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Reader Review
07-12-2006, 02:27 PM
We have now had a Caroma toilet for about 3 years. I am pleased that I am using an environmentally sound product, but agree with a previous post that there is a learning curve to target BM's directly over the small and distant pool of water at the bottom of the bowl. Adults catch on quickly, but my 10 year old daughter either lacks the physical prowess or understanding of the principle involved to achieve 'direct hits' leading to very messy bowls. Unfortunately, it is in the children's bathroom. Guests also are unaware of the technique involved and I do not make it a habit to give out specific instructions, leaving them with some embarrassment and me with more cleaning! I would not have purchased this toilet had I known the drawbacks. Surely Caroma is aware of this problem and is working on a feasible solution. I recently noted my local Supermarket had a Caroma toilet in their public washroom and I can't even begin to imagine the mess - I don't think it will last long.

Meggie
British Columbia, Canada

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http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/sydney_on_tile.jpg

dirk Vissers
02-06-2007, 10:32 AM
After a testing period off 3 months and 6 different toilets ,we decided to go with Coroma tasman 270 for 50 suites.
First thing Housekeeping has to be a little more alert.
But no other problems after 2 years with 50 toilets in a busy Hotel, I believe we proved here that they have a good product.
Toto we use in other suites where we have no room for coroma (banjo Top).
Again a good product , but her we have to go and help and do the pluch.
Western and Crane we removed after the test periode.

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Cass
02-06-2007, 02:27 PM
Can you recall if you have had any Coromas or Totos back up / clog up on you?

Mike50
02-10-2007, 04:58 PM
After a testing period off 3 months and 6 different toilets ,we decided to go with Coroma tasman 270 for 50 suites.
First thing Housekeeping has to be a little more alert.
But no other problems after 2 years with 50 toilets in a busy Hotel, I believe we proved here that they have a good product.
Toto we use in other suites where we have no room for coroma (banjo Top).
Again a good product , but her we have to go and help and do the pluch.
Western and Crane we removed after the test periode.

Hi Dirk,
Curious if you can share elaborate any further about the test results.
Caroma & Toto.
Interested in Aquia in particular.

thanks,

Mike

dirk Vissers
02-18-2007, 06:59 PM
Mike,
The utility bill in the Hotel whent down big time.
We keep installing them in the other rooms and the newer one piece Caravelle has way less problems with the strike problems and the look is more Classy.
So far we had a maybe two are three clog up problems and this over the so far installed +-65 toilets.Again in a busy family hotel , where cleaness is VERY IMPORTAND.
The ToTo +-25 installed, here we have more problems with Clog up. BUt not like the old AS - Crane 20L.
Both Toilets No Back ups.
A lot of guest even required information,over the coroma.
Ciao
If more question, just ask
D.:)

Mike50
02-19-2007, 10:28 AM
Mike,
The utility bill in the Hotel whent down big time.
We keep installing them in the other rooms and the newer one piece Caravelle has way less problems with the strike problems and the look is more Classy.
So far we had a maybe two are three clog up problems and this over the so far installed +-65 toilets.Again in a busy family hotel , where cleaness is VERY IMPORTAND.
The ToTo +-25 installed, here we have more problems with Clog up. BUt not like the old AS - Crane 20L.
Both Toilets No Back ups.
A lot of guest even required information,over the coroma.
Ciao
If more question, just ask
D.:)

I think that people like you set an example to begin changing bathroom habits of the public.
As I've said before changing life long behaviour is a more complex problem than simply a technology switch/upgrade.

Human nature is that we want the current generation of dual flushers to work just as efficiently
100% of the time as traditional models.
THAT is a pretty tall order for any New product.

I also have experienced a meaningful water bill decline.
It's a win-win. Saving money and conserving water.

I am still curious about how your guests find out about the dual flush feature and their reactions/comments.

Mike

dirk Vissers
02-19-2007, 02:40 PM
I think that people like you set an example to begin changing bathroom habits of the public.
As I've said before changing life long behaviour is a more complex problem than simply a technology switch/upgrade.

Human nature is that we want the current generation of dual flushers to work just as efficiently
100% of the time as traditional models.
THAT is a pretty tall order for any New product.

