Who is Joe Tedesco?

[geniescience]

His belonging to a couple minor associations does not make him a member of a limited-access profession. These are almost insignificant associations that he belongs to.

"Membership in the International Association of Electrical Inspectors is a great value for a small price" tells you that they'll take almost anyone. Their code of ethics may be non-existent.

Several posts above explain clearly why information in general is a good thing. Where to draw the line is not up to any one person to decide (except a site owner, for each site). It is certainly not up to an unlawul vigilante posing as a professional. You cannot be both a vigilante and a member in good standing in a professional association.

Since Joe Tedesco took action in his field, on behalf of the profession, he is even more liable for disciplinary action than if he were just a vigilante doing something far removed from his profession. His two or three easy-access professional associations might end up kicking him out, suspending him, or issuing a public reprimand. It shows they have teeth, and that their members have self-respect. It brings their association up to a higher level in many ways. Not to take any action, is to lower themselves, in many ways.

I hope this thread gets printed out and mailed to the groups where Joe is a member. His conduct reflects badly on him for years to come. Nobody in the world has a guaranteed right to renew their membership in an association. If he doesn't receive a renewal notice in the mail, he can take it up with the appeals committee, of each group.

David

[Bob NH]

A moderator should only moderate the discussion to keep it within bounds of civility.

A moderator should not use his power to limit disagreements or restrict expression of facts and views of others that are reasonably related to the subject. That is especially important if a moderator has a business interest on one side or the other of an issue.

On the electrical forum there have been a few people who object to comments by those who are not licensed electricians. On Pumps and Wells there has been an effort to disparage persons and professions and threats to restrict the comments of some who hold points of view and offer facts that may differ from others on CSVs.

Moderators should moderate; they should not attempt to direct or limit legitimate discussion even if they disagree with it.

[Cass]

An open letter to Joe T.

Dear Joe T.
In light of recent events I am writing this open letter.

I believe that based on the destructive actions you have taken to this forum and site, you need extensive professional help.

I would guess you are tops in your field but your expertise has or is becoming an obsession.

You feel that not enough has been done to protect people from themselves......so you have appointed your self as a type of public enforcer of sorts. This is not mentally healthy for you.

I am going to guess that you are short in stature, not married or were and are now divorced.

Maybe 1 child.

You have few if any friends and are mostly a loner.

You spend most of your waking time obsessing about people who do not understand you because you know better than they do. This will continue to alter your state of mind / being until you go completely off the deep end and perhaps do harm to someone. You feel you are superior and can't figure out why others don't know or understand that.

This is why you get extremely angry at people who give electrical advice but are, in your opinion only, not qualified to do so.

Your mental health and anger reached a point where your thoughts and intentions caused you to act in a criminal way and damage this web site. This may have been your first step outside the "box".

Your mental health will continue to degrade and your actions, over time, will become more and more erratic, out of control, desperate and dangerous.

There is a good chance you may reach a mentally unstable point where you purposely create an electrical hazard where someone is injured just to prove you are superior and right.

You are in need and should seek professional help immediately before thing get any worse.

[J.Buesking]

Cass I've profiled him the same way. Kinda weird hearing someone else say it.

Joe when you read this don't take it the wrong way but try to better yourself and learn from it.

[sjcrawley]

the last thing that is needed is another person who has a "god" complex. with all due respect who the heck does he think he is. not saying it was joe but who ever it was needs a swift kick in the pants because people like that should not breed.

[Cookie]

I have been reading all the posts about, how one has to have an education in electrical in order to give out information. There are dangers in everything, if you think about it. If the plumber does not install the water heater correctly, it could blow like a rocket. Speaking of rockets, my husband was an Electrical engineer, it was one of his degrees. He had several. My husband taught our boys numerous things when they were small. He taught them, to do electrical work. My boys at age 8 were pulling wire thru things with him, they assembled rockets which impressed and delighted the neighbors, oh, did I mention, he was a " real" rocket scientist, lol, he did electrical for NASA. Before, we got married, we did the electrical together and shot rockets across the rivers. Any river. We had alot of fun. He believed in teaching, instructing, showing, demonstrating anything electrical. He believed that reduced the dangers. Not only in electrical but in anything. Ours sons were shooting 22's when, they were 4 years old. Shooting larger guns at age 8. They grew up knowing the dangers in things, were taught the dangers in things, and, taught the safe ways of doing things.

