View Full Version : Help, roller stuck in toilet... What to do..
My 7 year old some how flushed our 6 or 7 inch wooden toilet paper roller down the toilet... When I flush the water goes down, but much slower and it doesnt get the good gulp at the end of the flush.....
What can i do to try to get the wooden roller out of the toilet...
SCROLL DOWN I POSTED AN UPDATE ABOUT THE ROLLER......
THAKS YOU EVERY ONE WHO HELPED, BUT I NEED MORE HELP NOW.....
02-23-2006, 01:26 PM
It is probably stuck in the trap, the p-shaped inner channel of the toilet that prevents all of the water from just running down the drain. A toilet auger might get it out, or you might have to pull the toilet off of the floor and try to push it back out from the bottom. Those things can be a pain as with the spring in them, they can expand and not want to come back out...it is a pain to get it just so so you can compress it so it will fit back out.
Try can try a toilet auger or your hand if it will fit. Put a rubber glove on if your squemish. It shouldn't have gone to far.
02-23-2006, 01:47 PM
Gina, it really needs to come out the way it went in, from the top. You don't want something like that to get into the drain line as it will cause blockage. There are two ways to get it out. If you're lucky, you can either reach it with you hand and pull it free or if it's too far in for that perhap you could snag it with a bend wire. Most likely though, you will have to pull the toilet and knock it out from the under side. To do this, turn off the water supply and flush the toilet. Then sponge out the inside of the tank (there's alway some water left). Now disconnect the water supply line. Next dip and sponge the water from the toilet bowl. Any water you don't get out of the tank and/or the bowl will end up on the floor, so try to get it all. You will find a nut on each side of the toilet base, usually under decorative caps. Remove these nuts. Sometimes they are corroded so badly that the bolts will break instead of the nuts unscrewing, but that's not a big problem. With these two nuts removed, you can rock the toilet and break the wax ring seal. Then the toilet can be lifted off of the flange and you will have access to the underside and should be able to knock that roller out. Once you have that done, the toilet has to be reinstalled. Assuming you have a wax ring, this must be cleaned off. Use a putty knife, old kitchen knife, or whatever you can find to scrape it off. Rubber gloves will handy here. When the ring is removed and the horn on the toilet is clean, you can replace the tee bolts and nuts if needed. The tee bolts fit in the flange and will be longer than needed, use the length of the old bolts to determine where to cut the new ones. You have a choice of a new wax ring or the newer waxless ring. If you use a wax ring, put it on the flange and carefully lower the toilet one to it, making certain the horn on the underside fits into the ring and the two flange bolts go through the hole in the base. If you use the waxless ring, disregard the installation instructions and put the ring on the horn first. Now lower the toilet over the flange making sure the snout of the ring fits into the flange and again that the bolts fit into the holes. Rock the toilet and apply downward pressure to seat the ring (either kind) When you seat the toilet on the flange, it should rest firmly on the floor all the way around. Now install the nuts and washers on the flange bolts. These bolts are not used to pull the toilet down into place, just to hold it so they are just snugged down. Reconnect the water supply line, turn it on to fill the tank and you are back in business. Don't try to handle the toilet alone unless you are fairly brawny! They are fairly heavy and awkward to handle. Also lining the ring and flange bolts is really hard to do alone.
I am going to try a auger tomorrow. I am just afraid I will push it further down and then affect the rest of the houses plumbing. I am a renter and dont want to make things worse.... This is a all wooden roller no springs. They way the water takes to go down , I have a feeling it is so close but i just cant touch it....... And oh boy is that water cold.... I hope the auger cant touch it and it will pop up , back into the bowl. Does that sound reasonable...
Wish me luck....... And oh this toilet is very old , the pipe conncetion is metal and not those plastic/or spirial Metal connections...
02-23-2006, 04:04 PM
NO, NO, NO. Don't use an auger, that would tend to push the roller in deeper and then you will have a problem. It has to come out from the bowl side.
02-23-2006, 04:28 PM
You may want to use a baster and sponge to get the water out of the bowl, and then let the 7 year old see if smaller hands can reach the roller. Even if they can't reach it, it may make the lesson more meaningful.
02-23-2006, 04:56 PM
In my humble opinion, I don't think that you can push it all the way through by auguring from the bowl. I would try to get the head of the auger past the roller and try to hook it and if that won't work you may have to lift the toilet and lay it on it's side and push the roller to the way it got in or if you see it, figure a way to turn it or break it to get it out..............whew........