I also have experienced a meaningful water bill decline.
It's a win-win. Saving money and conserving water.

I am still curious about how your guests find out about the dual flush feature and their reactions/comments.

Mike

Mike,
I have to admid that convincing the owner and General Manager was not easy, (i'm maintenance manager). ones they give me a change to prove that this workes and not only on paper, and from the moment the saw results everyone was/is supportive and very pleased with this.
Guest adapt very quick, we have very rare comments about not finding the flush handle, when they first use the Toilet but they figger it out very quickly,
Habbits do change. :)
For travellers from Europe it even easer because the are use to it and are happy to see that we do something to help the enviroment.
Another extra is the skirted look : less dirt corners etc.
Ciao
D.

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AL_2007
03-03-2007, 06:47 PM
I am considering installing one of these dual flush toilets. This is mainly to save water as well as to stop overflooding my drain field.
My question is do I need to install both bowl and tank, or is it possible to install the tank on my existing American Standard 1.6 gpf bowl?
On the Caroma website, they do sell the tank on its own but they say a Caroma bowl is recommended. I am not sure if there is any series compatibility problem.

Cass
03-04-2007, 02:02 AM
Get the bowl also as the bowl is designed to work in conjunction with the tank. I have installed many and they are great toilets the 1 draw back is they have a small water spot.

I installed 7 in my church and we haven't had 1 clog in 3 years. You can even flush solids with the 1/2 flush.

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/caroma_305_horn.jpg

AL_2007
03-04-2007, 10:28 AM
Get the bowl also as the bowl is designed to work in conjunction with the tank. I have installed many and they are great toilets the 1 draw back is they have a small water spot.

I installed 7 in my church and we haven't had 1 clog in 3 years. You can even flush solids with the 1/2 flush.

Thanks for the advise. I would have to do that (if I could get the wife to approve the bill!). I've just been doing some measurement and it looks like the distance between the two connecting bolts of the tank to the seat are not the same when comparing the American Standard with this model. So a complete set of bowl and tank is necessary.

I've just been to the local Home Depot and Lowes and both of them do not have any dual flush toilets! I guess its due to lack of demand for such water saving toilets. What a shame.

dirk Vissers
03-04-2007, 09:36 PM
I am considering installing one of these dual flush toilets. This is mainly to save water as well as to stop overflooding my drain field.
My question is do I need to install both bowl and tank, or is it possible to install the tank on my existing American Standard 1.6 gpf bowl?
On the Caroma website, they do sell the tank on its own but they say a Caroma bowl is recommended. I am not sure if there is any series compatibility problem.

Get the whole unit it will really works the best , because there are design that way and the look good at te same time
D:)

AL_2007
03-05-2007, 05:54 AM
Get the whole unit it will really works the best , because there are design that way and the look good at te same time
D:)

Yeah, I figured that out after seeing the video on the Caroma website. Apparently the bowl is different than the American ones and it has a much bigger diameter trap.

dirk Vissers
03-05-2007, 08:11 PM
Yeah, I figured that out after seeing the video on the Caroma website. Apparently the bowl is different than the American ones and it has a much bigger diameter trap.

Enjoy them , They really work!
D:)

dantheman
06-06-2007, 07:31 PM
We've had a Caravell in our house nearly two years, and my housemates that use it complain about the clunky feel to the flush button. It also doesn't seem to work well on the half-flush often, and they are double flushing. And they are green hippie types ;-).

I'm about ready to have a plumber come look at it to see if there is something wrong with it.. but at $80 an hour, I could get a new Toto for a few hours of a service call.

tonykarns
06-07-2007, 02:05 AM
I think the idea of low volume flush toilets, 1.6 or less is a good idea for water conservation purposes but in our neck of the woods (milwaukee wisconsin) they create nothing but trouble on lake front homes built before 1960. Drainage systems were designed with low pitch 5" clay and or cast iron piping which were built for 3.5 gallon or higher flush toilets. Sure the new toilets may force the solids out of the bowl quickly and reliably but when it comes to getting the solids to the street with one, two, or three flushes on the long runs forget it. The solids, on a steady basis, build up in the pipe and cause back up problems because the new toilets just dont produce enough water to move the solids at a steady enough rate to keep the systems from backing up on occasion. Even though this produces a steady income for me, snaking out drain systems, it is a nightmare for many home owners. Old 3.5 gallon flush toilets are worth their weight in gold in this area even though they are illegal to install and I wont install them. The homeowners dont care about the cost of their water in this area compared to the cost of having me come out to unclog drain systems. Point is: low water volume may be good if you have alot of people using many toilets on the same drainage system but when it comes to older homes they can cause more problems than they are worth. When people have to flush the toilet 3 times just to keep things moving where does the water conservation factor come in? Be careful on older homes and dont be so quick to change out older 3.5 gallon flush toilets unless the homeowner is aware of the potential results. Add one tampax to the equation and the lack of forceful volume of water creates an even better income for me.

Cass
06-07-2007, 03:30 AM
There must be other factors as 3.5 probably isn't going to get it to the street on a long run anyway.

The showers / tub, kitchen sink and laundry water will.

I live in an area where there are plenty of 6, 5, and 4" clay lines and there are no problems with low volume toilets clogging the lines unless they were installed wrong, roots or broken.

Ec5
06-11-2007, 02:39 PM
Gotta love those Aussies. Hardly any water in the bowl. How weird!

I now line the bowl with about 9 squares of T.P.(3 vertical rows of 3 squares each-covering the hole and sides), and haven't had to clean since (maybe I just have good targeting powers).

I love the way the low flush only takes about 15 seconds for the water noise to stop (about 30 seconds for full flush). However, I need to be a little more forceful when pressing the low flush button, so that it goes down far enough to flush properly, although I'm used to it now (height of flush buttons can also be adjusted with a screwdriver, from inside the tank, if needed).

Also, I found the regular seat very uncomfortable (it also didn't sit flat on the bowl, on the front underside feet; unless I loosened the wingnuts fully). Either way, it's the worst seat I've ever used and can't believe it's not flatter! Ouch!!

I got tired of having the oddly angled edges of the seat dig into my legs (causing red lines), and simply changed to a flat oak seat. No more pain now!

Other than occasionally not pushing the low flush button, far enough down, (causing no paper to be flushed-even the installer failed to push it down far enough, at first), the awful seat and the extra lining of the bowl with T.P., I have no other complaints.

Reader Review
01-23-2008, 03:08 PM
We've had our Caroma for over a year now and have sporadically had problems with the valve not seating after both half- and full-flushes. We have jiggled the innards to try to realign them and end up most times removing the tank lid and pushing the center piece down so the valve seats. Sometimes the problem will resolve itself, for a while, then reoccur. At one point we sprayed vegetable oil on the sliding mechanisms and that worked for a while, but then mold grew on the plastic parts. No one else seems to have this problem. What is the solution?
M. Wall


http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/sydney_inside_tank.jpg
Inside the Caroma Sydney tank

Reader Review
06-22-2008, 09:56 AM
Hi Terry,
I have a question about purchasing a new toilet. Our existing toilet constantly needs plunging. Our daughters BM is rather large in diameter and doesn't seem to go down. I'm tossed between the Toto drake, Gerber ultra flush, and the Kohler cemmaron. The toilet that I want to replace is on the second floor of our home and I'm not sure what model I currently have. Probably just your basic toilet from when they built the home. I would like a toilet that would never need plunging again. I went to a Toto distributor and watched how the G-Max system works. I'm wondering if it has enough power to suck down my daughters BM. What are your thoughts? Does it make a difference if the BM is larger than the trap?
Please help, I'm tired of plunging! Although, I have become quite good at it, It is getting old.
Thank you,
Catherine
March 24 2008

For your daughter, I would get a Caroma
www.caromausa.com (http://www.caromausa.com/)

The Kohler would be worthless, and the Gerber and the Toto better.
But for larger than normal, go with Caroma.
www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm (http://www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm)

Terry,
Thank you for the recommendation. I purchased the Caroma and we are very pleased. I have not had to plunge since.

