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Ian Gills
10-26-2011, 11:12 AM
Is America still living under the legacy of prohibition?

It seems senseless to limit alcohol sales to certain times or certain stores.

Are there those among you who still view saloons as "evil"?

I'm worried that American parents of the prohibition era have passed down their beliefs, so that we have Americans alive now living with personal values better suited to a era that is long gone.

And why drug test welfare recipients?

That's nonsense. We don't test people who might use their welfare check to buy a gun or do a parachute jump.

Terry
10-26-2011, 11:21 AM
And why drug test welfare recipients?



There was a story about Madonna's brother on television yesterday. In and out of drug rehab and now living on the streets. The entire time he was being interviewed, he was smoking and sounding a little drunk.
What would be the purpose of drug testing people that can't hold a job? It would just put more people living under bridges and in the forest.
There are people that suffer with all kinds of problems; that will always be the case. If someone has an addiction, giving them a drug test isn't going to "cure" it.
The alternative, is to withhold all help, which means they will need to provide somehow. That normally means breaking into homes until they get caught and they get provided with bedding in a local jail.
Do the math. Welfare that gets them by, or full time care with guards in a high security facility.
Would it be my choice? Oh heck no. But then my life has been easy. I like doing what I do, and that easily provides a living. Mainly because I like to do it.

LOTW
10-26-2011, 11:41 AM
Here in "The Heartland" we have a huge methamphetimine problem and the politician/prosecutors method of dealing with this problem is to throw the addicts/offenders into prison for insanely long amounts of time. Ten or twenty years for cooking a small batch is not uncommon. This is a senseless way of dealing with a public health problem. The solution, if there is one, has to involve early intervention and education to acquire job skills. I am beginning to think that kids need to be removed from unfit parents at a very early age and without waiting for it to be too late.

ballvalve
10-26-2011, 11:59 AM
Is America still living under the legacy of prohibition?

It seems senseless to limit alcohol sales to certain times or certain stores.

Are there those among you who still view saloons as "evil"?

I'm worried that American parents of the prohibition era have passed down their beliefs, so that we have Americans alive now living with personal values better suited to a era that is long gone.

And why drug test welfare recipients?

That's nonsense. We don't test people who might use their welfare check to buy a gun or do a parachute jump.

You only get buy times in religious nut areas or in the big cities, where the guys with big gold chains and baggy pants and speakers spouting rap about murdering a cop, that makes your windshield vibrate, proliferate after dark.

How many of you have had to bite a bullet to keep and reaching under the seat for your .45 and shooting the gang bangers that play music so loud that you can see their car doors bulging out? Or your walking stick in Ians case.....

Tom Sawyer
10-26-2011, 05:04 PM
I don't know about where you live but around here the bar scene is pretty much dead. Due to liability bars limit the number of drinks you can have and naturally all the cops hang around waiting for closing time so they can arrest people for drunk driving. Add no smoking in bars anymore to the mix and you can see why bars are having a tough go of it lately. It's all about the liability these days. I suspect there are more folks smoking dope now than drinking alcohol.

BobL43
10-26-2011, 07:19 PM
Is America still living under the legacy of prohibition?

It seems senseless to limit alcohol sales to certain times or certain stores.

Are there those among you who still view saloons as "evil"?

I'm worried that American parents of the prohibition era have passed down their beliefs, so that we have Americans alive now living with personal values better suited to a era that is long gone.

And why drug test welfare recipients?

That's nonsense. We don't test people who might use their welfare check to buy a gun or do a parachute jump. when we look in the mirror, we see ourselves in reverse. what do you see, a genius? Drugs are not just addictive, they are dangerous, much more than alcohol, and because they are illegal, they create criminals of those who need it, but cannot afford it. Legalizing drugs and taxing them like alcohol will take away the criminal part and help the situation somewhat, but not all. A drink or 2 once in a while is great, I'll drink to that. I just looked, and I see my genious in the mirror. DUH!

leejosepho
10-26-2011, 07:27 PM
... bars limit the number of drinks ... all the cops hang around ... no smoking ...
The smoking ban was the largest factor that ultimately closed down a large iconic bowling alley with a bar and pool tables and an arcade in my hometown, but I had the kind of parents Ian had mentioned and had never been allowed to go there anyway ...

No great loss, I say!

LOTW
10-27-2011, 06:56 AM
The smoking ban was the largest factor that ultimately closed down a large iconic bowling alley with a bar and pool tables and an arcade in my hometown, but I had the kind of parents Ian had mentioned and had never been allowed to go there anyway ...

No great loss, I say!

Good points. In Iowa, the smoking ban applies to bars. Except that the casino owners had enough political influence and got an exemption for casinos. And the casinos have arranged for cheap bus service as public transportation for the lonely old ladies to come on down and squander their social security checks and have set up a buffet full of fatty foods for them. So you can smoke, drink, commit gluttony, and gamble at the same location. One stop sinning. And since there is public transportation to this debauchery, even Ian should approve.

BobL43
10-27-2011, 07:07 AM
Good points. In Iowa, the smoking ban applies to bars. Except that the casino owners had enough political influence and got an exemption for casinos. And the casinos have arranged for cheap bus service as public transportation for the lonely old ladies to come on down and squander their social security checks and have set up a buffet full of fatty foods for them. So you can smoke, drink, commit gluttony, and gamble at the same location. One stop sinning. And since there is public transportation to this debauchery, even Ian should approve. something for everybody. maybe commit more than gluttony, even in their senior years if the hubbies stay home (If still alive).

leejosepho
10-27-2011, 07:52 AM
... cheap bus service as public transportation for the lonely old ladies to come on down and squander their social security checks ...
I used to drive a cab, and we also occasionally got some nice-paying welfare runs to "the boat" at the first of the month!

