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    Question Toilets with space for an electric baseboard

    Hi all,

    We'd love to buy a Toto, but if we do so, we'll probably have to remove our electric baseboard, replace our vanity, replace the floor tiles, etc. On top of hiring an electrician... You know the game: the "domino effect".

    Here are our specs:

    ROUGH-IN: 11.25 inches
    We therefore need a toilet for 12" rough-in with at least 3/4" in the back (the part that would touch the wall). Or a toilet for a 10'' rough-in.

    ELECTRIC BASEBOARD: 3'' deep, 6" tall
    (some are 2'' by 4.50'', but their lenght don't fit between toilet and vanity)
    We need at least 3.00-3.25 inches on top of the 3/4" above, for a total of 3.75-4.00 inches, PLUS enough vertical space...

    Our 3 questions are :

    1) Any feedback on the Crane Economiser?
    It seems to fit the bill and it is on Terry's list.


    Toto Dalton
    2) Does the Toto Dalton have this kind of space?
    We'd love a G-max or a Power Gravity, but it won't fit... While the Dalton is on Terry's list despite it is "only" Gravity.

    3) Do you know of any other toilet that would fit and that would be good?
    - Toto Carusoe seems to fit the bill, but I read that it splashes. Is it good despite the fact that it's not on Terry's list?
    - Toto Promenade too, but it might have the same problem (http://www.terrylove.com/forums/show...2272#post22272)
    - Toto Drake, maybe? Too tight, I guess...
    - It doesn't have to be a Toto, any suggestion is welcomed.

    We know that we could use something else to heat the bathroom. But it's always more expensive than an electric baseboard. It would be great to save several hundreds of $ if we can find a toilet that fits our current configuration.

    Thanks!
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    where is its positioning, in relation to the toilet ?? Beside it? Or behind it, under the tank?

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    Default Position of electric baseboard

    Behind the toilet, below the tank.

    I had written "in the back (the part that would touch the wall)", but I forgot to say where it was, horizontally.

    Thanks for asking, geniescience!

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    what is the length available ? You said the ones whose shape is 2"x4.5" are only available in a size too long.

    is this wall an outside wall? Is it extremely well insulated? Have you or anyone verified this? Do you have the option to rebuild this little segment of the wall, slightly thinner than before?

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    Lenght available: yep, we have verified this, the thing is, the toilet is "in sandwich" between the bathtub and the vanity. Extremely close to both.

    Because of this, if we want to replace the electric baseboard with a wall fan heater, we don't have the 8 inches each side of it for it to function well, between the toilet and the vanity. We don't even have 8 extra inches, imagine 16...

    Wall fan heater example: http://www.stelpro.com/en/pdf/RWF_E.pdf

    Smaller electric baseboard: when they're not 6 inches tall, the models with the same strenght as the normal ones have to be longer in order to compensate. We unfortunately don't have this space between the bath and the vanity, below the toilet tank...

    Our current *normal* electric baseboard is actually not strong enough for our bathroom surface. So it would be even worse to replace it with a model that is not 6 inches tall.

    We can live with the current baseboard since this configuration is not forever. One of these days, we'll replace the vanity with a suspended one, and therefore will have enough space for another *normal* electric baseboard, stronger (longer) this time.

    Isolation: no outside wall in the bathroom. But other heating devices are quite far from it. It's in the center of the home, as the kitchen is, and the latter is not heated. So it's a bit cold.

    Thinner wall behind the toilet: That's quite an idea! At first, I thought you meant the whole wall behind the toilet, i.e. from the bottom to the top of wall, like an alcôve for the toilet. Then I realized it could be only for the bottom part. This might work. This might work for a toilet with space below the tank that would not be as deep as 3 inches... So the Toto Dalton might work?

    Other types of heaters

    We could use a convection heater, but we don't have any other bathroom wall available :
    - one is for the bath in its alcôve
    - in front of the alcôve is the door, with no space each side
    - in front of the bath-toilet-vanity wall is a closet hiding the washing machine...