We had lots and lots of discussions on things in the evening. We are a science family. We talked about things in the evening, like Einsteins theories, and, when, we got on the subject of chaos, the Chaos Theory, I was told--I didn't know what what it was by one son. " OH, but I do, son, I told him----I am demonstrating it by creating it!"

All the bickering here reminds me of those nights. All the chaos which was created without a result. The result should be clearly seen. I will explain it in these words, these questions for you to think about:

Would you rather have your neighbor fixing something electrical by hit or miss. Would you rather have your neighbor, whose house is 200 feet from your own, guess on how to do something as simple as wiring a garage door opener, wiring an outlet, a fan, etc, etc, etc....

OR

Would you rather know who is living next to you, is asking for information HERE, rather than hitting or missing, guessing, asking HD for answers...

Generally as a rule, my friends, the homeowners, the male homeowners are going to give it a try, before spending out there hard-owned money.

Tell me, think about this. For those of you, who so positively think, that NO one but, people like skilled electricians, or rocket scientists should wire anything... I need to ask you, DO YOU call a plumber when, your water heater goes? When, a gas line needs fixed? When, you needed to install a new shut off for the stove? I bet you didn't...

It is far far better to ask questions. And, as I told my students sooo many years ago, " there are no silly, no stupid questions! ONLY those that are not asked."

Just like it is far far better to put a gun in a child's hand and teach him safety and take away that curiosity, it is far far better to WANT, to ENCOURAGE, people, to ask away!

There will always be various answers. That is part of a group mentality. That is always going to happen. With anything. If you get more than 2 people together, you will have a 50% chance of having 2 different answers.

I think people on the average are smarter than most people think they are; therefore, those seeking the answers are able to figure out, what is a good answer and what is not.

Think about it, the next time, you think about what your neighbor is doing next door.

Besides, how do you think anyone started? My husband and I were shooting rockets long before he worked for NASA. Any of you, any of you EE, electricians, plumbers, I don't care what you are, when did you start doing it? Well, before you got that sheepskin, or diploma I bet. The number one thing which usually, happens when someone gets the education, or gets the degree, is that they fail to stay humble.

My husband never lost it. That is what made him so great.

[Rancher]

Cookie,

Thanks!

Amen.

Rancher

[joe in queens]

Joe T is well known in electrical circles, and no doubt is an expert on code. I'm very surprised that he would delete an entire board for reasons we can only guess, and cannot see how that would do it any good.

What is disturbing is the way in which it was done. If someone entrusts you with the priviledge of moderating a highly popular site, you have a greater responsibility than any member or guest. Clearly, that trust was not only broken but abused.

While code is something we must all abide by, it is by no means perfect. A prime example is a kitchen island receptable, which I try to avoid installing whenever possible, because they're so dangerous - for both children and adults. A small child can pull a hot appliance down, and an adult walking by could catch or trip on the cord, also knocking a hot appliance down. But code says a receptable MUST be installed on islands.

Finally, the code is bound to become highly political in the coming years with all the environmental garbage. Already, Title 24 of the California Energy Code requires flouresecent lighting to be installed in kitchens and bathrooms - whether you want it or not. This has nothing to do with safety, and no doubt such regulations will make their way into the NEC.

Joe

[ChuckNJ]

Joe T is well known in electrical circles, and no doubt is an expert on code. I'm very surprised that he would delete an entire board for reasons we can only guess, and cannot see how that would do it any good.

