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Cookie
02-16-2012, 06:53 AM
Yikes...


Updated at 6:53 a.m. ET, Feb. 16. 2012
By Christopher Wanjek | LiveScience.com

When considering the world's worst killers, alcohol likely doesn't come to mind. Yet alcohol kills more than 2.5 million people annually, more than AIDS, malaria or tuberculosis.
For middle-income people, who constitute half the world's population, alcohol is the top health risk factor, greater than obesity, inactivity and even tobacco.
The World Health Organization has meticulously documented the extent of alcohol abuse in recent years and has published solid recommendations on how to reduce alcohol-related deaths, but this doesn't go far enough, according to Devi Sridhar, a health-policy expert at the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom.
In a commentary appearing today (Feb. 15) in the journal Nature, Sridhar argues that the WHO should regulate alcohol at the global level, enforcing such regulations as a minimum drinking age, zero-tolerance drunken driving, and bans on unlimited drink specials. Abiding by the regulations would be mandatory for the WHO's 194 member states.
Far from prohibition, the WHO regulations would force nations to strengthen weak drinking laws and better enforce laws already in place, Sridhar says.
Approaching a bottle a day
Alcohol consumption is measured in terms of pure ethyl alcohol to compensate for the varying strengths of beer, wine and spirits. A liter bottle of wine with 10 percent alcohol, for example, would be only 0.1 liter of pure alcohol. According to the WHO, Americans each drink 9.4 liters of ethyl alcohol per year on average. That's equivalent to 94 bottles of the aforementioned wine. [See list of top 20 booze-consuming countries]
As high as that might sound, Americans don't even crack the top 50 on the world charts. Europe, in particular Eastern Europe, dominates the drinking scene. Moldova has the top drinkers, downing 18.4 liters of alcohol per capita yearly. That's equivalent to 184 1-liter bottles of wine, or nearly four bottles a week per person. The legal drinking age in Moldova is 16, and there are few restrictions on when or where alcohol can be sold.
The price of such alcohol abuse is early death. One in five men in the Russian Federation and neighboring European countries dies as a result of alcohol, according to WHO data. Alcohol abuse is associated with cardiovascular diseases, cirrhosis of the liver, various cancers, violence and vehicle accidents. Alcoholic adults have difficulty working and supporting their families, too.
Sobering recommendations
Sridhar argues that the WHO is unique among health organizations in that it can create legally binding conventions. The WHO has done this only twice in its 64-year history: the International Health Regulations, which require countries to report certain disease outbreaks and public-health events; and the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, which commits governments to making legislative moves to reduce the demand for, and the supply of, tobacco.
No other entity can attack the global problem of alcohol abuse, she said. When it comes to alcohol, though, the WHO has settled on merely recommendations, such as those outlined in the 2010 WHO Global Strategy to Reduce Harmful Use of Alcohol.
"Countries are aware of the problem, but several haven't made a real commitment to implementing the recommendations," Sridhar told LiveScience. "The problem is not with ministries of health but with ministries of finance, trade, etc. who prioritize other interests first."
In her Nature commentary, Sridhar said that the existing WHO recommendations could serve as the framework for a new international convention on alcohol regulation. Yet even the United States would struggle to meet several of the 10 recommended target areas, which include advertising restrictions, price hikes and tougher laws against drunken driving.
"Ministries of health would have a stronger domestic negotiating position in prioritizing alcohol regulation above economic concerns," with the WHO muscle behind them, she wrote.
Alas, football ads might never be the same.
Correction: This article has been updated to correct Sridhar's affiliation, which should be the University of Oxford, not the University of Cambridge as had been stated.
Christopher Wanjek is the author of the books "Bad Medicine" and "Food At Work." His column, Bad Medicine, appears regularly on LiveScience.

BobL43
02-16-2012, 09:39 AM
Despite anything I may have said in any posts on this site that I'm a drinker. (like "Brrrrrp" or "I wote this last night after too many beer/margaretas, or whatever), I only drink 1 alcoholic drink ( a normal size, but very good, Margarita) a week normally. If I die from alcohol, it will have to be the result of somebody else's drunken driving. I hope that will never happen to me or anybody I know or love.

Hackney plumbing
02-16-2012, 12:14 PM
Three words.

NEW WORLD ORDER

ballvalve
02-16-2012, 12:35 PM
Drinking saves more lives than it takes. Unless you are an Indian or a Japanese that cant process it well.

After a day of juggling morons, a cocktail has saved many a life.

Cookie
02-16-2012, 06:44 PM
I just got home from work. Still got my face. But, I need a cool wine... :)
She loved me today, cause someone quit, and wants me to work more. Nah...I don't mind being disliked. lol

Terry
02-16-2012, 07:04 PM
He forgot to mention running with scissors. That's a bad one too. And if we ever got that guy on a ski slope, that would be banned too.
Is laughter a bad one? Some don't like to hear certain kinds of laughing. Especially the ones that snort when they laugh. What about diving in the water instead of jumping?
Wait, didn't this all happen before. In my parents day they had Prohibition. Yeah, that one worked out well.

Cookie, did you post this because I mentioned "getting your drink on." in my video?
If you don't have sound on your computer, you need to get that fixed.

And let the guy buy you a Lexus, and a new computer. It's okay to receive too. The people that run the churches don't mind receiving, in fact they pass plates around for just that purpose. That's what I learn on Sunday. I see them driving nicer cars than I do.

