So I don't know why you are experiencing the issue, unless there are slight differences between models or you have a badly manufactured toilet. But it is clearly not an issue for me.
Thanks for telling me about seeing the Gwyneth. I have to choose soon, hope Terry Love will give us his take on double cyclone and bowl wash. I'm on the East Coast, and I've been quoted a price locally of $469 for a 2-piece Gwyneth ADA elongated in Sedona Beige.
Cadet 3 Pepper Test Video
Last edited by Terry; 09-05-2009 at 05:28 PM. Reason: added video link
So installed a Cadet 3 last night in my home and the tank is pretty loose because of the big thick rubber gasket between the tank and bowl.
Should I keep cranking down? I'm afraid I'll crack the tank! I love that the directions say "don't overtighten" to release them from liability.
Never a good idea to put oil on rubber unless you know it is able to withstand it without disolving...a little liquid soap should work fine.
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Jakeru's trick of lubricating the nut/washers seems like it might be a really good idea although the last time I (not a plumber, but I have installed quite a few toilets) installed a Cadet III I didn't have the difficulty with compressing the washer between the tank and bowl that I have had with every other Cadet III installation (about seven now I think).
I installed one at my Dad's house and now he likes it so much he wants me to install another one.
I think I've already said this before, but I'm very happy with the Cadet III's but I can totally relate to how Terry seems to feel about them. I do enough of this kind of work that it really annoys me if I have to make a special trip to the store and in one of the seven installs the Cadet III quality was low enough that if I had been a professional plumber installing it in somebody's house I would have taken that one back.
But I've never had any of the other problems that people have mentioned here except maybe bad washing action which I've never looked for. Mine have come with Fluidmaster valves that worked fine. I haven't had to replace any of the flappers and I've done exactly zero maintenance on the Cadet III's I've installed over the last two or three years.So 14% you should have returned.
But, I am really aware that this is a small sample over a short time. I'll tell you this, if Terry tells me to buy a Toto and he gives me the extra hundred bucks or so they cost, I'm buying one every time.
Oh, yeah, what did cyborg28 mean when he talked about lined tanks? Apparently he bought his toilet from Lowes and he took it back because the tank wasn't lined. I've never heard of this as an issue. Are some or most tanks lined? I've just never thought about it. It seems like most of the tanks I've seen didn't have a full coating of glazing on the inside of the tank. Maybe this is high end toilet feature (I'm pretty sure I've used a high end toilet somewhere, but I doubt that I've ever worked on one).
Last edited by Terry; 09-21-2009 at 06:20 PM.
If you had a liner (foam) on the inside of the tank it would insulate and stop the sweating.
Now with low flush tanks it does not flush all the water and when it refills the cold water mixes with the existing water in the tank it will not be ice cold anymore and should not sweat.
I almost went with a Cadet, instead I got a Drake II. Sounds like both are good performers but the biggest reason the Drake got the nod was that I wont have to return it because of defects. I'll be installing it myself Superior bowl wash and reliability are the other reasons.
My 2 cents, The cadet 3 is a good toilet, But made in mexico. Quality control seems to be lacking. I work at a resort filled with nothing but briggs model toilets, Not sure what model. We are replacing all bad toilets with cadet 3's and each one flushes somewhat different. Each trapway and siphon jet is slightly shaped different. It has a great flush. Set the water level just right at the mark though, As I found that even alittle more than normal will cause it to flush actually worse. But if I were to buy a toilet it would be a toto, Why? Cause american standard bought out crane and eljer and put many US working familys out of a job just so they could save some money and shipped there manufacturing over to the sweat shops in china and other low wage countrys. Bad desicion on there part. I knew a person that worked for eljer in ford city PA, Almost 90 years this old plant was operating made in the USA fixtures. There later e-force flushing from eljer was horrible but there pro-1 was good and now crane copys it to, CRANE TITAN. Anyway back to toto the toto flushes way better and impresses even more. Every toto I ever seen is exactly the same. No differences at all. Toto is based in georgia too. Kinda like toyota, Yes originally japenese but now they are almost as american as the big 3 or 2 whatever it is now. I was thinking for the longest time that this site was biased, But I actually got to test first hand how a toto performs and I was blown away to say the least, The champion 4 flushes just as good, Expect that nasty flush tower that seems to be a problem.
Last edited by Terry; 10-18-2009 at 11:35 AM.