance in this matter is PLEASE continue to do this type of work YOUTUBE needs a few more OH LOOK HE's FRIED videos

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    BoDean,

    I just had a new panel installed as well after a close call with a bad main breaker almost caught the house. Total cost including new 200a panel and breakers with install was $650 and the old panel was a complete rats nest. Electrician pulled meter himself and also ran new lines from meter. IMO opinion it was well worth it to pay a pro for something this involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoDean
    Who is KCPL trying to protect?
    YOU!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianJohn
    All I can say in light of your ignorance in this matter ...
    Of what do you believe I am ignorant?

    It is impossible for me to believe the manufacturer is completely ignorant as to the conductivity or non-cunductivity of their loppers, and it is impossible for me to believe Bob did not know he would be completely safe using them as he did. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please share it!

    In any case, a customer service specialist at Fiskar has responded to my question by saying she is not aware of any of their loppers being any safer than others around live wires.

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    Ignorant of DUH ELECTRICAL SAFETY. There is little or nothing anyone is going to say to convince you of the stupidity of this so carry on as you wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leejosepho
    There is no debate here, at least not on my part.
    Obviously you misspoke here.
    Looks like you are vigorously, and futilely, trying to prove your point.

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    Good Lord leejosepho, give this thread a rest. Why do you insist on arguing with a highly qualified electrician like BrianJohn. With every response, you appear to make yourself more ignorant than in your previous response.

    Fiskar pruning shears are meant to cut branches, not electrical conductors. NUF SAID.

    In any case, a customer service specialist at Fiskar has responded to my question by saying she is not aware of any of their loppers being any safer than others around live wires.
    I'm sure this customer service specialist is also a highly qualified electrician. DUH! She probably doesn't know the definition of conductivity.

    All this having been said, I believe BobNH to be a careful guy as well. I'm sure he felt he was very safe in doing what he did. Even if he "got bit" it would probably be 110. We've all had a bit of that. Bob is an educated, qualified guy, taking a calculated risk.

    What you absolutely don't want on a DIY forum like this, is for future uneducated DIY Homeowner/Hacks reading this thread, is to think that it is OK to sever your service entrance cable with a pair of hedge clippers. BrianJohn is trying to tell you how it would be done by a pro with all of the proper tools for the job. PAY ATTENTION!


    JUST LET IT DROP!
    Last edited by George R; 10-17-2007 at 07:32 PM.

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