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    I need to deep 6 this electrical Box and repair the hole in the wall of this adobe house. What's the best way to proceed?
    FYI, this is in the kitchen, and there's plenty of outlets in there already.
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    No advice on how to cap off this line and bury it in the wall?

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    You CAN'T bury it in the wall. But you can turn the conduit by 90 degrees (either horizontal or vertical), keep the wires in a flush mounted box, cap the lines, and put a blank cover plate over it. (Assuming it doesn't feed another box).

    Alternatively, you can trace the wires that feed this box and then disconnect them at the source and then just remove the box.
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    Thanks for the help. I said "bury it in the wall" just to get someone's attention.

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    George - FIY - Verde isn't a homeowner working on his own place, he's working for hire.

    Verde - Look up your state laws.

    I'm not saying you always have to follow the rules; I understand you maybe just need to put food on the table. But I'm not going to help you do it.

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    Wow!

    First there's "Grumpy Plumber," now there's "Grumpy Electrician."

    Frenchie, FYI, I've installed about 1000 light switches, 1000 receptacles, 1000 light fixtures, 1000 garbage disposals, numerous range hoods, swamp cooler pumps, fan motors, and various other minor electrical installations and repairs in my 20 years working in apartment maint. and as a General Handyman--all in homes and apartments I don't own.

    If you want to go "Joe Tedesco" on me that's your right, but I'll keep improving my knowledge base with or without your help.

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    Relax, bro. I'm not an electrician, I'm a GC.

    All I said was, I'm not going to help you break the law. Didn't say you had to follow it - just that I ain't going to help you break it. How is that going Joe T on you?

    As for your extensive experience... If you've done that much electrical work, what's up with this rookie question?

    20 years? Between this and the tile countertop on 1/2 ply, I thought you were some young guy, just starting out...

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    If it was me I would do similar to what George said, I would probably use a new box, (to eliminate the open knock outs) and enter from the rear and set it in flush with the adobe wall and plaster it back up and leave the outlet, unless there is some other reason to move/remove it. other wise go to the source of the flex and disconnect and pull the whole thing, and then plug the knock out on the other box that was entered into by the flex. and then plaster over the hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchie
    Relax, bro. I'm not an electrician, I'm a GC.

    All I said was, I'm not going to help you break the law. Didn't say you had to follow it - just that I ain't going to help you break it. How is that going Joe T on you?

    As for your extensive experience... If you've done that much electrical work, what's up with this rookie question?

    20 years? Between this and the tile countertop on 1/2 ply, I thought you were some young guy, just starting out...
    RE: Electrical,
    1. I've never encountered a situation like this with adobe (I'm from Michigan). 2. I like to hear how a pro would do it, if nothing else, to confirm what I already think.

    RE: Tiling a countertop,
    Never done one before. Guilty as charged.

    RE: Breaking the Law,
    I follow my conscience. It's always clear, unlike many laws, rules, and codes. And it hasn't let me down yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdeboy
    RE: Electrical,
    1. I've never encountered a situation like this with adobe (I'm from Michigan).
    Your question wasn't about the adobe part of it - even on the other thread you started, which was nominally about the adobe, you wound up saying:

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    If I didn't have the electrical to worry about, I'd just fill the hole with rocks and dirt, attach the stucco wire (somehow), and stucco the outside. The electrical is the problem.

    I agree with you about the conscience bit. Mine'd give me a hard time, charging money for something I didn't know how to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchie
    I agree with you about the conscience bit. Mine'd give me a hard time, charging money for something I didn't know how to do.
    Mine, too. Which is why I try to gather as much info as possible on a subject, and if I still don't feel comfortable, I turn down the job. I'll probably turn down the counter tiling job for just that reason.

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    Not much with plumbing, heat, or air, but I can answer some electrical questions (and no, Im not a pro). Here, you can cap the wires and terminate them in a box with a blank cover, but that box and cover HAS to be accessible and exposed. You cant panel over it, paper over it, or hide it in or behind a wall. Check code and see what they say there, and have fun!

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    Thanks Andy and Biker,

    If I disconnect that wire at the breaker box, but am unable to pull it out of the wall, do I still need to terminate the unused wire in the same way?

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    If you can find the other end of the flex, you might be able to pull the individual wires out of the flex, then I think you could cover up the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdeboy
    Thanks Andy and Biker,

    If I disconnect that wire at the breaker box, but am unable to pull it out of the wall, do I still need to terminate the unused wire in the same way?

    Yes you do. You cannot bury any boxes or wire ends regardless of whether they are connected to anything or not.

    Not only is this required by code, but doing otherwise would expose you to huge liability. Can you say "fire hazard" ?

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