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BobL43
08-29-2011, 06:12 AM
I posted a new thread here, cause that Hurricane one is long in the tooth already. This is copied from there, though:


http://www.terrylove.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by BobL43 http://www.terrylove.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?p=310891#post310891)
LL,


Taxes are probably lower than yours in Montana, but I don't think that's where I want to live.

No Palace, as I wrote in response to one of Cookies posts. but the cost of living in the NY Metro area is extreme. I don't know how the pay-scales compare to the rest of the US or Canada, though. Everything is normally relative. I never felt that I was overpaid, who does?;)




Cookie's Reply:

It would be interesting to know how the prop taxes are done there, if separate always on land and structure, or both? How the laws play to it? And, lastly, if it is related to earnings? A comparision would be neat.

I know Ian sometimes doesn't understand how complicated the tax laws are and what is involved, it just isn't that simple. Especially, real estate law.


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On Long Island, if you earn big bucks, you live in a rich neighboorhood and pay the bigger taxes there; if you live in my neighborhood and are wealthy, you would be crazy, but your taxes would be the same as mine are based on the size of the land and house value. When you make a major home improvement, or enlarge your house, your taxes go up based on the new value of the home. Add a deck, taxes go up; finish the basement, taxes go up. put in central air: guess what- taxes go up. It is suffocating. About a half mile away from me, is one of Ian's examples of good government: County is paying an apartment complex to provide section 8 housing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_(housing) to help the underpriveledged folks who seem not to be able to afford anything except drugs a cheap place to live. 3 days ago, a druggie stopped her car across the street from my house, overdosed herself and her car rolled 50 feet on my neighbor's lawn and crashen into a boulder on the lawn. We successfully woke her up. She was turning blue, the 2/3 empty syringe of whatever she gave herself was layin on the console of ther car. we called 911. medics came, police came, fire dept came. cops would not arrest her on drug possesion because they said they had no way to prove she had used drugs. she said when asked that she was not a diabetic, and had no idea of why that syringe was there, but her arm had several needle marks.She got out of her car, tossed her cookies (sorry Cookie) a few times and the ambulance took her away. I feel sorry for her, but my taxes paid for all that service that was not an emergency. Nobody wants their kids to get that way. I hope if I need emergency help one day, it will be available, and the crew I'll need to save my life was not out on a self inflicted emergency. I also get a kick out of these jerks that do dangerous things like surf in these dangerous hurricane driven waters and cause rescue teams to risk their lives in trying to save those lame ass inconsiderate morons.

AHH, that feels better! me starting a complaint in Ian's corner instead of the furner!

LLigetfa
08-29-2011, 06:32 AM
I have a 1 1/2 storey country style home so I never know how to calculate the sq footage. It's 1200 sq ft on the ground floor and a little less upstairs because of the 12/12 sloped roof. The taxes haven't changed all that much since I built the place. It is a rural municipality so there is not a lot of services provided. Volunteer fire and roads is about it. We share a building inspector with neighbouring municipalities. I have a septic system, a well, a GSD bitch to guard the place, and I pay separately for garbage collection.

I have not compared tax rates lately but in town they were paying about twice what I pay. Of course they have more services

BobL43
08-29-2011, 06:47 AM
I have a 1 1/2 storey country style home so I never know how to calculate the sq footage. It's 1200 sq ft on the ground floor and a little less upstairs because of the 12/12 sloped roof. The taxes haven't changed all that much since I built the place. It is a rural municipality so there is not a lot of services provided. Volunteer fire and roads is about it. We share a building inspector with neighbouring municipalities. I have a septic system, a well, a GSD bitch to guard the place, and I pay separately for garbage collection.

I have not compared tax rates lately but in town they were paying about twice what I pay. Of course they have more services

LL, my house is only 2100 sq ft. No public sewer system. Cesspools are the most common system here on Llong Island, although there are some communities that have public sewage systems and pay addional taxes for them. I do have public water, which is metered, of course. Police dept, garbage collection, school taxes are included in real estate taxes. 70% or more of the RE taxes go to the school district. I have not had any kids in school since 1986. fire dept is Volunteer too, although the buildings and their vehicles, I am not sure if they are publicly owned.