Thank you,
Catherine
June 22 2008

Reader Review
06-24-2008, 04:58 PM
I got a new Caroma 305 with dual flush from the water company here in San Antonio,Tx. I was wondering if there was any way to increase the water level in the bowl. I am disappointed in the #2 flush and have to use my toilet brush quite often.
Thanks,
Patty :(

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/caroma_305_bowl.jpg

jadnashua
06-24-2008, 05:36 PM
Buy a different toilet! No, unless the thing is not working right, the bowl is overfilled....it has an opening behind you can't see that drains any water above the maximum down the drain. If you pour a bucket of water in the bowl (pour it too fast and it will flush), then let it sit, that's the maximum level it can get.



Many dual flush bowls, like the Caroma, Kohler Persuade, and the Toto Aquia have little water in the bowl. That's the nature of them. The Caroma glaze seems a bit rough though, Terry

Brandy
07-10-2008, 11:35 AM
Does anyone have an opinion about which is a better toilet - the Toto Aquia or the Caroma Caravell?

Terry
07-10-2008, 12:05 PM
The Aquia is better.

TomMyers
10-03-2008, 01:32 PM
I am torn. I can get the Toto Aquilla locally, but have to have the Caroma shipped in.

My wishes/needs are:
- ADA height (17-18") for easy elderly access
- Bisque (or Biscuit) color
- Dual Flush
- Does not require cleaning after every BM.
- Less likely to clog.

My research leads me to the Sydney 270, but am not sure about the "cleaning after BM" issues with it compared to the Aquilla.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Cass
10-04-2008, 04:33 AM
If your BM is excessively large go with the Caroma. Its trap way is large enough to not clog.

Like one of my customers said...WoW I can cancel my trash pick up and flush every thing down this toilet...


http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/caroma_305_horn.jpg

kf
12-03-2008, 05:58 PM
Hi Terry,
Which Aquia are referring to? On your order site your pull down menu for the Aquias has the Aquia II as an option. What are the differences between the two? Thanks...

Terry
12-03-2008, 06:06 PM
The Aquia CST414M has the larger adapter, and a bit better MaP score. Also takes a little more time to install than the CST416M and the CST464MF

Other than that, they work pretty much the same, the CST464MF has the taller bowl at 16-1/8"

The other two are 15-1/8"

Reader Review
03-18-2009, 07:06 PM
We recently bought the Caroma Sydney 2 pcs. (Tank 622322W, Bowl 609159W). After we installed the toilet, we encountered problems with the flush. As you can see in my video http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1855798188535347905 (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1855798188535347905) from the internet, with every flush the water will splash up everywhere on the seat and cover. When there is a number 2, there are shit droplets on the seat, very disgusting.

We contacted the company with no response. Could you tell me how to fix my problem?

cslee

Probedude
03-18-2009, 10:41 PM
We recently bought the Caroma Sydney 2 pcs. (Tank 622322W, Bowl 609159W). After we installed the toilet, we encountered problems with the flush. As you can see in my video http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1855798188535347905 (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1855798188535347905) from the internet, with every flush the water will splash up everywhere on the seat and cover. When there is a number 2, there are shit droplets on the seat, very disgusting.

We contacted the company with no response. Could you tell me how to fix my problem?

cslee

I've looked at a few Caroma videos on YouTube and they all look like they do the same. All the water dumps from the rim, none of it below the water surface.

Neotonic
03-27-2009, 08:33 PM
I've looked at a few Caroma videos on YouTube and they all look like they do the same. All the water dumps from the rim, none of it below the water surface.

I bet 2 of thoes videos were mine ;)

Terry
04-22-2009, 08:08 PM
http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/sydney_on_tile.jpg
The Caroma Sydney comfort height round 270 bowl

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/sydney_side.jpg
The side of the 270 bowl

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/sydney_angle.jpg
Where the seat attaches

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/sydney_bowl_tile.jpg
Like many dual flush toilets, there isn't much water in the bowl.

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Terry
04-22-2009, 08:12 PM
http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/caroma_adapter.jpg
The 270 bowl uses an offset adapter so you can adjust the rough-in from 12" to 10"

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/caroma_270_underneath.jpg
Underneath the Caroma 270 bowl.
http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/sydney_inside_tank.jpg
Inside the Caroma Sydney tank

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/sydney_buttons.jpg
Dual Flush buttons

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caroma-305
12-20-2009, 04:34 PM
installed CAROMA 305 DUAL FLUSH few days back.

one bigggg issue is , the "water level" in the BOWL (not the tank), is so low, the porcelain gets dirty, and requires cleaning,

the "water" filled matches the "water level marker" in the TANK.

the 'three' tower like components are so complicated for me to understand, and very flimsy.

any way out , to increase the water-level in the bOWL.

please help

jadnashua
12-20-2009, 05:38 PM
Normally, no. If for some reason the fill valve is not working properly, in theory it is possible.

Take a bucket of water. Slowly pour it into the bowl. Let it sit for a minute or so, then check the level. If it goes up and stays up, it's a fill valve issue. If it won't stay up any higher, that's just the way that toilet is designed, nothing you can do about it except replace it with a different model.

Note, the dual-flush toilets can't have all that much in the bowl, because even on a low flush, it still needs to evacuate the entire amount, and refill. To keep the volume down, they can't have all that much in the bowl.

Terry
12-20-2009, 05:45 PM
The Caroma has very little water in the bowl,
and they stay dirty.

But that has been commented on before.
I don't sell very many of the Caroma anymore.

How do you like the droplets of water on the seat when you flush it?
That's a nice bonus too.

Gary Swart
12-20-2009, 06:48 PM
The water level (aka water spot) in the bowl of any toilet is determined by the construction of the internal trap and is not adjustable. One of the things I really like about my Toto Dartmouth and Toto Drake is the large water spot.

Runs with bison
12-20-2009, 08:50 PM
Yep, I like the way Toto designed the wide but shallow waterspot. The problem being described with the Caroma is one of two reasons I decided against them. (The other was the potential for spraying material out of the bowl as I've seen in a vid.)

caroma-305
12-21-2009, 03:31 AM
The water level (aka water spot) in the bowl of any toilet is determined by the construction of the internal trap and is not adjustable. One of the things I really like about my Toto Dartmouth and Toto Drake is the large water spot.

thanks for the info, What model of DRAKE do you recommend.

caroma-305
12-21-2009, 03:39 AM
, nothing you can do about it except replace it with a different model.
.

thank you for the info. Its only 3 days old, will local-hardware store take it back, and replace it for TOTO models. (iam hesitant to do this, but iam dissatisfied with the product)

Cass
12-21-2009, 05:01 AM
Call and ask about it....they may take it back...

Runs with bison
12-21-2009, 08:37 AM
thank you for the info. Its only 3 days old, will local-hardware store take it back, and replace it for TOTO models. (iam hesitant to do this, but iam dissatisfied with the product)

My guess is that they won't actually carry Toto or their prices might be out of line if they custom order these. I would see if I could just return it for refund even if I had to take a "restocking charge" for it. For Toto's you often will need to call local plumbing supply houses for pricing. You might be able to forego freight costs by allowing delivery with their standard distribution runs.

Since you went with dual flush I assume you will want an EcoDrake model (1.28 gpf) rather than the older standard 1.6 gpf tank. I suggest adding the Sanagloss option for the cleanest possible bowl (I debated this and went with at, supply house only charged something like $20 extra for it.) Choose ADA or standard height, elongated or round according to your preferences.

You can either get the standard bowl rinse Drake or the double cyclone Drake II. I have not ever used the double cyclone so I have no comparison.

Terry
12-21-2009, 09:45 AM
To be fair about the Caroma, and Cass knows this too, they don't plug.
They are from Australia, where water is critical.

In order to maintain a dual flush, there is very little water in the bowl,
The Toto Aquia dual flush has very little water too, as do almost all other dual flush toilets.

The Aquia does stay a bit cleaner, but for what it is, the Caroma works as advertised.
I sold dozens of the Caroma 305's to the National Park Service.
I do like the Drake models though by Toto, and the Aquia, which has been very good.

For some people with medical problems, the Caroma my be the only solution. The trapway on the Caroma is the largest on the market.

Most modern bowls do very well with a 2" trapway.

caroma-305
12-22-2009, 12:31 PM
thank you very much. appreciate the inputs.

caroma-305
02-27-2010, 12:09 PM
quick update.

Found a way out , to keep the porcelain clean,

Before using the toilet , we flush it, (the Min-Flush) , drop folded toilet-papers around the porcelain wall

this sure a inconvenience, but keeps the porcelain clean & prevents he after-work with the brush ;-)

water savings , with little pre-work !!! (PS: not a good toilet for guest-bathroom... no way)

thank you.

lazypineapple
03-04-2010, 06:28 AM
I notice that most toto's have a 2-1/8 trap some have a larger trap.. 2-7/16
is the larger traps much better flusher ?
looking for a 2 piece great flusher,
a certain 90 pound family member and jam a toilet. dangest thing i ever seen, and Im not talking with paper.
thanks

Terry
03-04-2010, 07:16 AM
If you family member is part of the top 1% that plugs a 2" trapway,
Then pick up a Caroma toilet (http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?7750-Caroma-Dual-Flush-watersense-toilet-review&highlight=caroma%20review).

The trapway is 3"

lazypineapple
03-04-2010, 10:15 AM
Thanks for the reply, but after reading reviews here. I not sure this would be a good choice , for them.
I should have mentioned, this would be used by elderly people..and being old skool. and techniqe changes ,I might not have a happy Parent.
so what would the second choice ?

jadnashua
03-04-2010, 12:30 PM
If, either because of diet, medications, or who knows, a person produces huge, hard stools, then the larger trapway of the Caroma (http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?7750-Caroma-Dual-Flush-watersense-toilet-review&highlight=caroma%20review) can handle it better than the others that are available because of the size. For more normal people, any of the Totos is hard to clog. Nothing's impossible, but they are much better than the norm. If their current toielt is clogging because it is a lousy toilet, a Toto will resolve that. If it is because of medical problems, you choice is a stick to break it apart before flushing, or a Caroma. ANd, even then, it might be possible to clog if you used enough paper, but doubtful.

chrisf8657
03-04-2010, 01:32 PM
If, either because of diet, medications, or who knows, a person produces huge, hard stools, then the larger trapway of the Caroma can handle it better than the others that are available because of the size. For more normal people, any of the Totos is hard to clog. Nothing's impossible, but they are much better than the norm. If their current toielt is clogging because it is a lousy toilet, a Toto will resolve that. If it is because of medical problems, you choice is a stick to break it apart before flushing, or a Caroma. ANd, even then, it might be possible to clog if you used enough paper, but doubtful.

jadnashua's right, I used to get a bunch of paint stir sticks out of Home Depot everytime I had to break the big ones up. The Cadet 3 EL Flowise I have, and Toto Drakes, are difficult to clog, I havent clogged mine yet, though I could easily with my old '82 Kilgore. Never heard of a Caroma (http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?7750-Caroma-Dual-Flush-watersense-toilet-review&highlight=caroma%20review), though.
My review:

http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?35061-Review-Cadet-3-EL-Flowise-Toilet

Pipefitter
03-05-2010, 01:55 PM
We had our Caroma Caravelle toilets, 2 of them, installed about 2 years ago. For the first year or so they worked without a problem, however , lately the flush water seals need periodic cleaning and the "stainless" metal parts are rusting. I don't believe that the our local water treatments can be corrosive enough to do this, but I can't find and other reason for this occurrance. Secondly, I talked to the local Caroma rep regarding the seat problems and she told me that it was normal to have the seats cleaned every "couple of years". I am wondering if the seals could be degrading from exposure to water treatment chemicals as well. If the flush water seats aren't functioning properly, the toilet is no longer a water saving toilet. Has anyone else encountered this and is there a resonable fix to these 2 problems?

Reader Review
11-22-2010, 03:52 PM
Terry,

I recently replaced my inefficient toilet with a Caroma Bondi 270 Easy Height Elongated toilet. I wish I could say I am completely happy with it, but I can’t.

The three-liter flush leaves behind the toilet paper most of the time, and the “water” that is left doesn’t look as clean and clear as it should (water from the tank is clean and clear). The six-liter flush won’t completely eliminate solid waste most of the time. There is usually a small amount of something floating on top of the water, sitting on the bottom of the bowl, or both. I am not impressed, and my guests are even less impressed. Another half-flush usually solves both problems, which only partially fulfils the reason I changed toilets. For over $400 (Cdn) I expect better performance. Also, it puts into question the reliability of the MAP data (Bondi is rated at 900 grams), at least from my point of view.