Cookie
02-16-2012, 07:53 PM
I got sound now, only because I am sharing my son's computer while my other son is fixing mine. Wait, my son is sharing his computer, I am not sharing anything, lol. I usually don't watch the news on tv, I read my news, this way I can pick & choose over what I want to be depressed about, angered about, or laugh about. I was reading about the drinking I am not sure why I was, I just was. I thought of Ian... I will buy him a drink, if he is okay. :)

About the guy, lol, no, I don't want anything that splashy, or expensive, I am like I said, simple, my husband used to call me Popeye because, I always, always would say, " I yam what I yam." I make no pretenses, what you see, what you hear, is what I am. I can be silly, funny, sad, whiny, bossy, angry, loving, (sexy) creative, smart (almost intelligent), stupid (almost brain-dead), but above all, I am what I am. I make no apologies and offer no reasons, lol.

I say "you know" too much, I write, "lol" too much, and I love smiley faces, and sea world, ice cream cones, The Mr. Bean car, The Marx Brothers, Ma & Pa Kettle, and, I don't like, stuffy people, know it alls, those without a sense of humor or won't laugh at my jokes, or smile at my funny faces I can make, and relatives. And, some bosses. Most people, :)

I like to pay my own way, I am my own person, I belonged to NOW when they had a membership of 2. I yam what I yam.

I like my old car, my old computer, and red stiltettos.

...and some red wine. :)


I almost forgot... on that video, you looked pretty relaxed, lol. what were you drinking? :)

Terry
02-16-2012, 08:23 PM
Well..........I had just gotten back from making the video at the club. It was two very nice pints of dark beer that tasted a bit like coffee. I wonder if Ian drinks stuff like that?
And yes, I was relaxed. That' may be why those words came out of my mouth like that.

Cookie
02-16-2012, 08:25 PM
You looked... very relaxed, lol. 2 pints you say? How many ounces in your pint?
I must add this, :) and, this, lol.

this is an addiction. lol, :)

Ian, counted them once, remember? and, he thought it went over my (smiley) head. :)

LOTW
02-17-2012, 09:39 AM
Yikes...


which include . . .price hikes

Money is always the rub. The state is more than happy to profit from my purchase of a $50 bottle of scotch and to turn me loose to pickle my liver with the same.

But if an uneducated kid living in Podunk distributes a little meth amongst his fellow Podunkees he's off to federal prison camp for 15 years, on our tax dollars.

Beer is $40 a case in Ontario and I don't believe its substance abuse problems have declined. There are horrible problems on First Nations reservations in Ontario.

LOTW
02-17-2012, 11:03 AM
The following newspaper aticle was written by Megan Ogilvie and is published in today's Toronto Star. It details some of the substance abuse problems on isolated reservations. Because the reservations are not accessible by road the problems are too easy to ignore:

The narcotic painkiller OxyContin will soon be pulled from ******** shelves across the country, and addiction experts warn the move will spark a public health crisis in Northern Ontario where thousands of people in remote communities face involuntary and potentially dangerous withdrawal from the addictive drug.

Purdue Pharma, the company that manufacturers OxyContin, is set to replace the controversial medication with a new formulation of the drug called OxyNEO at the end of February. The new drug is formulated in such a way that it is more difficult to crush, and therefore less likely to be abused through injecting or snorting.

Among the Nishnawbe Aski Nation, or NAN, which represents 49 First Nation communities in Northern Ontario, at least half of residents are addicted to OxyContin, said Grand Chief Stan Beardy.

“In some communities, it’s as high as 70 to 80 per cent of people addicted to OxyContin, including kids as young as 9 years old to people as old 65,” Beardy said.

“We are very concerned that if they cease manufacturing OxyContin and if there is no replacement or treatment or detox centres for these people, there is going to be a major catastrophe.”

He said health care in the communities is limited to nursing stations with visiting doctors coming to treat residents two or three days each month — not enough care to deal with the thousands of people who will be forced into withdrawal.

Benedikt Fischer, director of the Centre for Applied Research in Mental Health and Addictions at Vancouver’s Simon Fraser University, agrees the situation in Northern Ontario is dire.

“We are literally watching a public health catastrophe unfolding in slow motion,” he said, adding that the crisis is comparable to the spread of HIV among injection drug users in the 1980s and the overdose epidemic that hit Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside in the 1990s.

People forced off the powerful painkiller could replace it with heroin, crack cocaine and other dangerous drugs, and they will be more likely to inject drugs, increasing the spread of infectious diseases, said Fischer, who estimates 10,000 of the 45,000 NAN residents are addicted. And, he added, communities will likely see a spike in overdoses, a greater risk of miscarriage in pregnant women and a proliferation of crime.

On Thursday, Health Canada confirmed that as of Feb. 15 OxyContin had been pulled from the Non-Insured Health Benefits Program, which provides drug coverage for more than 800,000 registered First Nations and recognized Inuit.

However, a spokesperson for the agency said most of those addicted to OxyContin are not receiving the drug through government-funded legal prescriptions. Fewer than 100 NAN members get the drug paid for by the department, said Health Canada spokesperson Leslie Meerburg.

The Ontario Ministry of Health has not yet said how it will fund OxyNEO, nor is it clear how much OxyContin is stockpiled in the province.

“There is little concern of withdrawal for clients switching therapy from OxyContin to OxyNeo when taken as prescribed by a physician,” she said. “However, it is possible that some clients who obtained OxyContin through other sources may go into withdrawal when OxyContin is removed from the Canadian market and they are unable to find another source of supply.

“This is a concern for any individual who obtains and uses OxyContin outside of appropriate medical indications.”

Grand Chief Beardy acknowledged the vast majority of OxyContin abused by NAN residents is sold on the black market, with individual pills selling for between $300 and $600.

