mikkifinn
New Member
Hi...I live in an old (100+ years) row home and need to replace a horrible ProFlo toilet that has had many issues and now runs constantly, despite my plumber's best efforts. When I bought the house 5 years ago, we replaced the existing toilet with this, and it has been a nightmare. (my plumber got talked into it by the Ferguson guys and has been kicking himself ever since, so this time I am making the decision). The floor was already ripped up at that time b/c the sink was moved, but the toilet is in its original spot.
I have done a lot of research (this site has been amazing) and I decided on the Toto Soiree. There have been some issues raised regarding installation. One supplier told me that unless I had new construction, or my bathroom was already gutted, it would not work for me b/c the Toto specs were 8" from the water valve. My valve is 6". He claims he has had many returns on it b/c it won't fit. I had read about the Soiree on here & elsewhere, and I never saw that anyone had to gut their bathroom to make it work. I found the posts on here by Terry about the Soiree working with a 5 1/2 " distance, and he eventually deferred to that.
However, I have these copper pipes that run behind my toilet, and cannot be moved or hidden in any way. It was a flaw when I bought the house, but I have no real choice but to work around it, since my plumber said he couldn't move them b/c of grading. They are about 3/4" thick & run directly behind the toilet. It has not been an issue b/c there is plenty of room with the current toilet, but the Soiree goes way back, and it appears it must be installed flush to the wall. I have a true 12" rough-in, and now the issue is whether this will work b/c of the pipes. I have a photo & will try to post it. The pipes are 4 1/2" & 7" from the floor, respectively. If the Soiree has to be flush to the wall, it seems it won't fit. Is there any way it would? Obviously, I don't want to get it & have it not fit, but I am really disappointed.
So, if it absolutely won't fit, here is what I was thinking for Plan B.
- The supplier is telling me to go with Inax. I want a skirted bowl, and he says they are as good or better than Toto, just not as well known. They are cut out more in the back, so the pipes should not be any issue at all. I was considering the Rio Grande with the uni-flush as an alternative. (I don't like dual flush). I am a little hesitant since it is more of an unknown quantity, and of course, not as stylish as the Soiree.
- American Standard Cadet 3 has a skirted bowl model, and seems to get good reviews. Is Japanese really better? They also have the Boulevard & the Town Square, which are more expensive. They all have higher MaP ratings than Toto & Inax, which confuses me.
- finally, Toto has a relatively new model, the Connolly, which, unlike all the other skirted Totos, appears to be cut away in the back. I kind of like the Nexxus, too, but I can't tell from the photos if the back has the same issue as the Soiree. Also, is it as powerful?
So, to recap, I have 6" on the water valve, a true 12" rough-in, and the pipe issue.
I want a skirted bowl, powerful flush, which is not a dual, and ideally a large water spot, since I don't want a skid issue (another problem with the ProFlo). If the Soiree won't fit, what do you think my next best option is?
Thank you so much!
I have done a lot of research (this site has been amazing) and I decided on the Toto Soiree. There have been some issues raised regarding installation. One supplier told me that unless I had new construction, or my bathroom was already gutted, it would not work for me b/c the Toto specs were 8" from the water valve. My valve is 6". He claims he has had many returns on it b/c it won't fit. I had read about the Soiree on here & elsewhere, and I never saw that anyone had to gut their bathroom to make it work. I found the posts on here by Terry about the Soiree working with a 5 1/2 " distance, and he eventually deferred to that.
However, I have these copper pipes that run behind my toilet, and cannot be moved or hidden in any way. It was a flaw when I bought the house, but I have no real choice but to work around it, since my plumber said he couldn't move them b/c of grading. They are about 3/4" thick & run directly behind the toilet. It has not been an issue b/c there is plenty of room with the current toilet, but the Soiree goes way back, and it appears it must be installed flush to the wall. I have a true 12" rough-in, and now the issue is whether this will work b/c of the pipes. I have a photo & will try to post it. The pipes are 4 1/2" & 7" from the floor, respectively. If the Soiree has to be flush to the wall, it seems it won't fit. Is there any way it would? Obviously, I don't want to get it & have it not fit, but I am really disappointed.
So, if it absolutely won't fit, here is what I was thinking for Plan B.
- The supplier is telling me to go with Inax. I want a skirted bowl, and he says they are as good or better than Toto, just not as well known. They are cut out more in the back, so the pipes should not be any issue at all. I was considering the Rio Grande with the uni-flush as an alternative. (I don't like dual flush). I am a little hesitant since it is more of an unknown quantity, and of course, not as stylish as the Soiree.
- American Standard Cadet 3 has a skirted bowl model, and seems to get good reviews. Is Japanese really better? They also have the Boulevard & the Town Square, which are more expensive. They all have higher MaP ratings than Toto & Inax, which confuses me.
- finally, Toto has a relatively new model, the Connolly, which, unlike all the other skirted Totos, appears to be cut away in the back. I kind of like the Nexxus, too, but I can't tell from the photos if the back has the same issue as the Soiree. Also, is it as powerful?
So, to recap, I have 6" on the water valve, a true 12" rough-in, and the pipe issue.
I want a skirted bowl, powerful flush, which is not a dual, and ideally a large water spot, since I don't want a skid issue (another problem with the ProFlo). If the Soiree won't fit, what do you think my next best option is?
Thank you so much!