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A Jones
12-14-2004, 05:09 PM
I need to buy 3 new toilets for a remodel.
I am looking for a QUIET, POWERFUL, ONE-PIECE toilet.
I'd like to go with KOHLER, to match sinks and tubs.
Any suggestions?

jadnashua
12-14-2004, 05:15 PM
Is the existing stuff white? If so, there are some good matches in other brands. Toto (http://www.easycarts.net/ecarts/terrylove/Toto_Toilets.html) makes two whites, and lists the other brands that are compatible. If the stuff is not white, there is still a possibility you can get a match. Most manufacturers list a cross-reference color chart. How close the match is is an open point.

jdkimes
12-15-2004, 11:13 AM
I'm not a plumber but just put a Toto Drake (http://www.easycarts.net/ecarts/terrylove/Toto_Toilets.html)elongated in my new bathroom.
It's very quiet, fast, powerful flush, but not one piece.
But I'd think if you bought a Toto one piece as long as it had the G-Max flush you'd get the same quiet, powerful.
The Toto Carlyle looks like it fits that bill.
Terry has lots of toilet suggestions, maybe you can buy it from him.

PEW
12-15-2004, 11:52 AM
http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/MS874114SG_zoom.jpg

From personal experience I highly recommend the Toto Carlyle (http://www.easycarts.net/ecarts/terrylove/Toto_Toilets.html). Tried one, and then replaced all our toilets well over a year ago, no problems they work great. Just recommended one to a friend who is now getting a second one.

LonnythePlumber
12-16-2004, 06:53 AM
The only reason to match name brands on fixtures is color. There is an advantage to having the same faucet manufacturer. I consider Kohler's to be problematic and would avoid them if possible. If you do get a Kohler then you had better get a plunger also.

Brian S.
12-17-2004, 12:39 AM
If you go with Kohler, you could go with the Cimarron, but instead of a plunger, you should buy a toilet brush for this one. It does flush good, but is more prone to skid marks than the others. I have one, and this is my only complaint about it. However, I would much rather give a quick scrub of the brush than to be constantly plunging and double and triple flushing. Like Terry has said, it is much better than the Wellworth toilet, despite the bowl wash issue. If I have to replace my other toilet though, I'll get a Toto, and do a "head to head" comparison. Just my 2 cents worth. Good luck for whatever toilet you choose,

Brian

hudson75
12-20-2004, 03:25 PM
Insatalled a Kohler Cimarron elongated last week. Love it. Don't know why I waited so long. Load it heavy, use lots of paper "I'm an old man" one flush and its gone. Previously never less then three. and the some times clog.

LonnythePlumber
12-20-2004, 07:55 PM
Hudson I would be interested to know what kind of toilet your previous one was.

hudson75
12-21-2004, 06:42 PM
Not sure . Bought the house new six years ago.
Spec home.
Most everthing ontractor grade . The wife scrubed the decal off early on. Could have mentioned. I replaced my self. Piece of cake. Only problem I fogot to get new T bolts. Had to make a quick trip to Lowes. Also used a couple of shimes under the aft part. to make every thing solid this is a slab foundation . I'm 77, only mention cause it ain't that bad a job.

Terry
12-22-2004, 11:27 AM
If you want more complete bowl wash, I would be checking the Toto line.

The Toto Cotton White is a good match to the Kohler White.
Toto Sedona Beige matches Kohler Biscuit
Toto Bone matches Kohler Almond.

Good flush, good rinse, Easy installation, fairly quiet.

I've used the Cimarron too, it plugs more than the Toto, and misses some of the bowl wash.

Best toilet out there?
Maybe the Toto Soiree and Guinevere.
Comfort height, skirted bowl, softclose seat, Sangloss glazing, amazing looks, swirling double cyclone rinse, excellent flush.

http://www.terrylove.com/images/soiree_angle.jpg

dc_homeplumber
12-23-2004, 10:06 AM
Gerber makes a one-piece with the Flushmate. The model name for this toilet is the Maurice and Gerber still carries many colors that have been out of "style" for years. I have also read on various websites that the newest version of the Flushmate that Gerber is now using is as quiet as a regular gravity toilet. Terry Love could probably get it or order it for you if you live in his area, but if not, check them out at www.gerberonline.com.

Good luck.

DaveT
01-06-2005, 06:14 AM
Hello, everyone,

I'm new to this Forum and Terry's evaluations and the MAP report, and have found them very helpful in my quest for the "right" replacement toilet. In particular, they led me away from the Kohler Wellworth Highline, which I had kind of homed-in on before reading the MAP ratings.

I had then pretty much decided on a Kohler Cimarron until I read about its bowl cleaning deficiencies, and now am uncertain again. Perhaps some of you can comment.

I had picked the Cimarron as a lower cost, more readily available alternative to the Toto line. I was looking for the following features in addtion to good flush/bowl cleaning performance: ADA "Comfort" height w/ elongated bowl, concealed trapway, 'conventional' appearance, in white. The concealed trapway has proven difficult to find, at least in conventional reasonably priced toilets. The Cimarron has all except concealed trapway.

