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DelmanAllen
01-08-2006, 08:33 AM
We're considering installing Kohler Santa Rosa (http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28056)one-piece toilets in our new home because we like the way they look and they aren't much of a price upgrade from the toilets the builder has spec'd. However, after reading some of the comments here, we don't want to regret our decision regarding poor performance. Any thoughts?

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/kohler/santa_rosa_side.jpg
Kohler K-3323-0 toilet in white, side view

2" Flush valve
Kohler Ingenium Flush

Mike50
01-08-2006, 02:02 PM
I also am looking for details about improvements that Kohler has made since the problems they had.

Cal
01-09-2006, 02:14 AM
Pro opinon ----

Kohler One piece toilets always wind up sucking ! Go with Vitra or Toto

two piece. They will give you a long time of good service !

Cal

Mike50
01-09-2006, 06:32 AM
Is their an advantage of having a two piece toilet in general?

Terry
01-09-2006, 08:04 AM
The Kohler Santa Rosa has a 2" flush valve.
The trapway also takes a right angle turn downward.
There's better stuff out there, but there are plenty of these installed too.

No, the advantage is to the one-piece.

It installs right out of the box,
Slightly quieter,
Easier to clean, no joint between tank and bowl.
No leak worries between tank and bowl.
They come with a nice seat.
Toto makes the Ultimate which sells on the street for $399 in elongated
and the Ultramax for $434 in elongated.

These both come with a 3" flush valve.

BlueHouse
08-16-2011, 09:29 PM
I personally have had a very good experience with this toilet. No clogs in 4+ years with this toilet. Use of toilet by 20+ guests per day. Easy to clean with great bowl wash. Stylish and one piece. Has a high water level.

BlueHouse
09-02-2011, 12:11 AM
The Kohler Santa Rosa has a 2" flush valve.
The trapway also takes a right angle turn downward.
There's better stuff out there.

No, the advantage is to the one-piece.


It installs right out of the box,
Slightly quieter,
Easier to clean, no joint between tank and bowl.
No leak worries between tank and bowl.
They come with a nice seat.
Toto makes the Ultimate which sells on the street for $399 in elongated
and the Ultramax for $434 in elongated.

These both come with a 3" flush valve.

The Ultimate flushes 325 grams. The Santa Rosa flushes 500. I'd go with the Santa Rosa.

Jerome2877
09-02-2011, 12:58 AM
The Ultimate flushes 325 grams. The Santa Rosa flushes 500. I'd go with the Santa Rosa.

Well if he still hasn't picked one since 2006 then I'm sure he's grateful for this great advice!

Terry
09-02-2011, 10:07 AM
The Toto Ultimate at 325 grams when they used to flush with paste didn't plug in two years.
The Kohler Cimarron Class five at 650 grams with plastic wrapped test media plugged weekly in the same bathroom.

The Santa Rosa in the picture above was taken out of a home after the other bathroom had a Toto Ultramax installed.
They quit using the Santa Rosa bathroom, because of the plugging and switched out everything to the Toto Ultramax toilets.
This is what the customers were telling me at least.

The Toto Ultramax has a MaP of 700 grams,
In my church we have two Drake ADA 900 grams, four Toto Ultramax 700 grams, four Toto Ultimate 325 grams and all of them flush well in commercial use.

What hadn't been working, was the five gallon American Standard Cadet toilets. The Cadet toilets plugged often.

The MaP is a test done by an engineer. Frankly, I find that the "real world" is not the same.
I believe in home testing to find out how they really perform.
An engineer doesn't care if water splashes all over your bottom, most people find this offensive being hit with toilet water when sitting. And if you are a guy reading that statement, turn and ask your wife how she feels about it. She'll clue you in. What else do you not know about women?