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EdMartha
01-06-2006, 03:46 PM
We have home in Central Oregon built in 1994. Tub/shower value in a seldom used bath has been leaking (now dripping pretty fast) from tub spout. Valve has no mfg ID. It has round chrome plate above the tub spout with single control lever that points down when off; H&C are at 9 and 3 o'clock positions. Control opens up from down (6 o'clock) counter clockwise to 9 o'clock. We'd like to identify the mfg to find parts or at least who carries them before we shut off water to the house (no separate shut-off) to minimize chance of being left without water to rest of house in case if a delay and not being able to reassemble it while ordering parts. We checked Delta's website, but none look quite the same. Home Depot's valves don't look same, either. Probably a pretty cheap generic! It would be possible to access valve through the backside by cutting through the wall in a hall closet, but we hope to do this from shower side. It is single, one-piece fiberglass tub shower with the house built around it like all houses are these days! Any suggestions will be appreciated!

Cass
01-06-2006, 05:47 PM
Turn the water off at the main and remove the cartridge and post a pic of it and we may be able to tell you, then again we may not as there are quite a few off brands.

EdMartha
01-06-2006, 06:12 PM
Thanks, Cass,
We'll try to get time to do that soon. What we had hoped was to find out some more details before shutting off the water and taking the thing apart. We were concerned that something was really getting bad and taking it apart might make the problem worse if we had to reassemble it and order parts! We were hopeful that someone would up and say, "Yeah, that is a MircroSprinkler valve with parts at your nearest Walmart." Yeah, right. Alas! Nothing is ever simple. Sigh.

jadnashua
01-06-2006, 06:16 PM
If you're lucky, there might be some markings under the cover. Wouldn't hurt to do that. Take a picture after you get the handle and sleeve off.

Cass
01-06-2006, 06:19 PM
Try taking the cover off and post a few clear, close up pics of the valve first. We may know without you taking it apart.

EdMartha
01-06-2006, 08:22 PM
Thanks for your pic suggestions! We will do that tomorrow...stay tuned!
Ed & Martha
PS: Do you really think Wal-Mart will have parts? ;)

dubldare
01-06-2006, 11:02 PM
It has round chrome plate above the tub spout with single control lever that points down when off; H&C are at 9 and 3 o'clock positions. Control opens up from down (6 o'clock) counter clockwise to 9 o'clock.


Sounds like a Moen posi-temp to me.

Cass
01-07-2006, 06:28 AM
Could be a Moen or 100 other off brands.

hj
01-07-2006, 07:27 AM
Post a picture of the plate and handle. That is usually all that is needed.

EdMartha
01-07-2006, 09:53 AM
OK! Took off the handle, and lo-and-behold there was Moen right under the handle where it was invisible before. Went on Moen's website, and, except for the handle having a screw in center with a chrome button to cover it, it looks exactly like the Chateau Posi-temp, L2352. Now, the Plaster Ground (plastic plate right behind the fiberglass wall) is larger than the hole in the fiberglass. So will the problem likely be the cartridge? If so, can we just pull out the cartridge without enlarging the hole and pulling off the Plaster Ground? Is the cartridge fairly easy to find at local plumbing supply stores, or will it need to be ordered from Moen?

Cass
01-07-2006, 09:59 AM
Just replace the cartridge and you should be all set. You will most likely need a cartridge puller also. Ask for some plumbers grease ($2-3.00) and put a very very thin coat inside the valve B4 replacing. You can use an old tooth brush to apply it. Dry the inside of the valve first. Have fun.......

plumber1
01-07-2006, 10:05 AM
Go buy a Moen cartridge.

Turn the water off somewhere. Take the handle assembly off and slide the chrome tube off. there will be a brass clip that has been slipped on at the front of the cartridge. It should slide up. Use something pointed to do this. Use the white plastic tool that comes with the cartridge to twist the whole assembly .

Twist and pull and the old part should come out.

If after the water is on and the hot and cold are reversed, just remove the handle and turn the inner or stem 180 degrees.

You might want to try it before you button it up.

EdMartha
01-07-2006, 10:08 AM
Thanks, Cass,
We have a friend who is a prof plumber (but we don't like to "use" friends so didn't want to bother him if we could find out for ourselves how to fix this sucker) who may let us borrow a cartridge puller. We'll now check for a cartridge. Glad we don't have to enlarge the hole, or tear things apart! Success smells sweet (we hope!)!

EdMartha
01-07-2006, 10:24 AM
PS: Noticed that there is a temp limit kit that looks like it can be reset up or down to increase or decrease the max temp. Once is a while we run a bit low on hot water...too much laundry close to too many showers...would it work to set that up (counter clockwise) a little to get more hot water in the mix? Should still be safe enough with cold water in the mix. Also, regarding pulling the cartridge out, will Vise-grips ...we have needlel-nose Vise-grip, also...work?

jadnashua
01-07-2006, 12:21 PM
The normal recommendation on setting these is while you have hot water, then adjust the setting so it is the hottest you care it to get. By setting it to max, then it defeats the purpose, though that is your choice. It will allow you to basically make it all hot, which may be good when the heater is running low, but could be dangerous.

Cass
01-07-2006, 12:30 PM
You can try but sometimes you have to fight it out, even with a puller. I had 1, 2 weeks ago, that took 45 min of fighting to get out. Others slide out with just a little tugging and yet others come out in peices.

EdMartha
01-14-2006, 02:54 PM
Found the Moen cartridge....$58 sucker! Anyway, the original plumber installed the plaster ground behind the fiberglass shower....which did absolutely nothing, so we had to use our trusty Dremmel to cut it out so we could pull the retainer clip out. We were smart enough to put a long wire tie through the hole in the clip so we couldn't lose it down the wall, and everything went OK! Thanks to all you pro's out there who helped us think this through...it would have cost a lot more than $58 (Lowe's) to have it done by a plumber! Great website!