Toilets with space for an electric baseboard
We'd love to buy a Toto, but if we do so, we'll probably have to remove our electric baseboard, replace our vanity, replace the floor tiles, etc. On top of hiring an electrician... You know the game: the "domino effect". ;)
Here are our specs:
ROUGH-IN: 11.25 inches
We therefore need a toilet for 12" rough-in with at least 3/4" in the back (the part that would touch the wall). Or a toilet for a 10'' rough-in.
ELECTRIC BASEBOARD: 3'' deep, 6" tall
(some are 2'' by 4.50'', but their lenght don't fit between toilet and vanity)
We need at least 3.00-3.25 inches on top of the 3/4" above, for a total of 3.75-4.00 inches, PLUS enough vertical space...
Our 3 questions are :
1) Any feedback on the Crane Economiser?
It seems to fit the bill and it is on Terry's list.
2) Does the Toto Dalton have this kind of space?
We'd love a G-max or a Power Gravity, but it won't fit... While the Dalton is on Terry's list despite it is "only" Gravity.
3) Do you know of any other toilet that would fit and that would be good?
- Toto Carusoe seems to fit the bill, but I read that it splashes. Is it good despite the fact that it's not on Terry's list?
- Toto Promenade too, but it might have the same problem (http://www.terrylove.com/forums/show...2272#post22272)
- Toto Drake, maybe? Too tight, I guess...
- It doesn't have to be a Toto, any suggestion is welcomed. :)
We know that we could use something else to heat the bathroom. But it's always more expensive than an electric baseboard. It would be great to save several hundreds of $ if we can find a toilet that fits our current configuration.
Position of electric baseboard
Behind the toilet, below the tank.
I had written "in the back (the part that would touch the wall)", but I forgot to say where it was, horizontally.
Thanks for asking, geniescience! :o
Heater below tank vs. infrared or towels heater
Yeah, I agree with you, mattbee24 and jadnashua:
a heater below a toilet tank is not a great configuration. But then again: it's been there since 20 years...
BUT THEN AGAIN: That might explain why we have a white tank above a pink bowl!!!
Oh my God, how could we not realize there was a link here?!! I can't believe this, thank you so much guys!!
Sometimes, we don't see the obvious. Gee. I feel ashamed...
THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS!!
I think I'll be able to convince Fiancé to do the whole remodel (replace vanity with suspended one, replace heater stupidly placed below toilet tank, replace floor tiles) :p
Can they be used all the time, like electric basboards? Or are they used only a few minutes at a time, like a ventilator?
It's nice to feel warm when we get out of the bath or shower, but we'd like to feel warm also for the other uses of the bathroom. :o Especially since this room is cold, in our home.
Good idea, but no such wall available... Very small bathroom, not much flexibility since it's a condo... :(
Other thread about baseboard
I hadn't noticed this existing thread, since when I started "mine", I didn't know yet the English word for "plinthe électrique". In other words, I had not searched for "baseboard"...
Here you go: http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2405
Heater choice + tank sweating prevention
Now we have a new concern: we need to pick the proper toilet and-or the proper heater in order to prevent sweat on the tank.
We are torn between the Toto Drake and the Toto Ultimate, which costs about the same up here. And the Drake with an lined tank is really more expensive thant the Ultimate.
Our tank, currently with a baseboard heater right below it, doesn't sweat except in the summer or after a long shower.
It's probably because our bathroom is quite cold in the winter. ;)
As for summer, I guess that simple solutions would be to make sure we use the ventilator while we take a shower, and use the air conditioning.
Now, we have decided to get rid of the electric baseboard which might have caused the tank replacement in the past (no proof of this although).
Since all our walls are taken (small bathroom), our heater choices seem to be:
- a very wall fan heater (http://www.stelpro.com/en/pdf/RWF_E.pdf) between the toilet and the vanity
- infrared heater on the ceiling
We visited our neighbours on Friday and they had replaced their electric baseboard. with a wall fan heater between their toilet and the vanity.
The thing is, their toilet sweats. A lot.
Causes might be multiple, according to posts I've read tonight on the forum:
- the heater is too close to the toilet = condensation
- the heater is between two objects, so heat stays too close to toilet
- their tank might use most of its water when the toilet flush
- they might have taken a shower just before our visit = humidity
- it's winter
- the ventilator is not strong enough or not used often enough
- the flap might need to be adjusted
Two things I'm sure of:
- it's not because the tank contains a lot of water, since they have a one-piece American Standard Champion (6 liters)
- this toilet tank is not lined
Other possible cause:
- they close their bathroom door all the time, since they discovered that their wall fan heater was heating the rest of their home.
They noticed that since they hear their wall fan heater start, while they were used to a silent electric baseboard.
My guess is that the main culprit is the closed door thing, keeping this room too humid.
But the position of the wall fan heater and the fact that the toilet is not lined might add up to the problem.
What do you think?
Maybe I should start a new thread... Sigh.
Exhaust fan, wall fan heater position
We will test our current exhaust fan (which I mistakenly named "ventilator" in my previous posts) and will determine if it's strong enough for our bathroom size.
If it fails, we might replace it with a exhaust fan and light combo, or a exhaust fan and infrared heater combo. :)
WALL FAN HEATER
Now we have to pick our heating device.
Thanks to Geniescience, who guided me with several pertinent questions, I noticed that our current bathroom heater is heating the rest of our home, not the other way around.
So besides correcting the situation outside the bathroom, in the meantime (i.e. upcoming remodelling) we should have a constant source of heating in the bathroom.
The simple route would be to use a wall fan heater, since we'd rather not use infrared for constant heating.
WALL FAN HEATER POSITION
Our last worry is about the position of the wall fan heater. No wall is available, except a very small zone between the toilet and the vanity. We worry because this is the configuration that our neighboors have and their toilet sweats a lot.
I wonder what is the main culprit of my neighboors' toilet sweating:
- wall fan heater close to toilet tank
- heat not circulating well because heater between toilet and vanity
- unlined tank
- too much humidity since they keep their bathroom closed at all times
I suspect it's the last point, but we could pick a lined tank toilet for prevention. :)
Do you, jadnashua and members, think that the wall fan heater position at our neighboors is causing sweating, or if the main culprit is the closed door?
Why talk about heating in this toilet thread
Should I "close" this thread since it's no longer about looking for a toilet that can accomodate an electric baseboard below its tank?
I've been suggested to open a new thread re our bathroom heating problem, and this suggestion makes a lot of sense.
On the other hand, I thought of "staying" in this thread since a good percentage of people with the same question about toilets might also have a small bathroom with no available wall for the heater...