The potent painkiller has helped fuel an epidemic of opioid addiction in Canada. In Ontario, the rate of deaths involving narcotic painkillers went from 13.7 per million in 1991 to 27.2 per million in 2004.

On Feb. 6, the Cat Lake First Nation declared a state of emergency because 70 per cent of residents were addicted to OxyContin.

Beardy said he and others have called on the federal and provincial governments for help, but have received little response.

“We were asking for detox centres, treatment centres, frontline health professionals, including doctors, psychologists and psychiatrists,” he said.

Fischer said an emergency program needs to be put in place. Ideally, the rapid launch of prevention and treatment interventions should include, among other things, needle exchange programs to prevent the spread of infectious disease and providing addicts with substitution drugs, such as methadone or suboxone.

“We need to find ways to get these treatments to these communities as widely and effectively as possible,” he said.

Health Canada said the NIHB program covers methadone and suboxone, but recognizes that access to the drugs is a “significant issue” for those in remote locations.

“In such instances, the NIHB Program reviews requests from health providers on a case-by-case basis and will provide coverage for suboxone to help ensure First Nations clients have access to this drug without leaving their community,” Meerburg said.

Terry
02-17-2012, 11:22 AM
I specifically asked my doctors in November to not prescribe OxyContin for pain relief while I was in the hospital. He heard that I didn't want it, and he gave it to me anyway. I lasted about 20 hours on the stuff before I demanded that the nurse switch me over to something else. It does not play nice. I don't like what it does at all. And I have always wondered why it was a first choice when there are other meds that work with so much fewer problems. I hated the stuff in 2010 and asked for a different product then. It sucks.

Dilaudid or Hydromorphone is a much nicer product, at least for me. This last November, the surgeon did a good enough job that I only used it for two weeks after a major surgery and I was done. And then the rest was put in the trash. I hate pills.

Cookie
02-21-2012, 01:55 PM
In answer to your question Terry, about why it was and is a first choice in hospitals, the reason is simply, it is cost effective. Some people don't want to hear the truth about stuff, but, when dealing with insurance companies, it is money first, patient second. There are many times, the doctors know, something will work better and be easier on the patient, especially, when something is long-term, but, their are many times doctors won't tell you things because, simply, Terry, they make money on certain things. Like for instance, Terry, certain "trials" will pay an onc as much as 5 grand to get someone to enter into it. And, trials, are crapshoots. Even with GP's if they scribe, certain meds, it is cost effective to them. Some people don't want to know the truth when they adore their doctor, but, doctors are people, too. And, human. It is what it is. People need to be more verbal on things, especially, meds when they downright know, they experience unpleasant side effects. I can't take codeine, and a variety of things, it really tears my stomach apart, and I am verbal about it. No thanks... I hand the script back, with a smile, but, I hand it back. Bottom line, is, you got one life to live, live it well, and to your expectations.

BobL43
02-21-2012, 02:33 PM
In answer to your question Terry, about why it was and is a first choice in hospitals, the reason is simply, it is cost effective. Some people don't want to hear the truth about stuff, but, when dealing with insurance companies, it is money first, patient second. There are many times, the doctors know, something will work better and be easier on the patient, especially, when something is long-term, but, their are many times doctors won't tell you things because, simply, Terry, they make money on certain things. Like for instance, Terry, certain "trials" will pay an onc as much as 5 grand to get someone to enter into it. And, trials, are crapshoots. Even with GP's if they scribe, certain meds, it is cost effective to them. Some people don't want to know the truth when they adore their doctor, but, doctors are people, too. And, human. It is what it is. People need to be more verbal on things, especially, meds when they downright know, they experience unpleasant side effects. I can't take codeine, and a variety of things, it really tears my stomach apart, and I am verbal about it. No thanks... I hand the script back, with a smile, but, I hand it back. Bottom line, is, you got one life to live, live it well, and to your expectations. You go Girl!

Cookie
02-21-2012, 03:15 PM
Just, plainly speaking the truth.

BUT, I am editing this to add something really important regarding this for those reading who maybe, is contemplating a trial. Many trials can and are good trials, ESPECIALLY, for those who are running out of options, who taking an experimental, previously, untested drug could be of benefit. Those types of trials, are ones where you DO NOT get a placebo. You will actually, be getting a possible life-saving drug.

And, I believe doing your homework, being your own best friend and advocate is just as important as any drug you could get. It is important to ask questions. ASK, if the oncologist is getting paid for you enlisting into the trial, and my advice is, to get a second opinion if the answer is yes. THAT is just my opinion. Don't think for a second the oncologist wouldn't be asking questions if he was the patient. Trials can be good, trials can be bad. I personally, wouldn't want to end up with a placebo, and there, are those where you do not know if you are or not. Those trials are usually, for those in earlier stages, it is just my opinion that I want the real deal.

I tell the doctors, what I want. Drugs, tests, etc. I am not shy about wanting to live a good long life. I can't take certain medications and there is no way, I would take certain drugs and suffer because someone wants me to take something, when, there are other options, other medications. I would make myself heard.

ballvalve
03-05-2012, 09:55 AM
Certainly seems like a better idea to subsidize bud light for the Indians than to make them into criminal zombies by snorting powdered pain killers and airplane glue. When you are on the dole in a place with 3 hours of sunlight, and no need to hunt moose anymore, you get a bit bored.

Hackney plumbing
03-05-2012, 10:00 AM
Walmart almost killed my father.....filled the wrong prescription. They gave him somthing he wasn't even prescribed and it was a drug to lower blood pressure. He basically overdosed on blood pressure medicine......so bad the Dr. first thought his equipment was BROKEN.