LOTW
08-29-2011, 07:25 AM
In Iowa the big variable is the type of property. Residential property where I live is taxed at about 1 1/2 to 2% of its fair market value yearly. The largest portion of this goes to schools. And there is a local income tax surtax and a local sales tax that is also directed to the schools. Commercial property is taxed at about twice what residential property is. The real winners are farmers-annual taxes on some farmland we own amounts to about .3% of its fair market value.

Ian Gills
08-29-2011, 08:12 AM
If you don't like your property taxes, move somewhere (or into something) where they are cheaper.

America is actually pretty good when it comes to property taxes. Most other countries use "bands" so houses within a specific range of values pay the same in tax. While it keeps the adminstration costs of the tax much lower this is less fair.

In America, you get assessed every few years on your individual home so everyones valuation is customized. My taxes are lower than my neighbors' because even though we live in the same size and style of homes, they have been able to afford to pay for better upkeep and modifications. That is fair. In England, we'd all pay the same in tax if we lived in the same style of houses in the same street. Which is less fair.

The problem, of course, comes with people of Bob's age and above. What do we do about old people who want to continue living in their homes but cannot afford to pay the taxes?

In England, they would pay a lower rate. We should have that here as well, at least for the elderly on lower retirement incomes.

Then it becomes a matter of whether Americans care as much for their elderly as the English? I doubt it.

LLigetfa
08-29-2011, 08:33 AM
If you don't like your property taxes, move somewhere (or into something) where they are cheaper...One's options may be limited by where they work as a 2 - 3 hour daily commute and taxiing kids around might not be viable. Then you need two or more reliable vehicles.

I don't live where I live to evade taxes. Basically I don't like having close neighbours so the only way to keep them away is to surround yourself with several acres that serve little other useful purpose and becomes a chore to maintain.

Income or sales tax I have less of an issue with since it is somewhat geared toward your ability to pay and has specific exemptions. A couple that makes more than me, breeds like rabbits, pisses away their money, and choose to live in meager quarters, is more of a burden on the services and school district yet pays pays way less than us that choose to put more of our money into our home rather than piss it away.

BobL43
08-29-2011, 08:57 AM
If you don't like your property taxes, move somewhere (or into something) where they are cheaper.

America is actually pretty good when it comes to property taxes. Most other countries use "bands" so houses within a specific range of values pay the same in tax. While it keeps the adminstration costs of the tax much lower this is less fair.

In America, you get assessed every few years on your individual home so everyones valuation is customized. My taxes are lower than my neighbors' because even though we live in the same size and style of homes, they have been able to afford to pay for better upkeep and modifications. That is fair. In England, we'd all pay the same in tax if we lived in the same style of houses in the same street. Which is less fair.

The problem, of course, comes with people of Bob's age and above. What do we do about old people who want to continue living in their homes but cannot afford to pay the taxes?

In England, they would pay a lower rate. We should have that here as well, at least for the elderly on lower retirement incomes.

Then it becomes a matter of whether Americans care as much for their elderly as the English? I doubt it.

Ah, Ian your first sentence here: if you don't like it, move somewhere else! that's exactly what we've all suggested to you in the first place!

Now, I don't think I've ever said I can't *AFFORD* to pay my real estate taxes here. I said I feel I pay **way** too much, considering what I get in return. I am on Social Security as is my wife, get a pension, and have been pretty good at saving up all these years for my retirement. (good 401K plan too). I am not pleading poverty. I am working part time now because my employer asked me to come back and help them out, for pay, of course.
I live in a working class neighborhood here, where average salaries can range from maybe $50K to 150K per earner. Dual income families will earn up to or more than 300K. That may sound OK or not depending on your situation, but it is difficult for many people here who earn in the lower end of this range to keep their homes no matter what age they are. Fortunately for me, I have not been in that low end for the last 30 years, but did struggle years ago in my 30's and 40's to pay the bills. Big struggle.
The only thing I said about me affording anything is whether I would be able to purchase I home in San Diego or not. Actually, I can. I did say that the main reason we stay here is to be with our kids.
I do not want to pay more taxes than I do, because what I already pay is misused. Paying more taxes, would be OK with me (maybe) if the money were spent more wisely and not abused so badly. Politicans suck, whether they wear wigs or not
And no, I am not offended at all by being referred to as people of "Bob's age or above" at all. My primary medical coverag now is Medicare, which I have paid into my entire working life. It is actually pretty decent, with the addition of my private medical insurance.

Any healthy US citizen who has worked and paid into the "system" is entitled to returns. Our "system" goes beyond that and helps out poor sickly people who are not able to work, which is OK. I do not like my money given away to free loaders who have been able to work and pay into the system, but chose not to and just collect welfare, milking the system dry. then there is always charity, where I give my money to people I want to help, because I know they really need it.
I never heard of what you said about your neighbors who can afford higher real estate taxes are charged more simply on that basis. Is that a District thing, or is it a VA or MD. thing. I have to ask my friends who live in those areas.

BobL43
08-29-2011, 09:02 AM
LL,

Amen! Amen! twice, cause once was too short to post:)

jimbo
08-29-2011, 09:37 AM
Any healthy US citizen who has worked and paid into the "system" is entitled to returns..

WELL, the problem is with the "system" . ss has tended to be a pay as you go system. retirement and disability benefits are paid out of the contributions of current workers. That worked OK when there was a high ratio of workers to beneficiaries. Now the ratio is very low, and it is going to be difficult to sustain the current level of payouts. None of the money that you and I contributed for 50 years was set aside for OUR benfits. We are being paid by folks currently working ( does that mean I am paying myself, as I draw ss and still am working????).

Cookie
08-29-2011, 10:15 AM
I have a 1 1/2 storey country style home so I never know how to calculate the sq footage. It's 1200 sq ft on the ground floor and a little less upstairs because of the 12/12 sloped roof. The taxes haven't changed all that much since I built the place. It is a rural municipality so there is not a lot of services provided. Volunteer fire and roads is about it. We share a building inspector with neighbouring municipalities. I have a septic system, a well, a GSD bitch to guard the place, and I pay separately for garbage collection.

I have not compared tax rates lately but in town they were paying about twice what I pay. Of course they have more services

What I would do is what I think most appraisers would do. First, is the upstairs ( the half) heated and finished? Because here that counts, if not, it is not taken into account for living space. You said, ground floor, I am taking you mean, living room, diningroom etc; because if not, and you are talking basement and that is evaluated separately. There are many things that are factored in. The peak of your roof counts which you mentioned, and not seeing it all, not being there, not knowing if you got knee walls in the half etc, I would probably safely, add on another 3 to 400 feet.

Usually, it is 1/2 the width of the floor, but, your peak perhaps, tells me it is maybe, alittle bit less.

This phone is so busy today.

Cookie
08-29-2011, 10:41 AM
If you don't like your property taxes, move somewhere (or into something) where they are cheaper.

America is actually pretty good when it comes to property taxes. Most other countries use "bands" so houses within a specific range of values pay the same in tax. While it keeps the adminstration costs of the tax much lower this is less fair.

In America, you get assessed every few years on your individual home so everyones valuation is customized. My taxes are lower than my neighbors' because even though we live in the same size and style of homes, they have been able to afford to pay for better upkeep and modifications. That is fair. In England, we'd all pay the same in tax if we lived in the same style of houses in the same street. Which is less fair.

The problem, of course, comes with people of Bob's age and above. What do we do about old people who want to continue living in their homes but cannot afford to pay the taxes?

In England, they would pay a lower rate. We should have that here as well, at least for the elderly on lower retirement incomes.

Then it becomes a matter of whether Americans care as much for their elderly as the English? I doubt it.

I copied this from my other post, lol, wow, I am copying myself,

Some states will allow special exemptions to reduce real estate tax bills for certain property owners or land users. For instance, senior citizens, ( yes Ian the elderly) are granted reductions or limited increases in assessed values on their homes, known as Homestead Exemptions. These exemptions are especially important for longtime residents in neighborhoods where significant increases in property values would otherwise make the taxes unaffordable. Other temporary reductions in real estate taxes are frequently used to attract industries, stimulate economic growth and development, or encourage rehab of properties.

LLigetfa
08-29-2011, 10:48 AM
What I would do is what I think most appraisers would do. First, is the upstairs ( the half) heated and finished? Because here that counts, if not, it is not taken into account for living space. You said, ground floor, I am taking you mean, living room, diningroom etc; because if not, and you are talking basement and that is evaluated separately. There are many things that are factored in. The peak of your roof counts which you mentioned, and not seeing it all, not being there, not knowing if you got knee walls in the half etc, I would probably safely, add on another 3 to 400 feet...The top floor is all living space except for what's behind some knee walls. I was told by a Realtor that you cannot count floorspace where the cathedral ceiling is less than 3 feet. So, by your 1/2 rule, it would be 600 sq ft but I think it may be closer to 800.

ballvalve
08-29-2011, 11:04 AM
If you have a good tax rate, we preserve it here with a big gate and a very mean dog. And forgetfulness with building permits which they keep nearly no worthwhile record of.

After our last wildfire, 3 years ago, managed to get taxes down by 1/2 on several properties based on how many trees burned, and it was a "you tell us" letter. And while it looked like Dresden after the fire, the remaining trees are happier now and no sign of increasing tax rate.

Cookie
08-29-2011, 11:26 AM
The top floor is all living space except for what's behind some knee walls. I was told by a Realtor that you cannot count floorspace where the cathedral ceiling is less than 3 feet. So, by your 1/2 rule, it would be 600 sq ft but I think it may be closer to 800.

You would subtract for those knee walls that space is considerable unusable space; measure from the knee wall squaring it off. That is why I said, 3 to 400... you are going the wrong way.

But, like I said, I am not seeing it either.

Ian Gills
08-29-2011, 11:42 AM
Part of the problem is the pesky states. Of course you have to pay high real estate and property taxes because you are paying for State Governments that do exactly the same job as all the others and the Federal too.

Get rid of the States and be governed by Washington.

Else shut up and pay up.

One size fits all.

Cookie
08-29-2011, 11:58 AM
Actually, here the general real estate tax, or (ad valorem tax), is made up of the taxes levied on real estate by various govn bodies and municipalities. These taxes are known as ad valorem it is Latin for "according to value" taxes because the amount is based on the value of the property being taxed. General real estate taxes are levied for the general operation of the govn body or agency authorized to levy the tax. These taxing bodies include:

counties, cities, boroughs and townships
school districts or boards
drainage, water and sanitary districts, and
municipal authorites operating parks, forest preserves and recreational districts.

Historically, real estate taxes have been the principal source of revenue for local govn in most states, including mine. Real estate taxes are one of those certainties in life that property owners just cannot escape. Ian, rising costs of govn coupled with increasing costs to operate and maintain real estate , however, have raised debate over the fairness of real estate taxes. Homeowners argue, that the ownership of a basic necessity does not connote affluenece or wealth. Furthermore, real estate tax bills are not tied to the owner's income or ability to pay. This is especially problematic for people living on fixed incomes. Property owners also often argue that they are paying for services such as public schools, they do not personally use, which is something to which I do agree to.

Some states, such as mine, legislature has attempted to alleviate the dependence on real estate tax by permitting local govn bodies to collect sales or income tax in lieu of real estate tax. However, few taxing bodies have embraced these alternatives. Recently, legislators made yet another attempt at tax reform when they passed Act 72 in 2004, which some of you might remember; the slot-machine gambling legislation. This would funnel money generated from the newly legalized gambling to local school districts. They, in turn, would reduce property tax bills to homeowners. The Act also requires school districts to increase local income taxes and to place on ballot for voter approval certain proposed property tax increases.