Any suggestions are appreciated.

Terry
01-06-2005, 09:37 AM
The Cimarron does not have good bowl wash, we know that.
The tank goes on easily, but has no sanitary dam to prevent urine from getting under the tank.
It does plug sometimes.
For most people though, it will be a step up in performance.

It you want something better, you can look at the Toto,
http://www.totousa.com/toto/dealerlocator.asp

I've been selling the Toto Dalton ADA (http://www.terrylove.com/wc/cst734f.htm)for $187.00
It's better than and for less money than the Cimarron.

Even better than that is the Toto Drake ADA (http://www.terrylove.com/wc/totocst744s.htm)which goes for more money but has very good performance.

TOTO Drake 800 grams by Veritech, Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmuzFve6O4k)

Cybermonkey
05-20-2008, 05:22 PM
Hi Everyone,

We're restoring a 1910 bungalow. Need a toilet that will help keep our water usage down (so that we can continue to use original septic system) that will also look good in a traditional bathroom. The other fixtures are an original clawfoot tub, and the St. Thomas Creations Liberty pedestal sink. We've ordered the kohler Memoirs round-bowl toilet, but now I'm wondering if we're going to regret this decision in the long run. Anyone have any suggestions, or experience with the Memoirs toilet?

Terry
05-20-2008, 06:23 PM
The Memoirs is either like the Wellworth, if it has the 2" flapper, or it's like the Cimarron, with a large flapper.
St Thomas makes some Quadro flush toilets that may go with the lav.

SteveW
05-20-2008, 06:37 PM
http://www.terrylove.com/images/soiree_angle.jpg
Toto Soiree


Hi Everyone,

We're restoring a 1910 bungalow. Need a toilet that will help keep our water usage down (so that we can continue to use original septic system) that will also look good in a traditional bathroom. The other fixtures are an original clawfoot tub, and the St. Thomas Creations Liberty pedestal sink. We've ordered the kohler Memoirs round-bowl toilet, but now I'm wondering if we're going to regret this decision in the long run. Anyone have any suggestions, or experience with the Memoirs toilet?

I don't know anything about those particular fixtures, but I have a Toto Soiree which has sort of a classic look to it. It has Toto's new "double cyclone" bowl wash which i HIGHLY recommend.

Cybermonkey
05-20-2008, 07:42 PM
Thanks for the suggestions-we'll check them out.

jscavo
05-21-2008, 10:07 AM
any color match issues with the st thomas creations and toto fixtures?

Cybermonkey
05-22-2008, 06:32 PM
Now we're thinking of going with either the Toto Dartmouth or the Clayton. Problem is we already have a 10" rough in. Can we buy the unifit adapter to change the rough-in on these as well? Also, do either of these come in a round bowl, and if not, is the elongated bowl an issue with keeping it clean?

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/cst784_01.jpg
Toto Clayton

Terry
05-22-2008, 06:56 PM
The Dartmouth and Clayton need 11-1/4" to work.
Toto with the Unifit (http://www.terrylove.com/wc/unifit.htm), and be used with a 10" Unifit.
Guinevere
Soiree
Carrollton

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/ms974_01.jpg
TOTO Guinevere

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/flange_03.jpg

http://www.terrylove.com/images/abak/abak_carrollton.jpg
CST774S TOTO Carrollton

allora
06-03-2008, 12:01 PM
I too am choosing toilets and need some help. I need small, European looking toilets and am considering TOTO AQUIA and KOHLER PERSUADE. Looks wise I prefer the Kohler but there seems to be no Kohler fans here. Any help/info is appreciated. Thanks.

jadnashua
06-03-2008, 12:37 PM
Kohler seems to have the not-invented-here syndrom...they like to do everything themselves. This means that the only place you can go for parts is them, in most cases. Their parts book looks like a phone book, and because there are so many variations, few stock them, sometimes, even the factory, so you have to wait for them to build one. If you are lucky, maybe days downtime, but it could be weeks or longer.

Toto is the largest manufacturer of toilets in the WORLD...they make things in large quanties, and if they get it wrong, it is very costly. Personal experience is they do their engineering, pick a good design, then go with it - they rarely get it wrong. Plus, the things like fill valves, and flappers, they use parts that are generally available and common, so they are stocked locally.

Redwood
06-03-2008, 06:24 PM
Kohler seems to have the not-invented-here syndrom...they like to do everything themselves. This means that the only place you can go for parts is them, in most cases. Their parts book looks like a phone book, and because there are so many variations, few stock them, sometimes, even the factory, so you have to wait for them to build one. If you are lucky, maybe days downtime, but it could be weeks or longer.

Jadnashua said it a lot more diplomaticly than I would! Why any manufacturer can design a toilet using a Rube Goldberg looking contraption like the one pictured below then have the guts (I'm really thinking of another word here) to rape the customer for $431.50 for a replacement parts and still have any customers is beyond me! I too have experienced a 1 month wait for a proprietary part from Kohler...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2/Redwood39/kohlerpn30669.jpg

If Kohler was the only toilet manufacturer I'd use a bucket in my house!:mad: