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    Does anyone know of an advice forum for DIY electrical work? It would be nice if there was something even half as useful as this forum is for DIY plumbing!

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    Did you know there is an electrical forum here?

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    here is a great electrical DIY forum: http://www.terrylove.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9

    The big problem with electric people is that they deal with electricity. It warps their thinking.

    Since it can hurt you, they get it drummed into them that all information and knowledge is dangerous to share, since any dolt can get a jolt, injuring or killing himself and burning the family and the neighborhood to boot.

    All just by playing with wires after thinking he knows something worth checking out.

    Here is a statement I found printed inside my front loading washer:
    WARNING This information is intended for use by persons having electrical and mechaincal training and a level of knowledge of these subjects generally considered acceptable in the appliance repair trade. The manufacturer or seller can not be responsible, no assume and liability, for injury or damage of any kind arising from the use of this data.

    IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTICE This information is intended for use by technicians possessing adequate background of electrical, electronic and mechanical experience. Any attempt to repair a major appliance may result in personal injury and property damage. The manufacturer or seller cannot be responsible for the interpretation of this information, nor can it assume any liability in connection with its use.
    .--. whew!


    Electrical guys seem to be stuck on NOT helping DIY since the DIY reading it now or lurking browsing and gleaning in the future may not be up to that level necessary.... That is the Tedesco-like mindset; since he doesn't "know" that you are capable, he will refuse to share.

    With plumbing you still have dangerous situations, but not instant dangers like voltages.

    The best DIY forums will always be run by plumbers. They have the broadest exposure to risks so they can explain things with the clearest mind. Not too breezy and flip, not too suspicious and insulting.

    david

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    Wow, what a comment you made. I was married to an electrical guy for nearly 25 years and he was never warped. Do you even know anything about electrical work or electrical people in order to make those comments.

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    The problem with electricity is you won't know you did something wrong until it is too late... it really is that serious...

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    Silly me. I didn't notice the electrical forum. Thanks for pointing it out.

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    Genie, you are so full of it.

    Mike Whitt, electrical instructor by trade, answers any question anyone wants to ask here. Speedy Petey, Bob, Chris... lots of sparkies spreading their knowledge. I'm just a GC, but I share what I've picked up, too...

    What bothers me, and a lot of electricians, is when someone who doesn't have electrical knowledge, posts a wrong answer that may create an unsafe situation; or when you tell someone that what they're proposing is dangerous & illegal, and they want to argue about it.

    Electricity is dangerous, you know.

    That makes it completely different from plumbing - unless you want to talk about gas lines or steam systems - which I note plumbers usually discourage people from DIYing.

    The only part of your post I agree with, is that the best DIY board (singular) is run by a plumber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geniescience
    The big problem with electric people is that they deal with electricity. It warps their thinking.
    I disagree with singling out electricians and painting them with a broad brush as "warped in their thinking." As a self-confessed Handyman, I've been the target of some plumbers, some electricians, and most recently, one angry carpenter. The problem with some of these tradesmen is that they feel (unnecessarily) threatened by the likes of me. Or that me and my kind are a menace to society. They don't seem to get it, that those who would hire them, wouldn't hire me, and vise-versa. There's a place for all of us. Nobody's taking food out of anybody's mouth... I can't think of any more cliches.

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    Pretty much the only time a plumber gets killed on a job, is when it crosses over into electrical. They might be flux or torch burns, but not much else.

    One of my local inspectors had a friend that died in a crawlspace while doing a repipe.
    He cut the pipe, and lost the ground for the electrical panel.
    He became the ground and died.

    Now that city requires pretty hefty grounding on a repipe.

    There is a lot of good advice being given out.
    I think guys like Mike and the others should be thanked for their help.
    Last edited by Terry; 08-31-2007 at 08:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geniescience
    ... plumbers ... have the broadest exposure ... so they can explain things ...
    I had never before thought about that, but there seems to be some truth there. Plumbers have to deal with related framing and wiring issues far more than carpenters or electricians ever have to deal with plumbing issues ...

    Has everybody hugged their plumber today?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdeboy
    [I]The problem with some of these tradesmen is that they feel (unnecessarily) threatened by the likes of me. Or that me and my kind are a menace to society. They don't seem to get it, that those who would hire them, wouldn't hire me, and vise-versa. There's a place for all of us. Nobody's taking food out of anybody's mouth... I can't think of any more cliches.
    Gee, Eric... maybe you should try not thinking in cliches, then, and actually read what people post, instead.

    The angry carpenter (I assume you mean me?) used to be an unlicensed handyman. Oops - none of your cliches are applicable here. Try again.


    BTW, you completely missed the reference to Harry Buttle, didn't you?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eosrujtjJHA


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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchie
    The angry carpenter (I assume you mean me?) used to be an unlicensed handyman.
    Actually, I was referring to "Tool Addict" and wasn't even going to bring up our recent exchange.

    As far as the cliches, you've only been here for a short time. There have been several threads started by tradesmen who believe that handymen do greatly impact their business, and they would like to see us disappear. Most of them have been plumbers. Although the point is only tangentially related to Genie's comments, it goes without saying that DIY'ers also include the so-called Handy-Hackers. So, his comments about how electricians feel about DIY'ers are also applicable to how electricians feel about Handymen.

    My point is that not all tradesmen, whether electricians or plumbers or carpenters, etc.. are reluctant to disseminate useful information. And that the ones who are, are either worried that we will mess everything up, or that by giving us this information, they may be shooting themselves in the wallet.
    Last edited by Verdeboy; 08-31-2007 at 10:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdeboy
    Actually, I was referring to "Tool Addict" and wasn't even going to bring up our recent exchange.
    Oops, my bad.

    Since the topic was electricity, I figured...

    Yeah, I know, I need to get over myself, right?


    As far as the cliches, you've only been here for a short time. There have been several threads started by tradesmen who believe that handymen do greatly impact their business, and they would like to see us disappear. Most of them have been plumbers.
    I've actually been lurking for ages. And I got jumped by Kordst on my 1st post, for winterizing my boss' house even though I'm not a plumber. So I know... I know.

    Although the point is only tangentially related to Genie's comments, it goes without saying that DIY'ers also include the so-called Handy-Hackers. So, his comments about how electricians feel about DIY'ers are also applicable to how electricians feel about Handymen.
    You would think so; but I find most sparkies treat DIYers pretty differently from handymen. So does the law.

    ...but let's not bother revisiting that.

    How'd you like the deNiro clip?
    Master Plumber Mark:

    there is nothing better than the
    manly smell of WD 40 in the air
    while banging away on brass with a chisel and hammer...

    it smells like......victory......

    do not hit your thumb...
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    I got the impression that Genie was talking tongue in cheek.....kinda thought it was funny.

    Mort

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchie
    How'd you like the deNiro clip?
    Funny as hell. The reference part went over my head, though.

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