Now, here there are certain exemptions from taxation in most states. Common exemptions are granted for property owned by

city, state and federal govn
munipal authorities
education institutions
hospitals
religious institutions and
public charities


The assessment, or assessed value, is the official value of real estate that is used for tax purposes. Real estate is valued, or assessed, for tax purposes by county assessors, evalutors, or appraisers. This is what I do. Assessments are normally a percentage of the property's fair market value. Depending on the type of property and the taxing jurisdiction within which it is located, one value may be assigned to the total property or separate values may be assigned to the land and the building.

jimbo
08-29-2011, 12:03 PM
Fortunately here in CA, property tax is capped at 1% of the price you purchased it for, and the base can only go up max 2% per year, so little old ladies don't get taxed out of their homes, as long as they live there. The income tax and business taxes and sales taxes are high to make up. Of course the 97% democrat state legislature spends money faster than we can possibly make it, but at least I won't lose my house to property tax lien!

Cookie
08-29-2011, 12:56 PM
I posted a new thread here, cause that Hurricane one is long in the tooth already. This is copied from there, though:


http://www.terrylove.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by BobL43 http://www.terrylove.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?p=310891#post310891)
LL,


Taxes are probably lower than yours in Montana, but I don't think that's where I want to live.

No Palace, as I wrote in response to one of Cookies posts. but the cost of living in the NY Metro area is extreme. I don't know how the pay-scales compare to the rest of the US or Canada, though. Everything is normally relative. I never felt that I was overpaid, who does?;)




Cookie's Reply:

It would be interesting to know how the prop taxes are done there, if separate always on land and structure, or both? How the laws play to it? And, lastly, if it is related to earnings? A comparision would be neat.

I know Ian sometimes doesn't understand how complicated the tax laws are and what is involved, it just isn't that simple. Especially, real estate law.


If you're as serious as a heart attack, chances are you're going to have one.


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On Long Island, if you earn big bucks, you live in a rich neighboorhood and pay the bigger taxes there; if you live in my neighborhood and are wealthy, you would be crazy, but your taxes would be the same as mine are based on the size of the land and house value. When you make a major home improvement, or enlarge your house, your taxes go up based on the new value of the home. Add a deck, taxes go up; finish the basement, taxes go up. put in central air: guess what- taxes go up. It is suffocating. About a half mile away from me, is one of Ian's examples of good government: County is paying an apartment complex to provide section 8 housing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_(housing) to help the underpriveledged folks who seem not to be able to afford anything except drugs a cheap place to live. 3 days ago, a druggie stopped her car across the street from my house, overdosed herself and her car rolled 50 feet on my neighbor's lawn and crashen into a boulder on the lawn. We successfully woke her up. She was turning blue, the 2/3 empty syringe of whatever she gave herself was layin on the console of ther car. we called 911. medics came, police came, fire dept came. cops would not arrest her on drug possesion because they said they had no way to prove she had used drugs. she said when asked that she was not a diabetic, and had no idea of why that syringe was there, but her arm had several needle marks.She got out of her car, tossed her cookies (sorry Cookie) a few times and the ambulance took her away. I feel sorry for her, but my taxes paid for all that service that was not an emergency. Nobody wants their kids to get that way. I hope if I need emergency help one day, it will be available, and the crew I'll need to save my life was not out on a self inflicted emergency. I also get a kick out of these jerks that do dangerous things like surf in these dangerous hurricane driven waters and cause rescue teams to risk their lives in trying to save those lame ass inconsiderate morons.

AHH, that feels better! me starting a complaint in Ian's corner instead of the furner!

