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    Default So has Amer Standard fixed it's problems?

    I was just about to install an Amer Standard Champion 4 toilet on my brand new tile floor. Figured I should test for a wobble before using the wax ring and sure enough it didn't sit flush to the floor. Returned and tried a second one. That was worse then the first. (floor appears to be fine, second one also wobbles on flat concrete)

    That's when I went on line a found this site. Now after reading all the negative posts I'm a bit concerned about quality of Amer Standard. Last couple posts have said the Champion 4 is a major improvement but not many comments after that.

    Have they fixed their problems with this new unit?

    And, a general toilet question -
    I figure I have to shim the bowl to get rid of the wobble. Is this normal? If I went with the Toto, do they wobble?

    TIA for any info!

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    Forum Admin, Expert Plumber Terry's Avatar
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    I don't know why you would want the Champion.
    One of the hardest toilets I've ever installed.

    You floor may not be flat.
    Some toilets, like the Toto, are made well.

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    Exeter (San Joaquin Valley) Calif.

    Default AS Champion model leaking flush valve

    HELP! I too, have experienced a leaky flush valve. The red ring/gasket had a bubble along one edge and I replaced the red ring, no help. I noted at the OSH (Orchard Supply and Hardware) store here in California has a similiar flush ass'y for the Mansfield toilet. Will it work/fit? Does any after-market parts supplier have a replacement valve? I have 2 units, both installed early 2005, one just started leaking (or I just noticed..) about a month ago. Fiddled with the ring, etc. sealed for a flush or two. Thank heavens we have a fixed water bill (no metering).

    Anyone got any good ideas--dynamite excepted--to fix these things? I really did get rid of my plunger and I can live with the clunk...but the noise of the constantly filling tank is disturbing.


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    Default How do I remove the old flush tower?

    I have read through all the horror stories on flushing and leaks. I am sick to my stomach that I did not do a simple Google search before I bought this toilet. Yet, here I am. Before giving up, I thought I would try one last attempt.

    I have a replacement flush that I would like to install. I am not able to remove the old one. Any ideas.

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    Plumber patrick88's Avatar
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    To replace the flush valve you first need to empty the tank of all the water. I also shop vac the water out. Next you need to remove the tank from the bowl undoing the tank to bowl bolts. Once the tank is off you will see some type of gasket (most of them are gray), if the gasket looks bad i would replace it because it could be the cause of your leak, if it looks good remove the gasket and there will be a large nut on the bottom side of the flush valve. You will need to have a large wrench of some type like really large channel locks. I have cut off the nut in the past if it is brass so i would not break the bowl but newer ones are plastic. Then just read the directions to install the new one. If you can take it apart you will be able to put it back together with no sweat. Good Luck with everything.
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    AMERICAN STANDARD dumpymcgee's Avatar
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    Piscataway, New Jersey

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    Just installed the new one about 2 weeks ago. No problems so far. I did notice they changed the warranty to include all of the inside parts & porcelain for 10 years. Its also quieter than the old one.


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