02-23-2006, 11:55 PM
I don't know for a fact that the roller will push through, but I sure would chance it. If it did get through and wedge in the mainline, you'd have to get a pro with an auger big enough to chew it up. I repeat that I'd first try to reach it, and using the child might work. If reaching it didn't work, then I'd just pull the toilet. Pulling a toilet isn't really all that bad of a job. You are working where it's warm, dry, well lit, and you are not crawling in a spidery crawl space. I assure you that you handle lots of things that are less sanitary than this toilet.
You can always call a plumber to do it if you feel like you don't want to fool with it.
Remove the water from the bowl with a vacuum or sponge. Then using a small mirror and flashlight look up into the drain passage. The roller should be stuck right at the top of it. Bend a coat hanger and use it to wiggle the roller and it will/should drop back down so you can remove it.
02-28-2006, 03:23 PM
Stick your hand in there and pull it out.
I've washed thousand of cloth diapers out in toilet bare handed, you can stick your hand in the toilet to put out a stick of wood.
This toilet is an older toilet and I can barley find the hole in the back where the roller should be... But I got wire and made a little hook and i tried and I treid with no luck.
The Dare toilet flushed great... I am so scared I pushed it down.... The water is going down fast and I hear that gulp sound when the water finished flushing... This is an older house so I have no idea how the pipes are .
I was wondering if I could put a piece of toilet papaer in the toilet and flush it and have my husband go down stairs and open the trap and see if he see's the paper flow by. If he does , does that mean that the roller has flushed out to the main line in to the street.....
How will I know when and if I soved this problem, we use this bath room , only my kids pee in there so we havent let any toilet paper go in there, but we have two bathrooms, so will the toilet paper from the other toilet start to get clogged if the roller is some where in the pipes...
Is it possible that the roller is all the way out of the pipes and into the sewer...
Load it up with paper, flush, and see what happens. It will work or plug. Then you will know for sure.
Load it up with paper, flush, and see what happens. It will work or plug. Then you will know for sure.
OMG I am so Scared to do this......... Will it affect both toilets..... SHOULD I GO DO IT NOW.. If it clogs what then.....
Can I still use the other toilet? Or will that clog if the roller didnt get all the way out......
CASS Will it clog right away or will it have to have a built up of toilet paper?
It will clog on the first or 2nd flush with a good amount of paper. It is the only way to know. The other toilet should be fine.
You know, you want to know, and this is the only way.
Be brave, go for it.
03-01-2006, 08:00 PM
I'm guessing the roller passed into the drainline. It may or may not still be in there, but as long as it doesn't get crosswise, it won't hurt anything. It's most likely that it has washed on through and is long gone. :)
I put in toilet paper and flushed went down to slow, I see paper kinda stay right in the back of toilte before it went down.
Ok did it again and the water was much slower.
Then I flushed with no paper in it and the water level rose to the top of the bowl , I thought it was going to over flow. Darn.... What am I going to do now. Where do you think the roller is now. Still close enough to try and reach it or in the trap?
I am afraid to flush again.
Ok flushed it and the water leave come to almost the top of the Bowl is, the water twistest and goes down the bowl but with no good force and I dont here that good gulp at the end......
if the roller was a one piece wooden one, like you said, it is too long to go around the bends in the toilet. A closet auger should dislodge it and let it fall back down into the toilet, but you have to get all the water out or the roller will just float on top of the water and get stuck again the next time you flush.
03-02-2006, 07:06 AM
I would call a plumber. When I was a kid (early '60's), my dear sister flushed a toy hand mirror down our 1949 "Standard" CADET. I was right there when she did it. :eek: It went down very fast and lodged there. I thought nothing of it until on the next flush, the water came all the way up to the top of the bowl. My mother went to the store and bought one of those cheap orange plungers that kept turning itself inside out. Then my father made an emergency trip home from work with a heavy duty plunger. My mother worked on it all day, and the water was once again going down, but slowly. IN THE EVENING, Dad ended up calling a plumber who brought an auger. He thought he got it, but this was a particularly tough hand mirror, and an hour later, he was back. This time, he broke the mirror with the auger and it went down. Some time later, my bar of pine scented soap disappeared. Yup, she flushed that down too. The toilet swallowed it and kept it down, and I was not happy!! :( You need a professional to get that wooden spindle out. Good luck!
