View Full Version : I Can't Take It Anymore

01-07-2006, 02:00 PM
Replaced the original builder's Eljer two-piece low line toilets (all FOUR of 'em) with Kohler one-piece. I PLUNGE EVERY WEEK, AND IT'S NOT EVEN BECAUSE OF ME! IT'S MY WIFE AND KIDS!

So now I begin reading and understand that it's a combination of the females in my home plus the mandated 1.6gpf. OK. Then I read consumer reports -- and then I read this forum.

All I want is a reasonably priced one-piece elongated toilet that does the job it's supposed to!

I am at wit's end!!


01-07-2006, 02:02 PM
Have you read Terry's toilet comparisons? In a one-piece, he really likes the Toto Ultramax.

How much is "reasonably priced?"

01-07-2006, 02:08 PM
I saw Terry's recommendation, but I wanted to come in under $300. Do I have it right -- the UltraMax is like the American Standard Champion in that they're both gravity fed, but with a 3" diameter rather than industry standard 2"?

And wouldn't a Flushmate or other power-assist work better (you wouldn't believe my teenaged daughters)?

01-07-2006, 02:43 PM
Yep, the Ultramax is a gravity unit and does have a 3" flush valve. The American Standards have not had much good press on this site due to premature failures of their unique flush valve.

I have a Crane Economizer with Flushmate, myself. Have had it about 4-5 years and have given it a severe workout! Has never, never clogged, and really cleans the bowl well with its aggressive flush, so no streaking.

The downsides (there'a ALWAYS at least one!) are that it's noisy, and it does fairly regularly need to be double-flushed with solids, since it doesn't always get everything "down" in one flush.
Toto Aquia CST414M with SS114 softclose seat

If I were replacing it today, I would probably go with a Toto Aquia, just because I like the dual-flush mode.

01-07-2006, 03:37 PM
A good toilet, whether it is the Champion, or the Toto, or any brand of pressure assist, is going to push the $300 mark.

01-07-2006, 05:39 PM
Under $300?

Toto Ultimate MS854114 for $299

I had one in the home for a year, worked great.

I have an Aquia in one bath now, works well.
It's a little different than most, in that you will hear water in the plastic trapway, whenever water is added to the bowl.
Most toilets don't have plastic in the trapway and are queiter when water is added.

One of the other bathrooms has a Toto Ultramax with Sanagloss.

Bob NH
01-07-2006, 08:03 PM
Some of the 1.6 gpf gravity flush units have a double flush mode, even if it's not advertised.

They are set to close when 1.6 gallons is discharged, thus meeting the requirement; but they leave a lot of water in the tank.

On my American Standard, there is a little foam float on the flush chain that is set at a height that allows it to close after 1.6 gallons, but if the float is relocated down tight against the flapper it keeps it open longer and flushes more than 3 gallons.

An Eljer that I recently installed for a neighbor also flushes only about half the tank (1.6 gallons) if you immediately release the lever, but if you hold the lever down you get a 3+ gallon flush. You could get the superflush automatically if a float is attaced to the top of the valve.

01-07-2006, 08:27 PM
...if I just ease off the one piece requirement (which I have because the lack of a seam means one less thing to worry about cleaning). It's the same price as the ultimate, but pushes through more than twice the mass! Thanks, guys. A most amazing site -- I can't believe how much I've learned about toilets!

01-07-2006, 08:42 PM
It IS a great site, isn't it? And surprisingly compelling reading! My wife elbows me in the ribs when I bring up the MaP report at family dinners...

I like the look of the Aquia, too -- sort of looks like a one-piece.