That's sad, I always feel blessed that my kids won't even take a aspirin unless they got a really bad headache. They really had to help her being they didn't know what happened and that was the right thing to do. So far as those with the hurricane driven waters, I guess, the same thing too Bob. Even those who are thrill-seekers got to be protected for those who love them, and you got to remember even those who are stupid pay taxes. So, are they just using in what they paid? One way of looking at it I reckon. And, they are keeping those rescue workers employed in their chosen careers, eh.

p.s, it's okay about tossing cookies, LOL, their are many I work with who would like to "toss" me, :)

Ian Gills
08-29-2011, 01:37 PM
I agree with Cookie.

And where do you draw the line?

I might not be too happy that my taxes help fix the guy that jumped out of the plane with a parachute that didn't open.

Or the plumber that did not wear his protective glasses because it was a "Friday afternoon".

People have the right to expect those services in a country as wealthy as yours.

And for your tax contribution, we say thank you.

BobL43
08-29-2011, 06:11 PM
I copied this from my other post, lol, wow, I am copying myself,

Some states will allow special exemptions to reduce real estate tax bills for certain property owners or land users. For instance, senior citizens, ( yes Ian the elderly) are granted reductions or limited increases in assessed values on their homes, known as Homestead Exemptions. These exemptions are especially important for longtime residents in neighborhoods where significant increases in property values would otherwise make the taxes unaffordable. Other temporary reductions in real estate taxes are frequently used to attract industries, stimulate economic growth and development, or encourage rehab of properties.

Hi Cookie. NY state does have real estate tax reductions for senior citizens. they are called enhanced STAR programs. I do not qualify for them because my retirement income is above the maximum allowed to get the reduction, which is a big reduction. Currently it is based on total 2009 income with a max of $79K In 2009, even though I was retired, I was substantially above that. I don't know what the next program limit will be, if they can afford to still give the reductions:mad:.

And yes Cookie, businesses here are given 7 year tax abatements to encourage them to start up here to create new jobs for the community. They start up, bus in cheap help from the city, and after 7 years they either go bust or change the company name and start all over again. My taxes at work:rolleyes:

So Ian, I can afford to pay the taxes, I just don't like to (pay more)

I was busy all afternoon putting up sheetrock on the ceiling of my new bathroom. I brought that sheetrock home in my pickup truck that Ian said is unecessary. Ho Ho. I would have posted sooner, but I was pre-occupied.

Ian Gills
08-30-2011, 10:52 AM
Since when were taxes about "liking to pay"? It's your contribution to society Bob.

And that pickup is a problem.

I don't mind you owning it, but the gas you put in it is underpriced. It does damage to the environment that you are not paying for.

We need to raise taxes on gas. At the moment, it's like your dog pooping on my sidewalk.

Cap and trade is the way to go. We'd have it already if it were not for the current leadership of the House.

ballvalve
08-30-2011, 10:55 AM
Fortunately here in CA, property tax is capped at 1% of the price you purchased it for, and the base can only go up max 2% per year, so little old ladies don't get taxed out of their homes, as long as they live there. The income tax and business taxes and sales taxes are high to make up. Of course the 97% democrat state legislature spends money faster than we can possibly make it, but at least I won't lose my house to property tax lien!

Get some local comp's and fill out the form to LOWER your taxes in this lovely 1930's economy.

Cookie
08-30-2011, 11:05 AM
See, I am going to buy one of these "tiny" homes, and park it in my rellies driveway and live off of them and their electric.

http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/houses/

No taxes, nothing... eat their food, drink their water, use their utilities, ah, that is the life.

I think, the EPU or the Vardo, would make them happiest.

BobL43
08-30-2011, 11:25 AM
Since when were taxes about "liking to pay"? It's your contribution to society Bob.

And that pickup is a problem.

I don't mind you owning it, but the gas you put in it is underpriced. It does damage to the environment that you are not paying for.

We need to raise taxes on gas. At the moment, it's like your dog pooping on my sidewalk.

Cap and trade is the way to go. We'd have it already if it were not for the current leadership of the House.