Ok If I am understanding right. The roller is still lodged in the toilet itself. So If I call a plumber in he will "Hopefully" with his skills get the roller out, using his auger.
So I should stop trying myself......
I am just hoping the roller is still in the toilet itself...
I have to say thanks to all who helped me ...What a great site this is..
I will keep you posted as to what goes on....
Ok i Will try one last time, but i have a wire piece and i made a hook on it, but i cant seem to find the hole that goes in the back of the toilet and down. I keep getting stuck right in the begining and i seems as if i am just hitting the back of the bowl.. Anu suggestion ..HELP
03-02-2006, 10:47 AM
It's in there.
It's probably up and over the hump and laying there almost at the outlet and the roller is too long to make it through.
Tis better to take the toilet up and roll it over on it's SIDE and work the roller out, maybe in pieces....
Thank you .. I have given up......
Here are my options.....
My sister is coming soon, she good at stuff like this...... Can we handle this project by our selves. We would have to buy a ring sealer right.... And I am sure new bolts, as the other one look ugly........Is there a instruction thingy to follow maybe on the interent some where....
If all else fails, my son's friend is a plumber, I could ask him to come over and try to get it out before we take apart the toilet....But I really hate to ask..
He is a professional plumber, but is the roller to far gone for a professional plumber to try to get it out.... should we try that before we remove the toilets ourselves...
Or I can try the removal of the toilet with my sister and then if we can't get it back togther then call my son friend dad.....
I thing I am going totally toilte nuts LOL
you guys have been wonderful.......
03-02-2006, 04:08 PM
I've known gals that have tackled this kind of job and found that it isn't as difficult as they thought.
If you try it you can always come back to this site for help...
03-02-2006, 04:34 PM
It's not a hard job, but there are a number of pitfalls. Toilets are a little heavy, and someone has to be able to bend over the flange (the transition between the drain system and the toilet, which is bolted to the floor) while holding the toilet above the flange, center it, and carefully lower the toilet right onto the flange. If you miss the target, you need to take off the wax ring and put on a new one.
To lighten the toilet, you can take off the tank, but then you'll have to reattach it, using new hardware you'll have to buy, and there is a risk of leaks at several places when attaching a tank.
On the other hand, if something goes wrong and you have a leak at the flange, and something (like the subfloor, or the ceiling of the apartment below you) gets damaged, the landlord will assume it's your fault and you'll be on the hook to pay for damage.
If I were in your shoes, I'd call the landlord, or a professional plumber.
Why call the land lord? It was my childs fault, I take responsiblity. I will fix it. Unless because I rent she had the responsililty of keeping thing in shape eventhought my kid did it......
I think I am the only one willing to pay for my on mistake...
any one out there a land lord..
03-02-2006, 11:43 PM
Not a landlord, but here's something to consider. If you were to break the toilet while attempting this job, you then would be stuck for the cost of a new toilet. Now, as I posted before, this is not really a super difficult job, but sometimes things happen. It might be wise if you were to discuss the problem and what you are prepared to do with the landlord first.
IF the landlord has more than 30-40 units he may have a plumber that works for him at a reduced rate. You can ask him.
Personaly I won't work on a house if called by a tennant, even if the tennant calls and says they will pays because it is not their house. I always ask that the tennant have the LL call me first. Many LLs don't want anyone working on their units except their contractors.
I see your point, this is a one family house, converted into a legal two family. So It is only me and the landlord. Last time we had a clog , she called her own plumber, well he is a plumber for the city in which we live in and my landlord is friends with his wife. So he comes for small problems, not large one. She is just a sweet heart of a landlord. I will tell her what happen and what I intend to do. My sister and I will tackle this toilet next saturday, thats when she will be down and I am under doctors orders for no heavy lifting for 3 days . If I crack the bowl, I will be back on this board for recommondation for a new good bowl LOL ...............
So I wont have an update until next saturday night
wish me luck
this is a very small bathroon so room is very tight...
CAn some one direct me to a site that give me step by step direction on how to take PART the toilet..
THANKS SO MUCH GUYS I REALLY APPRECIATE THE HELP
:eek: AHHH WISH ME LUCK :eek:
can you guys tell me what i need
some kind of seal ring, what about bolts.
does the seal ring come in sizes....
You won't be taking the toilet apart. You will be looking in the hole on the bottom for the roller. If it can't be gotten out through that hole you may be able to push it back into the toilet bowl. It may drop out when you tip the toilet.
Sorry to be a pain, but what exactly am I doing. I am only tipping the toilet after i get the bolts off?
