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zimbu668
11-17-2004, 07:08 AM
http://terrylove.com/images/sink_dw.jpg

If this is a stupid question forgive me. I just got new counter tops installed and I'd prefer not having any extra holes in the them. Is there any reason why the air gap couldn't be entirely below the counter? If it makes any difference I have a 10" deep under-mount sink, so there should be plenty of room to work with.

Thanks in advance.

Whirlpool Dishwasher instructions (http://www.whirlpool.com/assets/pdfs/product/ZINSTALL/8535437.pdf)

jimbo
11-17-2004, 07:46 AM
An air gap ABSOLUTELY MUST NOT be installed below the counter. If you must, get rid of it completely and connect the DW drain directly to the disposer being sure to loop the drain hose as high as possible to the underside of the countertop, then back down into the disposal . This may not be allowed by code in your are, but in some areas it is an generally without incidents.

Gary Swart
11-17-2004, 09:35 AM
Unless required by local code, forget the air gap. The drain hose has to be looped and attached to the underside of the counter, above the level of the dishwasher and in such a way as not to kink.

themax3000
12-09-2004, 05:57 PM
Dishwasher manufacturers are finally getting smart and putting a "built-in loop" on the drain line of the dishwasher. Maytag tall tubs are putting in a full height loop. Whirlpool tall tubs, Kitchenaids, Bosch and some GE's are putting in about half-height loops. Perhaps this could solve the"loop" problem altogether! :p

casman
12-10-2004, 11:31 AM
I just installed a maytag and did note the loop configuration on the side of the unit, are you saying this eliminates the requirement to loop high up under the sink countertop before tying into the disposer, cause I haven't gone back to secure that loop, which I guess then is a double Loop...... :)

jadnashua
12-10-2004, 11:45 AM
I know it is trite, but did you read the manufacturer's instructions? They'd tell you if you needed another loop.

themax3000
12-11-2004, 09:42 AM
Let me start by saying I'm not a plumber, so my advice comes directly from being a dishwasher installer. I install 6-8 of these a day.

The loop is necessary for 2 reasons (albeit related and perhaps the same):

* To keep dishwasher drain water from draining back into the d/w
* To prevent siphoning from occuring and drawing waste water into the d/w

When a d/w has a loop that goes all the way to the top, I in turn do not strap the drain line up under the sink, because, in effect, the task is already accomplished. If the d/w does not, I usually strap the drain line up, or just drill a new hole at the top of the cabinet, running the drain line through the top.

Hope this helps!

Rich



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casman
12-13-2004, 08:46 AM
I know it is trite, but did you read the manufacturer's instructions? They'd tell you if you needed another loop. Good point, I'll have to take a look next time I'm over there, I do remember that there was nothing to read as it was all picture illustrations....which I found irritating....

themax3000
12-14-2004, 06:23 PM
Good point, I'll have to take a look next time I'm over there, I do remember that there was nothing to read as it was all picture illustrations....which I found irritating....I have not yet seen one d/w installation manual mention the need for one (although I must admit, I do not read these with a fine-toothed comb!)

Terry
12-14-2004, 08:19 PM
http://www.whirlpool.com/assets/images/product/ZSMALLIMG/gu2600xtpq-sm-1.jpg

Whirlpool Dishwasher instructions (http://www.whirlpool.com/assets/pdfs/product/ZINSTALL/8535437.pdf)
Check these instructions, it does mention air gaps and high loops.

Do you ever have your installations inspected by a plunbing inspector?

What does the homeowner do when he does have the installation inspected?

I know that every area is different. I knew a plumber from Iowa that didn't know how to test the waste and vents on a home.
He never used water lines bigger than 3/4".
But I later found out that the plumbing inspector was his dad's best friend.

casman
12-15-2004, 08:43 AM
Hey those instructions would have been helpful, mine was all pictures. My profile had detailed instructions and did mention the loop or air-gap with options for when to use, said something about 18 inches....No I never had it inspected, I'm a lawyer not a plumber, in any event I'd have them plead the 5th if it came up.....