My pickup is not your problem. my dog pooping on your sidewalk is a property improvement. but I pick up after him, so I return the sidewalk to its former curb appeal. If you enjoy paying more taxes, then just claim single, no dependants and file your return but claim no refund. In fact, you can even have your employer take more out of your pay. If you enjoy paying higher gas prices, then go back to the UK. The corporate average fuel economy of US auto makers is much better now than it used to be. My pickup can actually get up to 21 miles per gallon on the road. I like it, and the 10 gallon cowboy hat (my cap) on my head, and the rifle in my back window. YEE HAH!

BobL43
08-30-2011, 11:38 AM
Since when were taxes about "liking to pay"? It's your contribution to society Bob.

And that pickup is a problem.

I don't mind you owning it, but the gas you put in it is underpriced. It does damage to the environment that you are not paying for.

We need to raise taxes on gas. At the moment, it's like your dog pooping on my sidewalk.

Cap and trade is the way to go. We'd have it already if it were not for the current leadership of the House.
http://quasi-superspooge.blogspot.com/2010/09/british-cowboy.html

Ian Gills
08-30-2011, 12:51 PM
Like I say, I have no beef with your truck or your driving habits. But all Americans are paying too little for their gas, which means they are using too much, which is heating my planet up. And that affects me whether I live here, there or anywhere.

Americans need to tax gas more heavily to offset the environmental damage they are doing to our planet.

At the moment, they're just free-riding on the generosity of the rest of us.

BobL43
08-30-2011, 04:11 PM
Ian, the US is a big place and not everybody lives in the city. The population is sprawled out all over the place for many miles from the city. I live 50 miles from NYC. the Long Island Railroad and the MTA is the largest commuter railroad system in the US. There are people who live 80 miles from the city and take the train to it. Not everybody living in the suburbs travels to the city, and Long Island has about 4 million residents. Public transportation is different here than in Europe. Too many miles, too many people here for public transportation to handle people need cars to get to work. Raising taxes on gasoline will NOT stop people from using there cars to get to work if they live 5 to 20 miles or so from their jobs. You grew up in a different world. You don't get it at all. We have done lots here to reduce pollution. China continues to grow and belches out pollution with NO REGARD to anybody. At least we here try to cut back. Ride a camel, they produce methane, which is NG either for our environment. One hump or 2?

Ian Gills
08-30-2011, 04:46 PM
It's not necessarily about cutting back. It's about paying more for the damage gas consumption does to the environment.

People in rural communities may suffer, yes. But if you are worried about them then give them handouts. Like you do with farmers.

You'd be surprised to learn that some of the very politicians that run on a no-entitlement, low tax platform are the very same whose families have benefitted from farm subsidies!

jimbo
08-30-2011, 06:23 PM
Get some local comp's and fill out the form to LOWER your taxes in this lovely 1930's economy.

Fortunately, I have owned my place since 1990, so even today, it is worth more than what my tax base is! Even if that wasn't the case, in the recent economy the county actually did some automatic base adjustments even without having to file the paperwork!

Cookie
08-30-2011, 06:32 PM
Sometimes finding comps is tedious, sometimes, they aren't even close enough to be true comps. A whole lot of things is taken into consideration. RE agents work at this really hard.

Alot of people are finding they are in a reverse situation and getting really scared, and want to sell thinking, it is the best thing to do. However, if they wait, the economy alone will right it, I think, to at least the degree where the homeowner is not at a loss. My brother was upside down and it worked out, he even recently had built a detached, 2 car garage.

Cookie
08-30-2011, 06:52 PM
Ian, I had read where their is enough of fossil fuel in this country alone to last another 4 to 500 years. Back way back, it was said, we would run out of oil in 30 years, that was said, I think, in the 30's. More oil will be found. I think you underestimate the size of the US, and the distance between home and work for most. Not everyone lives in a place like London where all transportation is available and to ride in a bike in remote areas here, or rural areas here is a joke Ian. You would be peddling your butt off for hours and be too tired to work! To excerise is one thing to be foolish is another. One way people could cut back is on mowing the lawns, but, then you got to remember that their are negatives things in doing that! I wait for the day, one person has all the answers to important things in life, but that isn't going to happen. It takes many people everywhere to think, to figure things out, to find answers, and one thing, all most do is to remember one thing, that circumstances must be weighed in. You are giving answers to us, in the US, like our country is like yours. Not so. The answers cannot be the same for the factors are not. It is like doing an equation=the state of being equal.