Cass could you tell me excatly what I am doing, or give me a web site that show me what to do.
Oh can I do this my self with out the help of my sister. :eek:
03-03-2006, 12:03 PM
Gina, the toilet is held down by those two bolts, so it will not move very much until the nut nuts are removed from the bolts. Once the nuts are off and the supply line is removed, there is nothing holding the toilet down except for the goo on the wax ring. When you get the toilet up, you will want to lay it on its side to clean the old wax ring off. This can be messy, so have a good supply of newspaper to keep the mess off of the floor. Any water left in the bowl and/or tank will drain out now, so do a good job of sponging before you pull the toilet up. Scrape as much of the wax off as possible, then some paint thinner, paper towels, and rags will get the rest. If the roller is still in the toilet, just reach up through the drain hole and you should be able to knock it back into the bowl. Have a large rag like an old towel that you can plug the flange with while you have the toilet up. That will block sewer gas.
Ok thanks for all your help. I will be doing all this next saturday. Are the wax rings all the same size?
Is the flange, the hole in the bathroom floor where the toilet sat on? You want me to plunge that a few times?
Thanks guys, this should be a fun day ..LOL
will let you al know how it turned out.
03-03-2006, 02:38 PM
Plunging the flange isn't what he meant...plug it up while you are working...it is a straight shot with nothing to block the sewer gasses from coming out. Normally, the water in the toilet blocks those gasses, but you've taken that out!
03-03-2006, 06:54 PM
I'll chime in from the landlord side: I would ALWAYS prefer the tenant call me first. It takes awhile for my new ones to come 'round, to understand that I will not get mad at them. A lot of tenants are scared of their landlords - I've met a few LL that are pretty scary myself! Anyhow, the way I see it, it is my property and I prefer to make the decisions about major stuff. And as was mentioned before, I have my favorite plumber who knows how I like it & will take extra steps if needed. Even if I need to charge back to the tenant, this is way better IMO. And also as was mentioned, I get a discount and because I'm already a client, speedy service. Plumbers are way busy here and many aren't taking new clients.
From the other side, I've removed & set toilets many times. The first was kinda weird, but cool in a "so that's how they do it" kind of way. For a first timer, two people is a definite go, one to hold the toilet & one to line it up. Straight down, slow & easy, right in the middle of the flange, and then I like to sit on it for good pressure all the way around, then snug down the bolts. I've never tightened them "real tight", others might correct me (please do) Well that's my two cents, have fun with it, I think it's a wonderful adventure to do this kind of work. Allow for lots of time & a trip to the hardware store - reduces frustration when it takes longer than you think.
Thanks for all your tips...I know my landlord doesnt have a plumber for this job she a little guy for small clogs.. But you are right, I will tell her first and ask her what she would like me to do.
Ok who lives In Westchester , Ny and want to solve my problem and come over and do this for free......LOL :eek: :eek: :eek:
Tightning a toilet down and knowing when to stop is something you learn. Not tight enough and it will leak, to tight and it will break. There are no tork specs. that I know of.
03-06-2006, 08:23 PM
Well did you (or someone) get that toilet off. If you're lucky that piece of wood is still in the toilet. If you owned the place, and the thing was still in the toilet you'd be just as well to replace the toilet while you have it off (you said it was a pretty old toilet).
I am having a hell of a time getting the supply line disconnected. It is a solid pipe up to the tank. Do I just pull it once i have losses the plastic nut?
03-11-2006, 09:16 AM
The plastic nut is removed and dropped down at the fill valve.
Then you can lift the toilet up and away.
Thanks terry, But this toliet is old. After i took off the fluid master, the water supplu pipe was disconnected. All is ready to lift toilet and i got nervous, so i called a friend who is a professional plumber and he is on his way over. I was hesitate to call him but , he's a great guy and said he would be right over. So I will post and update to where that DAMN ROLLER IS lol
thanks guys for all your help
Well thanks for all your Help.. I really mean that you guys have been so helpful. I got all the way to getting the bolts off and the water connection off and I chickened out and I called my plumber friend.
He lifted up the toliet and use needle nose plyer and a flashlight and there it was , the wooden roller, and it was swollen form absorbing all the water for 7 weeks... Thansk to him he put every thign back togther for me.
we now have a working toilet. Thank god we had 2 bathrooms..
I will be sending my friend a nice thank you card with a gift card inside.
thanks for all your support.