Price Pfister 3-handle shower leak
This is my first post. Just looking for some insight into my issues. I have an older PF 3 handle valve in my shower, with middle diverter. As far as I know, its original to the house which was built in 1970. I remodeled a year and a half ago, but the valves seemed ok, so I simply replaced the handles with new ones of the same design. The were a crappy vinyl surround that had leaked, so I replaced the sheet rock around and then tiled the whole thing. I didn't disturb the plumbing other than the spout to fill the tub, and I had the old steel tub resurfaced.
Fast forward 1 1/2 years, and I went to do a very mild demo/remodel of the small half bath off my master on the other side of the wall. I found some sheet rock damage behind the old vanity, which happens to back up to the shower, so I pulled it out. I've got some ugly water damage that's been going for a while, as you can stick a screwdriver into the stud in the center as well as the sill at the bottom. I'm thinking/hoping that its simply an old valve such as
At first, I thought it was the body of the valve, but looking closer, its definately coming from the diverter area, although the cold (right side from inside the shower, left side from the other side of the wall) leaks from the handle as well. Stupid me, I should have replaced the valves while I was there, but whattya do.
The wood is certainly an issue to replace, but is do-able, so I'm hoping for some insight on that valve. Is this a common problem? Should I repair this valve issue (is there a risk of it reoccurring shortly down the road), or would I be better off ripping it all out and replacing with another brand/style? I'm no plumber but I can follow instructions, but my brother is handy, and he's a master tile/granite/bathroom guy (owns his company) and he's offered help. Your thoughts?
Bath faucet leaking after stem replacement
I replaced the hot water stem, washer and seat in our bath about a year ago. Several months ago, I noticed the bath faucet was leaking again.
I assumed the leak was from the cold water stem/washer/seat as I had not replaced it. I don't know when it had been replaced, if ever.
When I took the stem out on the cold water side, the washer did look worn out and flared. Also, it had unscrewed itself from the stem.
I took the stem to the local big box store to match it, bought the replacement (price pfister pp-493) and came home and installed it.
The faucet was still leaking.
Just to double-check, I pulled the hot water stem to look at it. The washer seemed liked it was in good condition, but I changed it out anyway. I screwed the stem back in and the faucet was still leaking.
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The water seems to be very warm to hot coming out leading me to believe it's a problem on the hot water side, but maybe both.
I let this leak go for a while due to work constraints, but just now pulled the hot water stem out to check it. Everything seemed to be fine except that the washer had unscrewed itself from the stem. I put the washer back on the stem and tightened it as much as I could.
I used Rectorseal Tplus2 pipe thread sealant on the stem and seat threads.
Any suggestions for troubleshooting further? I'm at a loss. Thank you.
UPDATE: I realized after reading some other threads that the stem needs to be 1/2 way open when removing and installing the stem. I'm thinking that I failed to do this in the past and that is why the washer (and perhaps the seat) was coming unscrewed.
About 20 minutes ago, I opened the hot water faucet and tightened up the stem, then closed the faucet.
I just checked the faucet and now the water is coming out cold. It was previously coming out hot.
I'm thinking the same thing might be happening on the cold water side. Perhaps the seat came unscrewed while removing the stem without having it opened at least 1/2 way.
Also, I noticed some (primarily HJ) recommend replacing these price pfister stem and washers with 1/4 turn ceramic cartridges.
Can anyone tell me the procedure and price for that type of conversion?
Stems, Seats & Washers replaced...
hj and dj2 - thank you for the replies. I did change the seats and washers to new on both hot and cold sides. It is still leaking.
Looks like we may have to go with the ceramic valves. I can't think of what else the problem might be.
hj, you mention using a plumber for ceramic valve install. Just out of curiosity, how could the valve body be damaged on install?
Thanks again for the help.
UPDATE: Damaged "internal web"?
I went to the local plumbing supply and was going to buy the ceramic valves. They were about $38 a piece.
I was talking with the counter guys and also a plumber who was there and they couldn't figure out why the tub faucet would still be dripping after replacing the stems, seats and washers.
The plumber mentioned that he puts beveled washers on the stems when he replaces them. He, as well as the guys at the counter recommend I try that before buying the ceramic valves. So, I bought the beveled washers and installed them. Still dripping same as before.
I came across a comment by hj on another forum @ http://www.****.com/forum/read.php?1,483941
On it he writes when referring to Price Pfister shower valve stem installation problem:
"The worst case scenario, and an unfixable one, would be if you installed the stems 'incorrectly' and damaged the internal web which holds the seat, but that usually results in a bigger leak than a 'drip'."
Ever since I read that, I've been concerned that perhaps I damaged the "internal web" which holds the seat by installing the stem without having the faucet in the open position.
Can anyone tell me more about this "internal web" and how I would know if it is damaged?
Is it brass and, if so, how would it get damaged?
I also see various comments on whether to use any sealant on the seat threads. I did put Tplus2 rectorseal sealant on the seat threads, but can't imagine that would cause the amount of water dripping that I am currently experiencing.
But, please tell me if I am wrong on that assumption.
Thanks again. I really appreciate this forum for its valuable advice.