    We could use a heater on the ceiling, but the latter is low (about 7 foot) while we're tall.

    We could use a heater encastred in the bottom of the vanity, but we want to get rid of the latter at some point.

    We could use an infrared heater part of a new ventilator, which works only when you get out of the bathtub, but as I wrote, this part of the home is a bit cold.

    We could use a heater in the floor, but it's expensive, and we'd have to replace the floor. Most importantly, Fiancé doesn't want this type of heating at all. He doesn't even want to discuss this.

    So that's why we *think* that we have 3 choices, heater-wise :

    1) CHEAPEST (no electrician required, less remodeling) : statu quo, and limit our choices to a toilet with space below the tank
    2) Replace the vanity (and the floor since there is not tiles below the vanity) with a suspended vanity and install a new and longer electric baseboard below the vanity instead of below the toilet thank
    3) MORE EXPENSIVE: pick a wall fan heater instead. It would go below the suspended vanity too.

    In other words, unless we want to spend at least 1200 $ for remodeling in order to buy a toilet with no space below the tank, the reasonable route for us would be to pick a good toilet with such space.

    We might do the esthetic remodelling it in the future (a suspended vanity will make our small bathroom look larger), but since this is our first home, we have to reason ourselves a little bit...

    Thank you very much Geniescience for your questions. Maybe another heater solution exists? Probably! And not too expensive?

    Geniescience, dear members, if you own, or have installed, or have repaired, or have heard about the Crane Economiser, or the Toto Dalton (enough space below the tank?), or any other toilet like them, please let us know about it!
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    Maybe I'm wrong here, but it just doesn't seem like a good idea to have a possible water leaking toilet over an electric baseboard heater.

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    Infrared panels can take the place of any available wall space or ceiling. Some of these are hard to tell they are there. Having a heater under the toilet risks cracking it after a few concurrent flushes where it gets filled with really cold water in the winter after sitting there and heating up inbetween uses.

    Have you any room for a towel bar? Considered a heated one? Most don't provide that much heat, but sure makes the toweling off after a bath or shower nicer! Mine only draws 165W, and cycles on and off, so probably doesn't make that much difference in the room temp, but it probably does a little. It probably would stay on longer in a cold room without the insulation of having a towel on it. You could put one on before you go into the shower...
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    Thumbs up Heater below tank vs. infrared or towels heater

    Yeah, I agree with you, mattbee24 and jadnashua:

    a heater below a toilet tank is not a great configuration. But then again: it's been there since 20 years...

    BUT THEN AGAIN: That might explain why we have a white tank above a pink bowl!!!

    Oh my God, how could we not realize there was a link here?!! I can't believe this, thank you so much guys!!

    Sometimes, we don't see the obvious. Gee. I feel ashamed...

    THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS!!

    I think I'll be able to convince Fiancé to do the whole remodel (replace vanity with suspended one, replace heater stupidly placed below toilet tank, replace floor tiles)

    Infrared

    Can they be used all the time, like electric basboards? Or are they used only a few minutes at a time, like a ventilator?

    It's nice to feel warm when we get out of the bath or shower, but we'd like to feel warm also for the other uses of the bathroom. Especially since this room is cold, in our home.

    Towel heater

    Good idea, but no such wall available... Very small bathroom, not much flexibility since it's a condo...
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    Default Other thread about baseboard

    I hadn't noticed this existing thread, since when I started "mine", I didn't know yet the English word for "plinthe électrique". In other words, I had not searched for "baseboard"...

    Here you go: http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2405

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    My sister had some infrared panels in a house a long time ago. they really liked them, and unless someone pointed it out to you, you might not notice them. They get attached to a thermostat and turn themselves on and off as needed. You don't need the actual air temperature as high as you might, just like you can feel warm in the sun on a cooler day.
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