Walmart excuse: "We all are human and make mistakes"

The Dr. went postal on them.......

All this happened yesterday and this morning......

Cookie
03-05-2012, 01:16 PM
I hope your dad is going to be okay. I don't much like Walmart for much of anything, not my kind of store. I agree we all are human and make mistakes, but, then, I feel we must be accountable for those mistakes. I truly do.

To say a remark like that is minimizing what they did wrong. It is wrong.

Cookie
03-05-2012, 07:14 PM
Is he okay?

ballvalve
03-06-2012, 12:01 PM
If not his kids are going to be very rich indeed. Maybe so even of he lives, with a good lawyer.

I feel like Im going to get TB or Ebola virus when I rub up with some of the zombies at the local wallyworld. Looks like the bar scene in 'Starwars'....Pretty much have decided the big boxes are totally dehumanizing, and only go for a very particular need.

I think one woman I saw there even had a tail.

Cookie
03-06-2012, 01:38 PM
Oh, don't count on lawyers to take just any old case. Trust me on that one. Back in 98, I was diagnosed with HD. Then, after being on 4 drugs for 8 months a piece, two-times now mind you, a total of 16 months, I found out, I was misdiagnosed with HD, I had a different kind, and therefore, was one the wrong drugs. Which explains why they maybe, didn't work. The doctor was so very slick, he said, I was just not on the "choice" drugs. The lawyers response to all of this? He told me I had to show long-term effect, and when I asked, "how" he said, I would have to die. Yeah, don't count on wrongs being righted. That is only in a fantasy world that happens. You don't even get so much an apology. Nothing. Zilch. You get told what his dad was told, " we are human and mistakes happen." Somehow, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Totally.

I don't like Walmart, it isn't the people, the people are fine here at least, it seems, I honestly, do not much like the smell, and that isn't the people either, lol, it is the smell of the merchandise. That, and for some reason, I just don't like much of their stuff either, and never found their prices cheaper, and after reading about Walmart's practices doesn't entice me much to shop their either.

Cookie
03-06-2012, 02:06 PM
Ballsvalve, you might enjoy this. This happened the other day. It was NOT funny that day, nor, the next, I was still bugged. But, today, is another day, and, I can laugh about it. You mentioned people, people with tails, etc, which made me laugh. Which made me think of the other day! Because I was looking at this doctor like he was from outer space, another planet. I had to go to an appointed doctor, ( not one of my choice) due to reasons beyond my control, lol., and, the doctor was Indian. I have nothing against anyone, anywhere, no how. But, I needed an interpreter for his version of English. The maddening part of this was because, I didn't, couldn't understand him. So, to set the scenario, there I am on the table with a papergown on, seriously, at his mercy. Which he had absolutely, none. First, I had still had on my socks. He was saying, something, God only knows what, lol, about my feet. It was about removing my socks. My socks? You want my socks off? and, then, when I took my socks off, he was saying something else. Over and over... it was... to put my socks in my coat pocket. MY COAT POCKET? WHAT? He was saying, that socks are dirty. I beg to differ on mine, plus, they were brand new! Never worn socks! But, hey, I obliged and then, he was saying to throw them on the floor. The floor? You want my socks on the floor? Why the floor? I got to know why... but, hey! I threw the socks on the floor, lol. I felt weird. Then, after the exam, thank God... he was asking me something else. There, I am still sitting there on the table in the papergown, with no socks on, lol, and, he was asking me something. Over and over... I said, once, " I am so sorry, but, I cannot understand you" and, he was getting louder and louder. Now, he finally said, and I could understand this, "Are you married?" I said, " I am widowed." I swear on anything holy he said, " I AM NOT ASKING YOU ABOUT YOUR HOUSE!" ... my what? my house?? I repeated myself, and he said, " no windows, no windows..." I started laughing. I said, " I AM WIDOWED." His face was mad looking and said, " are you MARRIED!"

I said, " my husband is deceased." He said, " I AM NOT ASKING ABOUT DISEASES!" I literally THREW my hand up, saying, " stop." And, he was now banging his pencil on the desk, and I am now, looking for my clothes.

I don't even care about my socks. He can keep them.

He got closer and took his hand and showed me his ring finger...saying, " married, married!"
NOW, I got MAD, and yelled, " FOR JESUS CHRIST MY HUSBAND IS DEAD! and with that, MADE A GESTURE OF SHOVELING DIRT... like charades!

Now, that, was crazy. And, Terry, NO embellishment for entertainment purposes, just the solid truth. I can laugh now, I think, I can still feel the hair raising on my back of my neck.

Cookie
03-06-2012, 02:07 PM
And, he had me move those socks once thrown on the floor, to another spot. Before that I had to move my tennis shoes to another spot. I sat them near the scale, but, he didn't want them there, lol. I was just getthing ready to open a window and throw them out. :)

I could see if they were smelly or something, lol, but, they are not! They are nice little shoes. I even said, to him, " they are just my socks" and, he wanted them where he wanted them. It was so bizarre, I swear he had more than a tail.

Wierdo rama.

BobL43
03-06-2012, 03:04 PM
At least he didn't tell you that you have Ed Zackary disease! Google it. never mind, I did it for you:p

http://www.health-forums.com/alt-support-stop-smoking/ot-joke-ed-zachary-disease-130756.html

Hackney plumbing
03-06-2012, 03:58 PM
Is he okay?

So far no issues from the medication but.....no he's not "ok". He has had some medical issues for the past couple years and he is the type that has always been strong and working on whatever he wanted to do. He is having a hard time accepting not being alble to do what he wants. He did not want to retire.But hey thats life,its not easy.