Bob W
Brandon, MB Canada

Reader Review
11-22-2010, 03:58 PM
We bought a brand new house 2 years ago and it came with the dual flush Caroma. It is great except that after 2 years of use, it leaks. Both of our toilets leaked after 2 years of install. Repair is costly. Given the chance, wont do it again.


M&E

TWEAK
11-23-2010, 10:25 PM
My only experience with a Caroma was in a hotel in Oceanside, CA. Great looking toilet, I really like the styling -- and a powerful flush. However, it has two flaws that, for me, rule it out. The first is that the water level is just WAY too low, and the bowl wash effect isn't good. The bowl gets messy. I have *zero* desire to brush the toilet after every use... and lining the bowl with paper just sounds silly. The other problem is that if you flush while still seated, you are quite likely to have some of your male anatomy involved. Including some splash? Not so good.

I recently put in a Toto Guinevere. While I was mildly disappointed with the styling of the skirt, IMO it's overall a much, much better functional design than the Caroma. It has a good, high water level (Guinevere is a single flush - dual flush often has low water level), strong enough flush, and the cyclone system ( or whatever they call it) washes the bowl pretty well and doesn't splash a lot.

dgrubb109
03-25-2011, 11:25 AM
Does anyone know about the Caroma Sydney Toilets - 305/270? I know they are different than the standard toilets, and are made in Australia. They are also offering very good rebates in the city where my house is located. However some of the plumbers I have spoken with do not recommend them, while others say they are okay. Pros and Cons anyone?

jadnashua
03-25-2011, 03:23 PM
Caromas may be the only choice for a very small percentage of people that for some reason produce large/long/hard stools. Other that that, they aren't the best toilet out there. They have their place, as they are essentially one of very few toilets with a 3" trapway. Most toilets doe quite well with smaller diameter ones (well, there are some dogs out there, either in QA or design). Unless you are in that 1% or so, I'd look at a different brand (my preference would be a Toto).

adrialla
05-10-2012, 02:33 PM
My only experience with a Caroma was in a hotel in Oceanside, CA. Great looking toilet, I really like the styling -- and a powerful flush. However, it has two flaws that, for me, rule it out. The first is that the water level is just WAY too low, and the bowl wash effect isn't good. The bowl gets messy. I have *zero* desire to brush the toilet after every use... and lining the bowl with paper just sounds silly. The other problem is that if you flush while still seated, you are quite likely to have some of your male anatomy involved. Including some splash? Not so good.

I couldn't agree more! We moved into a rental property that has a Caroma dual flush toilet. With such a low water level, waste residue collects in the bowl that does not get washed off when flushed 3 times, let alone once. I detest having to grab a wad of toilet paper and manually remove the residue or use the bowl brush to get it out, which then necessitates soaking the brush in bleach each time to disinfect. If the bowl isn't thoroughly cleaned after each "productive" visit, the bathroom gets a distinct odor. I also concur with the issue of flushing while seated, especially during a bout of gastrointestinal trouble. Plan on taking a shower after the violent splashback.

These toilets may save water, but they are completely unsanitary and a health hazard IMO.

DavidDIY
10-23-2012, 10:53 PM
The quick version: Does a Caroma toilet need a 4" closet flange and pipe or would a 3" pipe (with a 4/3 flange) be ok?

I am currently working on a major master bathroom remodel that will not be done for a good long time. Working in my spare time doing all of the work myself and - most importantly - paying for it all yikes. Among the many decisions I have to make is a toilet. I am leaning toward a Caroma at the moment for the extra wide trapway. I ran across a post where Terry stated that the Caroma 4" trapway narrows to 3". Everything I read from Caroma says "full 4 inch trapway" which led me to think I might have to use 4 inch all the way but not so if it narrows to 3". I was wondering if this is current information (don't remember the date on that post) and if it is all Caroma models or at least the ones available here. That is the kind of information I would have expected Caroma to make available. It also would seem that narrowing would be bad, especially in the trapway but they are supposed to be the experts. Since my plumbing is in the rough in stage and no subfloor in yet I can change some things if I need to.