What is disturbing is the way in which it was done. If someone entrusts you with the priviledge of moderating a highly popular site, you have a greater responsibility than any member or guest. Clearly, that trust was not only broken but abused.

Joe

Joe,

This is the 2nd time he has done this. First time was less than a year ago at another forum I participate in. Yes, there is no excuse for why.

Again, I hope that Terry's web manager has some way of backing up the information and restoring the threads. If not, some back-up plan for any future "terrorism" should be set in place.

[brownizs]

I talked to my brother, and he said with MySql, which is used mostly for PHP boards, the only way to create a backup of the database used for the thread files, is to create a database with a name such as (vbullitin(date of backup)), and copy everything from the one database to the other.

Sad thing is, the damage is already done, and some of the postings where good for research. Using web.archive.org, it currently shows 2006 as the latest, with 121 Threads, 756 posts. Problem is, there is no way to look through the older info.

[Dunbar Plumbing]

Had no idea the electrical forum was as large as mentioned. Only frequented it once and BobNH and someone else gave good knowledge of what I was after.

I'm positive of two things:



This electrical forum will build back ten-fold since it got so much attention of other good electricians without a score to settle

AND

The name will have a search engine nightmare soon enough with this ongoing thread and keywords linking through his name.

Can't erase this since the web crawlers archive it and store it in databases that can be picked up for years.

Say it ain't so joe! LOL!

And I'm gonna help out Terry a bit for his hardship.
No such thing as an idle mind with me, heh.

[J.Buesking]

brownizs

With Mysql you can have a scheduled backup run every night or two. You can install a script that will email or copy your database to another folder. You schedule it to run in the middle of the night when forum use is at it's lowest.

[geniescience]

the following is one method I know to get recently deleted information back. It is a manual method working for individual threads or subjects or usernames.

Using the advanced search feature in Google (or I guess any search engine), type in
1. a user name,
2. a keyword or two, that will limit the search to electrical subjects
3. the website name (Google has a field for that so you don't write the web site name in to the general search field, instead you go to that field saying "only return results from the site or domain _________________")

An example of the three elements
-- "Bob NH" (later, try again using jadnashua)
-- breaker or panel or wiring
-- return results from the site or domain terrylove.com

this produces 1,650 and 3,400 results with each of the two usernames above. Too many, because of overlap (both people posted in the same thread) and because some of these threads are in the Remodel Forum or another.

Then, to get a thread (all of it), click on Google's cached version. This will only be valid for a few more days (weeks?), as Google updates its cache all the time.

Copy and paste.

-
David

p.s. Retrieved in Google's cache (Google picked it up on June 14th)

Subject line: Joe Tedesco, Moderator of this Electrical Forum
Body: I will Moderate this forum, and will not permit any messages that are not in the best interests of electrical safety.

Up until now many of the previous answers may have been given to those without the necessary knowledge, experience, and understanding related to being a qualified person.

I will appreciate your cooperation.

Please complete your profile, N/A is of no value, we will need to know who you are and if you are a qualified person.
__________________
Joe Tedesco, Moderator

[Verdeboy]

[QUOTE=geniescience]Subject line: Joe Tedesco, Moderator of this Electrical Forum
Body: I will Moderate this forum, and will not permit any messages that are not in the best interests of electrical safety.

Up until now many of the previous answers may have been given to those without the necessary knowledge, experience, and understanding related to being a qualified person.

I will appreciate your cooperation.

Please complete your profile, N/A is of no value, we will need to know who you are and if you are a qualified person.
__________________
Joe Tedesco, Moderator [/QUOT


"Heil Hitler!"

[HughJazz]

New here to the forum although I have visted Terry's site many times before and read Terry's "Gates Mansion story" quite a while back (read it if you haven't), just discovered the forum.

Thought I'd start in this forum because I know Joe Tedesco and have been the victim of his name calling and personal attacks. Sorry to hear about what happened (he did it before at the JLC forum) and hopefully this gets around before someone else falls victim to his childish behavior.