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    Question Help...

    If you are a professional plumber I would very much appreciate it if you respond to my post. Much thanks.

    Hired a man to replumb the bathroom. From the toilet bend to the 4" vertical DWV stack he installed ten horizontal (pitched) feet of 3" pipe. There are two forty-five degree elbows and one ninety degree elbow in the ten foot run of 3" pipe (the ninety degree bend is six feet away from the toilet bend and four feet from the 4" DWV). At the ninety degree bend the lavotory drain joins the toilet drain and at nine feet the tub drain joins the toilet drain. All the fixtures drain and are air vented by the same 4" vertical DWV pipe at the end of the ten foot run. The ten foot run of 3" horizontal pipe does not join the 4" verticle pipe with a long sweep elbow.

    Isn't this all wrong? I am not a plumber but I can read and common sense tells me...if there's a blockage in the toilet pipe it will back up into the sink and the bathtub. I'm not sure there will be sufficient venting from the toilet given the length of the run and all the turns.

    There's plenty of space for him to run the horizontal 3" drain from the toilet directly into the verticle 4" DWV and by way of a much shorter span - six or seven feet rather than ten feet. Then he could let in the lavatory and tub drain independently using what I heard described as a Wisconsin Cottage tee.

    Should I assert myself and stop him in his tracks before it gets all framed and durocked and tiled in!

    Or am I worrying about nothing and what he's doing is fine?

    The plumber will be back in eigiht hours to continue with the installation...

    The plumber is italian and does not speak English and I do not speak Italian. The Dominican contractor who brought him to us (and speaks Spanish) has been translating.

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    This would make a great movie! OK, I'm not a pro, but I think your thinking is right on target. Hold everything until you get one of the pros that hang around here to give you their professional take on this. You didn't say where you are, but I surmise you're in the Dominican Republic. Don't know how this Italian plumber got into the mix, but I can tell you from my experience the Italian plumbing code, if you can even call it a code, hasn't progressed much from the time of the Roman Empire. I don't have a inkling what the codes are in the DR, but my guess is they are not much. There should be some pros around here Monday morning.

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    Gary, I am in Boston, Massachusetts. Not Italy of the Dominican Republic.

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    call the plumbing inspector to make sure it is done right. It will hold your project up a bit but you will be happy for it in the long term.

    I'm in Mass but out towards Worcester. If the guy is a plumber he knows you can't box the plumbing in until the inspector comes and looks at it. You know most of the time if it looks wrong it probably is wrong.


    The best advise is to call the inspector
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    Quote Originally Posted by McG
    Gary, I am in Boston, Massachusetts. Not Italy of the Dominican Republic.

    I do alot of work in Boston.

    McG, as far as not speaking english, I'd be concerned if he is licensed, hard to pass the test if you can't read/write English, much less speak it.
    If he isn't licensed, then he's not insured either...a complete slap in the face to me...directly. A potentially BIG problem for you if there are resulting problems with your plumbing down the road.
    I pay dearly for my liability, did my time as an apprentice, paid thousands for my schooling/literature and now I lose business constantly to lowballers who don't have licenses and are willing to work cheap & illegal, and YOU wind up paying the longterm price.
    I can deal with a homeowner who wants to do some minor repairs, but someone who intentionally misrepresents themselves and charges for professional work - NOT good.
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    McG, Gary wasn't implying that you're in Italy or the DR, but rather referring to your mention of the workers' nationalities. If not relevant, why did you mention it? I also took it to mean, "illegals". Or at least, "unlicensed". Definitely "unfamiliar with local codes & practice".

    Patrick, I think you missed the subtext: I doubt there's any inspection involved.


    What is it this week? Every message board I go to, has one of these threads. "I hired a cheap hack, can any real pro's help me out with free advice..."

    Yeah, sure, here's some advice: don't hire hacks.
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    Patrick, I think you missed the subtext: I doubt there's any inspection involved.
    I assumed that the "plumber" did not pull a permit and probably was not licensed to do plumbing in this state or country. So if the owner called the inspector the truth would come out. Thats why i said
    It will hold your project up a bit but you will be happy for it in the long term
    It is always worth the time to check to make sure whom ever you hire has a valid license in the state you live.
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    Ah. Okay, then.
    Master Plumber Mark:

    there is nothing better than the
    manly smell of WD 40 in the air
    while banging away on brass with a chisel and hammer...

    it smells like......victory......

    do not hit your thumb...
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    Yeah, sure, here's some advice: don't hire hacks.
    Never hire the cheapest because thats what you will get.
    I'm just starting to work with an old friend of mine to bring solar electric and hot water systems, wind turbines, Flex Fuel Boilers, batteries, hydroponic gardening, books, pellet grills and more. Also the parts for DIY installation.

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    frenchie, just to let ya know, I actually considered putting Mark's quote on my own personal quote...ya beat me to it.
    I'm mad, grumpy even.
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    Unfortuneately, in MA, that simple task is illegal as I understand it - a licensed plumber must perform ALL work. Correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't say it makes sense...MA is like that. Had Blue Laws for ages...
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    Ian, Jim said it.
    MA is a bit uptight regarding more simple tasks.
    It's your home, a simple compression stop is a small job and a plumber can only go so low to stop by as far as price is concerned.
    A condo owner with other units below is another thing altogether a simple slow leak can be thousands in repairs below, or a landlord working on gas fixtures, that tennants pay to live safe...thats the line I won't cross.
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    Landlords make money on the renters so they should make sure the building they own is safe. If they are doing the work them selves then who is checking on them to make sure everything is safe.
    How many times have all of us plumbers gone to a multi family and seen major plumbing problems and the landlord only wants you to patch it. I walk if he will not let me fix it right. I know as soon as i touch it so i can make a buck something bad will happen and he will blame me for all the problems.
    I'm just starting to work with an old friend of mine to bring solar electric and hot water systems, wind turbines, Flex Fuel Boilers, batteries, hydroponic gardening, books, pellet grills and more. Also the parts for DIY installation.

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