This was not a bigbox style Walmart..it was a neighborhood type smaller food/pharmacy walmart.

The store really doesn't matter the same guy could be filling at another pharmacy next week so we could change stores and end up with the same guy or one just like him.

Hackney plumbing
03-06-2012, 04:20 PM
I hope your dad does better.

Thanks I appreciate that. We hope he does better too. Actually this last episode may have been enough for them to get an idea on whats going on with him. Somtimes the patient knows things are not right and not feeling well but the patient is not sick enough to show up on any tests or be diagnosed.

Hopefully now we have somthing to work with and this new medicine may make a difference. Now that we have what we were suppose to have and not another pill to lower blood pressure.

The Dr said that if he had taken one more pill he likely would have died before anyone could do anything about it. You see the Dr gave him this new medicine and was going to start the dose out with two pills...but decided to only do one pill for a week or so. If he had directed to take 2 pills my father would have been on 3 blood pressure pills and a blood thinner.

Cookie
03-06-2012, 04:32 PM
At least he didn't tell you that you have Ed Zackary disease! Google it. never mind, I did it for you:p

http://www.health-forums.com/alt-support-stop-smoking/ot-joke-ed-zachary-disease-130756.html

That's pretty funny. :)

Once years ago, I went to the pharmacy in a supermarket here to pick up my meds, and I am allergic to penicillin, and, the pharmacist got my name confused with a first name similar, and the same exact last name. Hers was penicillin. I got out to the car with it, and was checking it out, and noticed it, taking it back inside right away. Paul, the pharmacist, was new, and he and I sat on the bench outside the pharmacy and he couldn't apologize enough, and was actually, crying. The mistake would had been huge for me. Well, he is now, and has been for years, now the manager of the pharmacy and even, when he had gotten married, I was invited to his wedding. We became very close friends. So, it can happen anywhere of course, people do make mistakes, people are human, but, Paul, didn't make excuses, he apologized and was so very genuinely sorry. That is what makes the difference. He held himself accountable. Instead of writing off his mistake, and writing off the possible damage he could had done to me. He made the difference in 2 words, " I'm sorry"... 3 if you don't use the contraction. :)

Hackney plumbing
03-06-2012, 04:55 PM
I went to a dr I had never been to before last year for a minor issue and was asked to fill out the new patient form and list all of my known drug allergies. No problem. As a child I had a very severe reaction to sulfa antibiotics. I printed it out on the form I was allergic to it.
The nurse while taking my blood pressure,weight,temp etc asked me if I was allergic to any drugs. I said "sulfa drugs" and even tell her about how horrible the reaction was......I was covered from head to toe and even in my mouth with red welps.
They didn't burn,itch or anything....but I looked like a FREAK and it scared the crap out of me. I was like that for 2 weeks before it faded.

Ok so the Dr prescribes what turns out to be a sulfa drug. The place I had the script filled also had my file that stated I was allergic to it.

I get to the car and open the bag and pop the antibiotic and take a pain pill and drive home.....3 minute trip.

I go in and eat a snack,take a shower and start reading over the medicine slips they give you that tells you all about the medicine and stuff...you know. So I decide to google the antibiotic and sure enough its a sulfa drug. I freak out and start looking for the Dr's discharge sheet that would have their phone number on it.....thats when I looked at the name on the top of it.......and it wasn't my name.........then I looked at the bottom of it and see that I had signed it.

Those jackbutts gave me some 10 year old boys discharge sheet with the wrong after care instructions and gave me an antibiotic I was highly allergic to.

I went to another Dr. the next day because I had a egg sized patch of skin on my arm turn red like a sunburn. That Dr. told me to go home and drink plenty of water and if it starts to burn,itch another spot pops up.....immediately go to the hospital and notify him right away. He said once you have a bad reaction to medicine it may only take ONE more dose to throw you into stevens Johnsons syndrome.

Cookie
03-06-2012, 05:49 PM
Amazing, isn't it? I know it was serious for you, but, the incredible mistakes, every time I hear something like that wows me to pieces. It really makes me wonder. You did everything right and then, some. You told the nurse, describing even the side effects, you filled out the paperwork, and they still, make a mistake that could be so huge. Amazing.


I know someone whose dad had stents put into his heart, and, back in the room from recovery, a nurse put a heart monitor on a table meant for holding the hospital food tray and it fell onto his chest. This is an elderly man. The bruising from this was horrendous, they had to do xrays and Ct's to make sure his pacemaker didn't get effected as well. It really makes you wonder doesn't it? On a hospital food tray? A big heavy heart monitor? Unbelievable, but true.

I never heard of Stevens Johnsons syndrome, can you tell me what that is please? and, by the way, that is the way it is with Penicillin, one reaction, you do not get a second chance, the next one, and usually, the reactions, from what I learned increases very badly.

LOTW
03-07-2012, 08:29 AM
Certainly seems like a better idea to subsidize bud light for the Indians than to make them into criminal zombies by snorting powdered pain killers and airplane glue. When you are on the dole in a place with 3 hours of sunlight, and no need to hunt moose anymore, you get a bit bored.

But there is a need to hunt moose, as the same provide a much needed and cost-effective protein source. The problem is that the local deer carry a brainworm parasite which somehow does not effect the deer but does decimate the moose and caribou populations. Thankfully, the wolves are slowly killing off the deer. Now what is needed is two or three realy harsh winters with lots of snow and -50 degree temperatures to really knock down the deer population. http://www.kenoradailyminerandnews.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3482293

I have more sympathy to the First Nations of Canada than I do, in general, for America's welfare dependant. A long series of broken treaties and abusive residential schools have done serious damage. And being in an isolated community with no opportunities but yet able to watch the outside world on the internet has to be discouraging.