Dust your erasers, wipe the chalkboard and start all over again. This time, use all the information you know, the sizes of the countries, do a math proof, and remember Ian,
quod erat demonstrandum. ( which was to be shown)

Cookie
08-30-2011, 06:54 PM
I don't know how it happened ? but my post mixed in with your original post, so sorry... I fixed it, I think, lol.

ballvalve
08-31-2011, 10:04 AM
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Want a small vardo or gypsy wagon? We build those in off times. If I can find a photo of the finished version, I'll post it.

This one finished with a copper roof and fantastic detailing inside. It has over 25,000 miles on it now, and no cracks yet. DMV tax of about 150$ a year.

ballvalve
08-31-2011, 11:04 AM
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So here is the tax free true American home inspired by the European Gypsys - Makes life pretty simple.

Ian Gills
08-31-2011, 11:55 AM
I did not know you were a traveller Ballvalve. Nice home. And a great mountain too.

Cookie
08-31-2011, 05:05 PM
Oh, that is funny. I could put one of those "fortune teller" things in it, and charge while it is sitting in my rellies driveway, ;) I would love that.

BobL43
08-31-2011, 05:57 PM
Neat! I'd like one, but I don't think my neighbors would. I it hurricane proof? Will it float on flooded rivers?

Cookie
09-01-2011, 07:35 AM
I love the American flag on it! and... that is something, I never kid around about.

BobL43
09-01-2011, 10:09 AM
Hmm, that flag is on the building next to the wagon the way I see it

ballvalve
09-01-2011, 10:47 AM
Love to travel, but a bit lighter for me - that was built for a customer. They are writing a book on their trip, where you can imagine they had lines of people wanting to have a look.

Its quite light and tows easy, not like those beastly tiny houses with peaked roofs at crazy prices in cookies link.

They claim they got 12 to 16 mpg - I think it weighed in at 3500 pounds.

Cookie
09-01-2011, 12:01 PM
Ah, you are right Bob, you eyesight is better than mine!



Hmm, that flag is on the building next to the wagon the way I see it

Cookie
09-01-2011, 12:02 PM
Well, don't worry, I can't afford either, lol.


Love to travel, but a bit lighter for me - that was built for a customer. They are writing a book on their trip, where you can imagine they had lines of people wanting to have a look.

Its quite light and tows easy, not like those beastly tiny houses with peaked roofs at crazy prices in cookies link.

They claim they got 12 to 16 mpg - I think it weighed in at 3500 pounds.

ballvalve
09-05-2011, 02:09 PM
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Try to find this on the east coast! Sand dunes adjacent to the very few terminal fresh water desert lakes in the world.

No trailer for me, need a jeep to get here... And notice that a jeep can get 2000+ MPG on a downhill run with the engine off.

Prius take note. Made in the USA too. Bring lots of water and wine.

That platform seems to be a remnant of WW2 watchtowers when the Japs were expected to bomb our largest munitions factory on earth nearby. As to taxes, you can build on the water and pay less than 1/2% of value.

And Ghost towns around here like gas stations in DC.

BobL43
09-05-2011, 05:53 PM
1389413896

Try to find this on the east coast! Sand dunes adjacent to the very few terminal fresh water desert lakes in the world.

No trailer for me, need a jeep to get here... And notice that a jeep can get 2000+ MPG on a downhill run with the engine off.

Prius take note. Made in the USA too. Bring lots of water and wine.

That platform seems to be a remnant of WW2 watchtowers when the Japs were expected to bomb our largest munitions factory on earth nearby. As to taxes, you can build on the water and pay less than 1/2% of value.

And Ghost towns around here like gas stations in DC.

That is a beaautiful picture Ballvalve!