My Tankless Experiment

[frenchie]

Sign up with Paypal, Mark - it's the best thing for E-bay purchases. You can link it to any checking account you want.

[tilemom]

HI- I have a gas Noritz tankless installed in our house...it is in the basement by the garage, vented to the outside. Yes, we have continuous hot water --after sometimes up to 4 mins of waiting for it to arrive ( Brrrr) AND when we all of a sudden have a burst of freezing cold water ( again, Brrr). I had it installed because it seemed like the answer to our problem at Christmas when we have 15 people trying to take showers.

What gives? it has been like this since day one. I had the installer guys come back 3 times...

Noritz has been of no help. Even the shower on the same level as the heater and that is only about 15 feet away has problems.
Any thoughts? I wish that i hadn't gotten rid of the perfectly working gas water heater...

HEEELLLLLLPPPPP!!!!

Memmy

[master plumber mark]

I should use pay pal again, but its nothing but trouble...


TILEMOM

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I would like to hear more about that Nortiz unit and what size it is....

I dont want to critize you or rub your troubles in your face...

just want to hear your story ...what size unit you have, ect....

thank you

[frenchelectrican]

i will like to heard this story as well i am wondering about that too


Mark ,, I am not sure but i just cant pinpoint right but i have a feeling there were no restrictor flow gimzo or the water supply is way too cold for this unit to handle and the other possiblty but until Tilemom can get more info on this unit.

i was thinking that the unit is too small or improply calberated for wrong gas fuel like natural gas vs LPG [ both have diffrent port nozzle size and pressure as well ] but right now i just can't say all of it until we hear from her

Merci , Marc

[tilemom]

I found the booklet and model no.

Noritz model N-063M/ N-063S

on the face plate of the unit is says that the recovery rate is 193 gallons/hour

any thoughts? Oh, propane gas...and I live in NC...the outside temp makes no difference what so ever to the amount of time it takes for the water to get hot.

The guys came out, shortly after installing the unit, and cleaned the valve filter. No change. No other appliances use the propane. I have gas logs, but they are never used. It doesn't make any difference if I open one tap or two or every tap in the house!

I just looked at the receipt...I have had this crazy unit for 2 and 1/2 years. Yikes~!!!

[Cass]

Have they checked the water pressure. It is possible that there is so much water going through the unit it can't keep up.

I found the booklet and model no.

Noritz model N-063M/ N-063S

on the face plate of the unit is says that the recovery rate is 193 gallons/hour

any thoughts? Oh, propane gas...and I live in NC...the outside temp makes no difference what so ever to the amount of time it takes for the water to get hot.

The guys came out, shortly after installing the unit, and cleaned the valve filter. No change. No other appliances use the propane. I have gas logs, but they are never used. It doesn't make any difference if I open one tap or two or every tap in the house!

I just looked at the receipt...I have had this crazy unit for 2 and 1/2 years. Yikes~!!!

[master plumber mark]

I feel I owe it to all the un-suspecting souls out
there to get my butt in gear and at least measure how
much my 75 gallon Brad White heater uses ..

so after about 30 minutes of updateing,,, I got the meter
bought on E- approx cost 89.00

anyone that would pay between 2000 and $ 6500 plus the unit itself to
install an electric or gas tankelss water-heater might find this experiment a
god-send and very helpful....

perhaps I should sell this experiment to be downloaded
like an e-book for the low low price of 3 installments of only 19.95 master card, visa and pay pal accepted...

if they are crazy enough to jump like lemmings and
pay $6500 for junk that they throw away in 2 years,

this information could be
priceless...???

[frenchelectrican]

Mark:

I am thinking you are on the right idea to compare tankless vs the tank water heater on normal useage not the lab tested and i feel it will be better have a unbaised test to prove which will performed better for the "X" amout of fuel to heat up the water for "X" amount of water as well.

let us know how you come out on this one

Merci , Marc

[GrumpyPlumber]

Yeah!
I figured this topic was long gone, have at it Mark.

[tilemom]

Well- I can say that too much water pressure is NOT the problem...perhaps too little is, though...

[master plumber mark]

The Meter should be here soon...

Hooking it up should be a snap....

Now what should I test for???

I am thinking about testing the temp first
mine is about 135

I am thinking about testing the temp comming out at all faucets

I am thinking about takeing a stop watch and
seeing how long it takes to get water to all of the furtherst
faucet in the house...

Going to take softness samples of the water...


I am also considering a "bitch factor"
on a scale from .....one through ten.....

One being totally satisfied with life and no problems


and ten being --get the damn thing out of this house or I am going to divorce your sorry ass


can anyone think of anything else I should factor in here???

[GrumpyPlumber]

Yes, time.
How long it takes for hot water from the tankless opposed to the tank, we know there'll be a longer wait, but how long?

[Dunbar Plumbing]

Run this unit for one year, two years, three years without any maintenance and cleaning of the compartment.


That will be the exact same way the majority of property owners treat their plumbing/water heaters.


The put it in and forget it crowd doesn't disappear just because something fast and easy has come their way.


Also, "act" like that unit just broke. Start the process of calling the mfg. and ask them to help you with it. Tell them that you are NOT a plumber and don't have a clue how to fix it. You're actually being honest because this is the exact same situation that the majority of property owners are in: they are not plumbers and they are not familiar with their new wall gadget.

Ryan Seacrest.................out!

[master plumber mark]

I have already ran the Brad white 75 gallon
gas heater for two years without doing a thing to it
we keep it at 130-135.....

its pretty robust....it sort of makes
the pours open up like a sauna when it hits ya..

it does not cost a dime to put a garden hose in it and blow out some lime that is no big deal to do.....

I probably should check the anode rod.....
but the general public does not do either .......
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IN THE MIDWEST I suppose you could factor in at least one de-limeing with a tankless......

Are their any ideas what is that worth to do the pump , vinegar and
how much time is involved???? $150--$200

I probably will run the test on the Brad White for about
3 months....
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also I got to factor in the incomming water temp going into heater thourgh the winter months.....

Perhaps it would be best to install the Tankless first while the water is still fairley warm.....just to give it half a chance...

I will have to somehow keep it fair

I already have the Nortiz 6.9 but I dont know if it will cut the mustard with a 2 1/2 bathroom house

[GrumpyPlumber]

Mark, other good point...
How many hot fixtures at one time before flow reduces or temp drops.