LOTW
03-07-2012, 09:38 AM
Certainly seems like a better idea to subsidize bud light for the Indians than to make them into criminal zombies by snorting powdered pain killers and airplane glue. When you are on the dole in a place with 3 hours of sunlight, and no need to hunt moose anymore, you get a bit bored.

It's hard to find a good Canadian moose hunting joke these days, but here goes:

Two hunters got a pilot to fly them into the Canadian wilderness where they managed to bag two big Bull Moose.

As they were loading the plane to return, the pilot said the plane could only take the hunters, their gear and one Moose.

The hunters strongly objected saying: "Last year we shot two and the pilot let us take them both...and he had the exact same airplane as yours!"

Reluctantly, the pilot, not wanting to be outdone by another bush pilot, gave in and everything was loaded.

However, even under full power, the little plane couldn't handle the load and went down, crashing in the wooded wilderness.

Somehow, surrounded by the moose, clothing and sleeping bags, Stosh and Stan survived the crash.

After climbing out of the wreckage, Stosh asked Stan: "Any idea where we are?"

Stan replied: "I think we're pretty close to where we crashed last year!"

ballvalve
03-07-2012, 05:27 PM
I paid my last visit to a India Indian doctress last week. Her office looks like a d- hotel lobby in Calcutta, same air for 10 years inside.

absolutely just an in and out burger sort of deal, no interest in finding a solution to my issue. Had my six year old kid along and we went back to her office a moment after leaving to ask a question and he went to sit down on a basic chair.... and she screamed at him not to sit as she had just "sterilized" it [he was sitting there before] maybe she thinks his butt is as dirty as hers.... The office should be burned, not sterilized.

She has a sofa in her waiting room that I would'nt put on a mobile home porch in Alabama. But she "sterilizes" her 8$ folding chair my kid sat on. She probably wanted to kill the crabs he picked up in the waiting room sofa.

The India call centers are spending big money to make them learn fake American accents. Just hang up.

Cookie
03-07-2012, 07:42 PM
I have experience, too many doctors here in the US, that should not be practicing until, they learn to speak and understand our language. It is really sorrowful, when they can't understand us, and we can't understand them, things with the medical is very important to know what is being said. I would love to see some of there notes they write. It makes me wonder. My son, by the way, would had sat in that chair.

Sometimes, I think people are just born nasty. I was at work tonite, and this horrible, horrible woman was yelling at me, (this is my part time job) because the top was not on sale but in the clearance rack. It happens! I didn't put it there. So, she said, " i am getting your name before I leave and reporting you to the manager." Right then, and there, I got a paper and wrote it down, and handed her the managers business card, saying, " you do what you have to do."

This went on, all the while I rung up the top. She said, I was rude. She said, and I quote, and this is funny, when I got home, I was telling my son, and we were laughing, she said, " I have been a nurse for 26 years and I have dealt with cancer patients and not once was I ever rude!" I SAID, " I have BEEN a cancer PATIENT for 14 years, and I met A LOT OF RUDE NURSES, ALOT OF YOU SUCK!"

Her face turned purple, her mouth dropped, veins popped out and she took her top and, I said, " have a nice day!"

Then, I went to Kmart, somewhat better than Walmart, and bought my cat, dog food. By mistake. He sniffed it, the younger one Thomas, said, no way, he knew it was grind-up dead horse; and, Bob the other older one said, he would try it. Then, I walked into the livingroom and stepped in it. I went to clean up the mess that didn't agree with him, obviously, and found, I am out of paper towels. So, I tried to clean it with Scott's thin, very thin, TP. Not too well.

Then, son asked me to what I thought he said, was to type 14 pages of stuff for him for work. I obliged. All 14 pages. Only to find out, he already typed it, and asked me to print it out!

Then, realized... I forgot his birthday! I am a bad mom. I got him a card, but no cake, no presents nothing. That was my day. lol. How was yours? :)

I don't know if anyone knows this here, but, if you call certain companies, and get the outsourced business, usually, in India, you can ask for the USA, and get it, you might have to actually, wait a few minutes, but, a true English speaking person, located in the US, will come on. I do it because, sometimes, it is too difficult for me. I get very frustrated trying to figure out what is being said, and if it concerns something of importance I like to know, I hearing right.

LOTW
03-08-2012, 10:03 AM
This article appears in today's Kenora Daily Miner and News. When I read it I came away with the impression that no one has a real clue regarding what to expect and how to handle the situation. can you imagine 70% of a community being addicted to the same drug?

Response to Oxycontin withdrawal will take entire community: Arthurs
By Jon Thompson

The opium-based painkiller and street drug Oxycontin ceased production a week ago and while First Nations leaders in particular have been calling for a strategy to address the widespread withdrawal Northern Ontario is expected to experience when underground supplies run out, no new plan has been deployed at any level.

On Wednesday, the top executive in the Northwestern Health Unit announced no one person can manage a response and called for the entire community to respond.

“My entire 52-year career doing this has been involving all the opioids in one way or another,” said Dr. Jim Arthurs, who took the helm as medical officer of health in 2008 after working as a pharmacist, a family physician and an emergency room doctor.

“I ask myself, what is the definition of a crisis? This started in written time 15 centuries ago and in verbal communication time, that some people remember and were able to pass down, it was centuries before that. This plant has been a problem in some parts and all over the world for 36 centuries and nothing anyone has done has been able to solve it yet.”