And then, of course, have you ever noticed how strategically certain supermarkets time some of their pricings?

BobL43
10-27-2011, 08:09 AM
Is America still living under the legacy of prohibition?

It seems senseless to limit alcohol sales to certain times or certain stores.

Are there those among you who still view saloons as "evil"?

I'm worried that American parents of the prohibition era have passed down their beliefs, so that we have Americans alive now living with personal values better suited to a era that is long gone.

And why drug test welfare recipients?

That's nonsense. We don't test people who might use their welfare check to buy a gun or do a parachute jump.

Getting a welfare check, you need to remember, is coming from all the people who have paid taxes to make that possible. Being on drugs is not something the taxpayers want or need to support, and the tests will show whether they are using. Buying a gun or 2 is a lot cheaper........nah, never mind that. We just do not want to support bad habits. Let those with bad habits pay their own way, like the monstrous tax on tobacco, which does not seem to stop them anyway. Most insurance companies won't insure them, at least not at the same premium costs. And the wlfare checks are supposed to go for food and rent assistance, not drugs. feed your kids, not your habit.

LOTW
10-27-2011, 08:25 AM
feed your kids, not your habit.

Re feeding kids, once section 8 benefits are accepted any further gestation should be grounds for cancelling these benefits.

BobL43
10-27-2011, 08:51 AM
Re feeding kids, once section 8 benefits are accepted any further gestation should be grounds for cancelling these benefits. Amen friend!

Cookie
10-27-2011, 10:00 AM
ah oh, don't read this Ian, don't read it, you will go blind. ;)

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/poll-gun-ownership-20-high-140452521.html

ballvalve
10-27-2011, 10:18 AM
Section 8 benefits need require implantable birth control devices as condition to approval.

LOTW
10-27-2011, 10:38 AM
Section 8 benefits need require implantable birth control devices as condition to approval.

Perhaps, but the failure rate for such devices is high. And mandatory sterilization may be unconstitutional.

Ian Gills
10-27-2011, 12:50 PM
And since there is public transportation to this debauchery, even Ian should approve.

I do. You preach freedom here. So let's see some!

LOTW
10-28-2011, 06:46 AM
I do. You preach freedom here. So let's see some!

I am not saying that it should be illegal for the old ladies to sin, just that it is a foolish waste of money.

An upbringing based on the Good Reverend John Calvin requires me to associate fun and spending money with foolishness.

Ian Gills
10-28-2011, 07:08 AM
Sins to the self aren't really sin are they?

I mean, the general jist is that it's God's body not yours so you'd best take care of it.

I wish he'd take care of the pay check. It'd make taking care of this body of his a lot easier.

But if we're really honest with ourselves we all know the reason why we have churches and religions.

It's the best way to stop the poor from robbing and killing the rich for fear of what happens in the afterlife.

Clever eh?

BobL43
10-28-2011, 07:26 AM
Sins to the self aren't really sin are they?

I mean, the general jist is that it's God's body not yours so you'd best take care of it.

I wish he'd take care of the pay check. It'd make taking care of this body of his a lot easier.

But if we're really honest with ourselves we all know the reason why we have churches and religions.

It's the best way to stop the poor from robbing and killing the rich for fear of what happens in the afterlife.

Clever eh?

I'm not sure that works well though. the Mafia gangsters did their killings and went to church on Sundays, and back to killing again anyway. never understood that. You could be right, but there is our God anyway, religeons or not. Religeons are a dime a dozen.

LOTW
10-28-2011, 07:54 AM
But if we're really honest with ourselves we all know the reason why we have churches and religions.

It's the best way to stop the poor from robbing and killing the rich for fear of what happens in the afterlife.

Clever eh?

Actually, religion exists because is the best way to convince everyone, of all incomes, to give money so that "The Church" (whatever that may be) and its leaders can acquire wealth. Religions make Bernie Madoff look like a two bit carnie. Religions are very expensive to operate. Jim Jones had a huge kool aide bill. And the Oblates had to build all those missions in northern Canada to have access to children to abuse.

BobL43
10-28-2011, 08:34 AM
Actually, religion exists because is the best way to convince everyone, of all incomes, to give money so that "The Church" (whatever that may be) and its leaders can acquire wealth. Religions make Bernie Madoff look like a two bit carnie. Religions are very expensive to operate. Jim Jones had a huge kool aide bill. And the Oblates had to build all those missions in northern Canada to have access to children to abuse. s'funny! LOL

leejosepho
10-28-2011, 08:52 AM
An upbringing based on the Good Reverend John Calvin requires me to associate fun and spending money with foolishness.
Like never making love while standing lest someone suspect you of dancing?!

BobL43
10-28-2011, 09:05 AM
Is America still living under the legacy of prohibition?

It seems senseless to limit alcohol sales to certain times or certain stores.

Are there those among you who still view saloons as "evil"?

I'm worried that American parents of the prohibition era have passed down their beliefs, so that we have Americans alive now living with personal values better suited to a era that is long gone.

And why drug test welfare recipients?

That's nonsense. We don't test people who might use their welfare check to buy a gun or do a parachute jump.

An important thing to remember here is that Social Security checks are getting back,eventually what you already paid in with your own money your whole life, and if you want to piss that away on drinking, dancing and doing the hootchy coo, its your business. Getting Welfare checks from the government as a reward for having kids you can't afford is not the same; you should be spending that money as said before, on feeding you kids, not your habit. worth saying again, in my opinion.

ballvalve
10-28-2011, 11:11 AM
Perhaps, but the failure rate for such devices is high. And mandatory sterilization may be unconstitutional.

That pesky constitution. We need a king.