Type of material affects color too
(instead of creating a new thread, I'll add my question here, if you don't mind, since its title is perfect. :-)
1) Is fireclay china somewhat whiter than regular china?
2) Is acrylic whiter than most regular china?
3) Do acrylic whites vary a lot from a company to another one?
4) Anyone has seen American Standard's Mezzo semi-countertop sink?
Not only whites differ from a company to another one, but the material affects the color too : china vs. enameled vs. acrylic vs. steel vs. fireclay...
Acrylic seems whiter than regular china (like 1% milk) unless the latter is from an European-style company, such as Duravit, Neptune, etc. Their white is blueish.
This is what I sense from pictures, even for items from the same company...
We'll be renovating our bathroom within a couple of weeks, and after months of information research on the Web, most decisions are taken. Now we're down to the esthetic aspect of things. ;-)
Thanks to this awesome forum, we intend to buy a Toto toilet (Ultramax or Carlyle), and already have bought our Delta 1700 series shower-bath, for their reliability.
Since the Toto is such a big investment (it will cost between $650 and $1000, up here in Canada), we have to do things right. So we wonder which white to pick.
The toilet will be a few inches away from an acrylic bathtub (Neptune Daphnee)
Our guess is that Toto's "Cotton white" would be the one to choose.
AMERICAN STANDARD REGULAR CHINA
And besides the toilet there will be a regulard china sink. We'll probably buy one of AS cheapest ones, since it sill be a temporary solution (between 2 and 7 years). So we'd be better off with Toto's "Colonial white".
AMERICAN STANDARD FIRECLAY CHINA
This sink will eventually replaced with our permanent choice, the American Standard's Mezzo sink. It is made of fireclay, which seems whiter than china... on most pictures, that is.
But I've never seen it in person, nor besides acrylic (tub) nor regular china (toilet) on AS pictures.
I base my assumption that fireclay is whiter than AS regular china on most fireclay sinks I've seen. But then again, they usually were high-end, from companies who also can go for the blueish white for their toilets...
I hope that some of you will be able to answer one of our questions. Many thanks for reading this long question and have a great day!
acrylic tubs - all whites the same
the acrylic for tubs comes from a very small number of suppliers, and is the same product used in every mold. AFAIK.
A suite is indeed a solution
Thanks Mike, you're totally right!
Plus we share the same taste: we love Kohler's Memoir suite (actually crazy about its big lavatory, oh my) and Philip Stark's Happy D suite. Absolutely lovely.
Unfortunately, we can't afford any such suite. The Toto toilet will actually be a splurge for us. :-)
Yep, despite the fact that we love beautiful things (who doesn't ;-) we decided to filter the endless choices by asking ourselves tons of down-to-earth questions: do we sit on the tub, do we have the space, do we use the tub more than the shower, etc.
Once the requirements were set, it was BUDGET time. :-)
Stay within 10% of the value of the home, not go too high quality or else when we'll have to sell it will be too different from the rest of the neibourhood, try to pay it quickly, put money aside for our old days, etc.
That's why we'll do our remodel in two steps:
1. Emergencies now (the alcove wall is crumbling, the Crane suite is 20 year-old, pink and chipped, the sink is rusting, the toilet bowl is pink and its tank is white)
2. Beautifying later (vanity, more lights, new floor tiles)
Then, only when an item would meet both things (e.g. ergonomy and $), we could pick a DESIGN.
This is not that interesting, but I'll list below how we picked things in case other people have similar needs.
We couldn't buy something at a big box store (for instance a Crane Peanut) since our tub is stuck into a 5' by 33'' alcove while we're both tall. We we're so relieved that Neptune's Daphnee does fit us.
The Maax Vichy is also very spacious.
So is American Standard Serin, but if one has long legs, he or she won't be able to elongate them (please excuse my English: not my language)
Actually, we don't really like the Daphnee's style. It's pretty, but we prefer simpler lines. So we will buy it without its skirt.
But it is amazingly comfortable. If you sit, there is enough space on the sides for the arms (not the case in the Vichy). If you go into the water, the armrests are comfortable (while the Serin has none and the Vichy felt bad on our elbows).
The skirtless Daphnee is a lot cheaper than a Kohler bath. :-) About CAD 300.
1) For ecological reasons, we wanted to save water, even if we don't pay for it up here (volume-wise).
2) We wanted a good flush despite its 6 L
3) We hoped for beauty since what we see when we enter the bathroom is the bath-shower alcove (in front of the door)... actually *half of it* since the toilet is in front of it! In other words, we see the side of the toilet.
So Toto seems to be it. :-)
We found the handsome Kohler Cimarron at around $100. Its white will go fine with the Toto toilet and Neptune tub. Hurrey!
Mike, thanks for having taken the time to provide your suggestions: it's fun to notice that we share the same eclectic tastes, Memoirs being very classic and Starck so modern. :-)