It was in his teens as a pharmacy student in Ohio when Arthurs first experienced the “ravages” of opioid addiction. A double amputee casualty of either the Second World War or the Korean War that he had watched receive larger doses of painkiller drugs for years pulled a knife and robbed the pharmacy because his doctor wouldn’t prescribe the drug.

Arthurs became emotional as he recalled seeing the same patients coming in to the emergency rooms of the United States day in and day out his 25-year career. Ultimately, that helpless emotion led him to a career in public health.

“I moved here not knowing anyone in this town and now, I know almost everybody who comes in through the ER door? Something’s wrong with that. This was a city of 30,000 people.”

Despite having attended university in the exploratory 1960s, Arthurs has never been a drug user and counts himself fortunate the allure of learning kept his attention through those years. As the media attention around discontinuing Oxycontin soared last week, he found himself awake at 2 a.m., writing some reflections in anticipation of having to answer the question as to why nothing has been planned to address the widespread narcotic withdrawal that could already be underway. His thoughts returned to his freshman year, when then recently elected president John F. Kennedy said, “Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.”

Philosophically, he thought, that’s where a strategy could begin.

“The First Nations want us to help. That’s understandable. Other people might be asking me or the health unit or the hospital, ‘what are you going to do about this?’ I can’t do anything,” he said. “I’ll help collect information but I can’t do anything. I have open doors with the Ministry of Health so I’m a good funnel but I need this community and this entire area to come together and talk about this.”

The Ministry of Health intends to assemble a group of experts to address the issue for the province but Arthurs’ vision is to develop grassroots conversations in Kenora and Northwestern Ontario to tackle the local nuances. He established an email address dedicated to incoming offers of support and ideas from health professionals and the community at large (talkpublichealth@nwhu.on.ca).


“What I will insist on is we’re not going to talk about blame,” he said. “There’s nobody in this room who hasn’t been there in terms of complaining about other people but it’s not going to help. What I’ll be searching for in comments is, what can you do or what can I do? How can we expand on what works? How can we quit doing what doesn’t work?”

Cookie
03-08-2012, 03:13 PM
Well, I don't have the answers to that at all, if I did I would surely, use it, that is a big quest, how do we quit doing what doesn't work? I question so much that I feel like the guy in the suit with the question marks all over him, lol, and to be honest, it isn't even really funny. Now, listen to this, tell me what you think, tell me if I did right, I don't care if you or anyone disagrees that is fine. I will set the scenario, ( i love to say that, lol.) I feel like a filmmaker. I was standing at the sink, doing dishes by hand. I have a dishwasher, but, ( this is truthful) I love doing dishes, it soothes my soul. I play the radio, maybe, talk on the phone with someone, ( speaker phone of course) and, look out the window. Now, I am watching the workmen, about 200 feet back on the edge of my property dumping buckets of white stuff over the fence, into my garden area. I see them, walking and laughing, and pointing to that spot... My neighbor who has this sprawling, Brady Bunch house, from that era, is having some flooring done it seems. I saw them taking out rug and vinyl. I thought the other day I saw them dumping something, and then, thought, nah, I am not seeing right through the trees, but, not so, I saw right. I headed outside in the rain, in socks, lol, and, stand on the deck looking at this stuff and missed the workmen they went inside. So, now, I am down in the yard, and calling over to my neighbor who owns that house, and owns a realty company, to come outside. No one did. Well, back up on the deck. Finally, the workmen comes out and I yelled over asking what that WHITE stuff is? He said, he didn't dump anything, and, I told him, I saw him, and being I got a huge history cancer, WANTED to know what that stuff was. You all know, what white stuff I thought this powder was.

He said, "dust." So, now, I asked him, why he was dumping it in MY garden area IF it was JUST dust! I had my phone, standing in socks in a downpour, calling the police. And, I told him, I was calling the police. He said, " go ahead." I did.

So, they came over, and walked the area and sure here comes the workmen with the buckets and told him, it was drywall dust. Funny, I don't mean to sound like Mrs. Cravass off of the old show Bewitched, but, I didn't see any drywall going in or out.

I called my neighbor whose garden area joins mine, and warned him of the potential he might have "hot" tomatoes this season.

These were Mexicans, and nothing against them, but, we don't dump in someone else's yard, and, he told the cops he was just emptying their shopvac. But, the cops said they seemed nice enough. Nice? Nice? they were dumping and laughing at dumping stuff in my garden area, anyone could clearly, see this was a garden area.

And, it wasn't a shopvac, either. It was buckets of white stuff, 5 gallon buckets. And, the police, never even took down their names or went over the hedges and fence. They were young.
All kinds, takes all kinds.

Would you put your garden there? I was going to get it rotor tilled, the dirt is great there, but, now, I am not real sure about this.

Hackney plumbing
03-08-2012, 03:23 PM
Well, I don't have the answers to that at all, if I did I would surely, use it, that is a big quest, how do we quit doing what doesn't work? I question so much that I feel like the guy in the suit with the question marks all over him, lol, and to be honest, it isn't even really funny. Now, listen to this, tell me what you think, tell me if I did right, I don't care if you or anyone disagrees that is fine. I will set the scenario, ( i love to say that, lol.) I feel like a filmmaker. I was standing at the sink, doing dishes by hand. I have a dishwasher, but, ( this is truthful) I love doing dishes, it soothes my soul. I play the radio, maybe, talk on the phone with someone, ( speaker phone of course) and, look out the window. Now, I am watching the workmen, about 200 feet back on the edge of my property dumping buckets of white stuff over the fence, into my garden area. I see them, walking and laughing, and pointing to that spot... My neighbor who has this sprawling, Brady Bunch house, from that era, is having some flooring done it seems. I saw them taking out rug and vinyl. I thought the other day I saw them dumping something, and then, thought, nah, I am not seeing right through the trees, but, not so, I saw right. I headed outside in the rain, in socks, lol, and, stand on the deck looking at this stuff and missed the workmen they went inside. So, now, I am down in the yard, and calling over to my neighbor who owns that house, and owns a realty company, to come outside. No one did. Well, back up on the deck. Finally, the workmen comes out and I yelled over asking what that WHITE stuff is? He said, he didn't dump anything, and, I told him, I saw him, and being I got a huge history cancer, WANTED to know what that stuff was. You all know, what white stuff I thought this powder was.

