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    Default can you make this right?

    this is the install of my thermostatic valve, I am having a problem figuring and orienting the shower valve ( that's the one on the bottom of the pic, I included a close up) No matter what I do its seems to point where it wants whjen I get it tight enough to be water tight! Obviously, the shower hose should point down but I can't seem to get it to go any further from that position??? Also the backer board looks like it will be too far in the wall for me to even screww it in that tight once the backer board and tiles are on??? how can get this right??? I was planning to include an elbow at the bottom before the outlet to get it to turn 90 degrees to the right and maybe point down???


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    The hose should come with a rubber seal. Lose the TEFLONŽ Tape.

    TEFLONŽ Tape can be used on tapered threads, but has no use on straight threads.

    What are the specs for the trim to finished wall?
    It should say somewhere.


    No TEFLONŽ tape on the hose joint.
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    Default Terry...

    I'm not having any problem with the hose, but with the hose attachment part : the one coming from the wall!:

    It all has to be pointing down....not sideways like now...so do I turn the brass part so it points down
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    As for the wall specs they should be anywhere from 3/4" to 1 inch in thickness when done. As you can see from the pic ...the hose is oriented the wrong way...it should point straight down not up right! ???? how do I take the guesswork out of the equation?

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    I guess as a plumber I shouldn't point the wrong use of tape on fittings, even though you posted here to see.

    If you want the hose fitting to be a certain direction, you will need to quit turning it that far.
    Since that looks like a tapered thread, where it goes to the drop ear 90 el, you can use less or more thread compond. That might mean less or more tape, if that's what you used. Tape can be used on tapered threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry
    I guess as a plumber I shouldn't point the wrong use of tape on fittings, even though you posted here to see.

    That might mean less or more tape, if that's what you used. Tape can be used on tapered threads.
    I stand corrected on the tape for the hose ....I will remove it....And yes I did use tape on the tapered 90 elbow, is there anything else to use or just more or less tape??


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    How is that connection even legal in a concealed location?


    If you are having trouble with it leaking now I'm sure you'll not find out after it's too late when it starts leaking again.

    Also, when you straighten it up it's going to hard kink that hose. Hose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RUGGED
    How is that connection even legal in a concealed location?


    If you are having trouble with it leaking now I'm sure you'll not find out after it's too late when it starts leaking again.

    Also, when you straighten it up it's going to hard kink that hose. Hose?
    what....legal? concealed??? ok tell me what is wrong before I put the walls up.....of course this is a test fit for when the walls are upo and I have to line up the shower valve the elbow and the hose...that is not going to be concealed! I included the pic of the rough in again showing the volume control knob (square on top) and the hose valve (suqare at the bottom) these will not be hidden in the wall of course.....??? And the hose has to point down!

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    Yes. Concealed, meaning no way to access once it is covered. In KY even though you have a access panel intention, no compression/removable connections behind the wall.

    The theory is the reliability of threaded/compression connections leaking over time and the inability to find the leak when it starts.


    We don't know what state you're in so it's hard to say what is allowable.

    In KY that is a instant fail due to the connections you are using.


    A safer bet would be to pipe that connection in PEX to a shower lug ell with a barbed end, crimp joints at each end and that will solve that issue I'm presenting.

    Check with your local plumbing inspector, the local authority reigns supreme on these matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RUGGED
    A safer bet would be to pipe that connection in PEX to a shower lug ell with a barbed end, crimp joints at each end and that will solve that issue I'm presenting.
    I was told that Pex connections had a greater risk of failure than the ipex and that the new standard here in montreal was indeed the ipex compression (and it costs more, I was about to do the whole thing with pex! until the lad at the plumbing store warned me about the possible failure of the Pex for shower connections????)

    So you are saying I should redo (remove the blue ipex ) and reconnect all of this to pex, crimped all the way??

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    Default I share the same beliefs

    but my recommendation was to get a threaded/removable connection out of the wall.

    My preference is copper.


    Let the others on this site elaborate further with your situation....and it would be great if that person who made the statement about PEX would go into detail for his comments.


    Apparently there must be feedback or quality control issues the plumbers are stating, going back to the supply houses.

    The guy wouldn't of said it otherwise.
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    you got good stuff, Aqua Ipex. (It's from Kitec.) Some people have never seen it. It is good stuff, regardless of what a store staff person told you, no matter how old or experienced the store staff is. You paid more, for a reason, or for several reasons.

    I do know that what you bought is the only Pex-like product approved for installation in commercial and industrial buildings, in Quebec. That includes concrete condo buildings (Even though the building use is residential, the construction standards are higher.) Either that or copper pipe, in those buildings. Low cost Pexes are allowed in owner occupied houses.

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    Default Thank Rugged,

    I'm going to see a plumber now to get to the bottom of this...will keep you posted


    Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by geniescience
    you got good stuff, Aqua Ipex. (It's from Kitec.) Some people have never seen it. It is good stuff, regardless of what a store staff person told you, no matter how old or experienced the store staff is. You paid more, for a reason, or for several reasons.

    I do know that what you bought is the only Pex-like product approved for installation in commercial and industrial buildings, in Quebec. That includes concrete condo buildings (Even though the building use is residential, the construction standards are higher.) Either that or copper pipe, in those buildings. Low cost Pexes are allowed in owner occupied houses.

    David
    So I should leave it then?

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    Default Woah there Nellie!

    Quote Originally Posted by geniescience
    you got good stuff, Aqua Ipex. (It's from Kitec.)
    David

    Isn't this the same product that has a class action lawsuit for defective fittings due to the pipe leaching over brass, causing dezincification? (Las Vegas, Nevada)


    Please elaborate. There is a thread on this site involving 74,000 homes affected where this product is being removed due to defect.




    http://www.terrylove.com/forums/show...ighlight=Kitec
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    no it is not that product, AFAIK, but i don'T work for the company and I won't be investigating this a whole lot today. I did look into it a long time ago.

    David

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