Found you by way of Google. Great work going on here. Thanks for all the great discussions I have already been able to digest thus far.

Terry
10-24-2012, 08:59 AM
Caroma likes to say 4" trapway. And I liked to believe in Santa Clause when I was young. But then you grow up and find out that not everything you read is real.

The Caroma 305 bowl has a 3" trapway. At least on the outlet. The Caroma 270 bowl is a bit larger then 3", and as it folds over, certainly less then 4".

Installing the 305 bowl with the 3" outlet over a 4x3 flange work perfectly.
The 270 bowl is a little larger with the supplied adapter, but I have installed plenty over a 4x3 closet flange.

By the way, Gerber says their Ultraflush trapway averages over 3", and yet when I put a tape measure on it, it's 1-7/8" at the outlet.

Below is the Caroma 305 3" trapway.

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/caroma/caroma_305_horn.jpg

A Caroma 305 bowl with 3" trapway. I wish I had taken the picture with my tape measure across the opening.

Starwarsith88
09-21-2013, 06:16 PM
What do you guys think of the caroma? I want to get a dual flush one but is that model the caravelle? I want one that is really high performance and flushes well.

jadnashua
09-21-2013, 06:50 PM
There's good and bad with the Caroma - the good is that they have probably the largest diameter trapway in the industry, and will flush the long, hard logs some people (maybe less than 1%) of the population produces, usually because of some medical condition. The bad is that to get the water moving in such a large trapway requires dumping the water VERY fast, which typically can splash the bottom of the seat (and you, if you're sitting there...best left to flush only after you close it! If you're in that 1% that doesn't produce 'normal' deposits, it may be your best bet. But, most any Toto will be perfectly fine for the rest. Ask someone who has owned one for awhile, and see if they still know where their plunger is...they probably don't. There are others.

wjcandee
09-21-2013, 08:35 PM
The Toto Aquia gets amazing reviews and customer approval from those who want a dual-flush.

The new Connelly dual flush is up on the Toto web site, although documentation (spec sheet etc) isn't up yet. http://www.totousa.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productid=1282

Reader Review
11-26-2013, 10:16 AM
I bought a Caroma Caravelle 270 dual-flush in May, 2013 and am not happy at all. It does not wash the sides very good, it splashes up on the seat and cover (especially if toilet paper is not covering everything) and does not always flush the bowl clean. So if you have yellow stuff in the bowl you have that splashing on the seat/cover, if you have brown stuff in the bowl you have that splashing on the seat/cover. What a joke this toilet design is, you often have to dry the seat before sitting and forget about flushing while still sitting there or you will get a wet bum.

I suppose you can't bad-mouth a toilet without getting sued but judging by my experience i find it hard to believe that there are any happy customers using this toilet.

Normal siphon-type toilets mix things up a bit while swirling around and must help in pipe drainage, the Caroma quick splash overflow brainfart can only make drainage worse.

I stumbled on your website a few times while checking out toilets and saw your comment "also good are the Caroma" and wonder how many people you are leading astray with this comment and link.

This has to be the most unsanitary toilet on the planet. Sheesh.


Thanks, Wayne.

Reader Review
11-26-2013, 10:20 AM
You obviously didn't try the Caroma to include it in your review with a rave. Worst toilet ever. One inch of water in the bottom and the smell that goes with it.

The poop lands on the ceramic area above the water toward the front and stays there since the front flush goes high and over the solid waste. One must clean the poop with a brush after every use and if you wait an hour or so, it dries and the typical toilet brush is not strong enough. Then you have to scrape it off.

Also, even with the double flush, while the poop that hits the water will flush, it leaves the water a soiled brown color and that stains the ceramic bowl in the one inch of water. My ceramic toilet bowl may be stained forever. I have only had the toilet for a month with one user. I am returning it to Costco after paying a plumber to install and now another to uninstall.

With the single flush, half the time, toilet paper is left in the bottom, requiring two or more flushes.

Please try products before you write reviews. Or just read some of the reviews online.=

Kelly