He said, "dust." So, now, I asked him, why he was dumping it in MY garden area IF it was JUST dust! I had my phone, standing in socks in a downpour, calling the police. And, I told him, I was calling the police. He said, " go ahead." I did.

So, they came over, and walked the area and sure here comes the workmen with the buckets and told him, it was drywall dust. Funny, I don't mean to sound like Mrs. Cravass off of the old show Bewitched, but, I didn't see any drywall going in or out.

I called my neighbor whose garden area joins mine, and warned him of the potential he might have "hot" tomatoes this season.

These were Mexicans, and nothing against them, but, we don't dump in someone else's yard, and, he told the cops he was just emptying their shopvac. But, the cops said they seemed nice enough. Nice? Nice? they were dumping and laughing at dumping stuff in my garden area, anyone could clearly, see this was a garden area.

All kinds, takes all kinds.

I would have never dumped anything into a neighbors yard. I cant say online what I would have done but they probably would have been the ones calling the police when it was all said and done.

Terry
03-08-2012, 03:29 PM
It was probably just asbestos. How old is your neighbors house?

I didn't know it was legal to dump building materials on the neighbors yard. Your neighbor should have kept it in his yard.

Cookie
03-08-2012, 03:56 PM
Oh, I was mad Hackey... And, I tried not to be anything but 'civil' but, sometimes, it gets tough to be when so much stupid injustices occur. I love it, when I am able to fix something, to make a wrong, right. My neighbor, whom, I love, Mike, just called, and he said, he will take a look tomorrow, he saw it from his deck and said, he was concerned a bit, too. By looking at it. He is going to take a better look when it is light out but, it is now really raining so hard. I think, I will just put my garden elsewhere, this spring. Mike, was so sad sounding, because he got his seeds from Italy years ago, and he loves his garden, he plants only tomatoes and beans. He sounded so bummed out. He doesn't want to ask for more problems either. It is sad that people won't do what is right, just do what is right, to pick just the right decision. Mike and I do our gardens together, and we have so much fun. He is an older man, and, one year I hit him right between the eyes with a squash, by throwing it over the fence. But, he kept saying, when I asked him if he wanted a squash, to throw it over the fence. Well, I threw it, lol. And, we never laughed so hard. It is sad to think, we won't do our garden together this year but, honestly, I can't take the chance. Neither can Mike really. Sad, just sad to do to someone. I feel bad for Mike. He has been like a dad to me for 18 years. The house in the back, is a Brady Bunch style house. To be honest, I really hate those. It is probably from the 60's and loaded with it. I don't know if the owner knows about this or not, this was done by the contractor.

This wouldn't be exactly, organic gardening.

Cookie
03-08-2012, 04:54 PM
How many people would had done something about this? or ignored it?

Hackney plumbing
03-08-2012, 05:00 PM
How many people would had done something about this? or ignored it?

I woulda went nuts. Especially if theres a fence up and they dumped it over the fence. I would have foamed at the mouth on that one.

Cookie
03-08-2012, 05:11 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you Hackney! Reason being, I did. I stood there at the sink and was in disbelief as to what I was seeing! I was outside standing in my socks on the deck in the rain, with a phone seething...Yeah, they were laughing, and the fence is probably a 6 footer and, they reached over it and dumped it. Then, told me, that it "blew" in my direction. It was all dumped in our gardens. I called a friend, said, " do I call the cops?" he said, " I would." I did. Would you?

Cookie
03-08-2012, 05:14 PM
How many people would had called the cops? Did I do right? The contractors told the cops they won't do it anymore. They didn't even take their names.

Terry
03-08-2012, 05:14 PM
I would just take a shovel and throw it back over the fence and be laughing just as much as they were when they did it to me the first time. It goes back to where it came from. Are you living in Dogpatch? The guy in the red shirt kind looks like me

Cookie
03-08-2012, 05:47 PM
You do look like that guy! that is funny. I wasn't sure, still not what he dumped over the fence. It was crazy. It is kind of like Dogpatch because they also, got 2 St. Benards and 1, Sausage dog, and they are lapsed in cleaning up. In the summer it stinks at times. I wish they would move.


I figure when, I see someone sitting in that pink chemo chair with me, sharing with me what I need, then, people can smoke around me, until, then, I will stuff the ciggie up their nose, and the next time, someone dumps anything even remotely, looking like the bad white stuff on my prop, I will do as Terry suggested, shovel it back over. Mike was funny on the phone, he said, " you are a scrapper." lol.

Cookie
03-09-2012, 04:25 PM
Hackney, read this, if you didn't see it already, this is just messed up,
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/health-26594251/cvs-pharmacy-mistakenly-gives-kids-cancer-pills-28504361.html

Cookie
03-09-2012, 09:31 PM
Yeah, that kind of mistake is disgusting, even if, I say so, myself, lol.

Hackney plumbing
03-10-2012, 05:47 AM
Yeah it is,I was told that when a mistake happens like that more than one person makes it. Atleast two people check the scrips.