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master plumber mark
08-10-2011, 07:55 PM
Ian.... I am just wondeirng in your opinion which
country in Europe is gonna bail out of the European Union first...

My money is on Germany
The Euro is probably going to be worthless in a while, and I dont
think the Germans are stupid enough to prop up Greece, Italy, France,
Ireland... so they will get out before it totally sinks their economy too

England is the only country that delayed converting their money to Euros
which was probably the smartest move possible on their part....

master plumber mark
08-10-2011, 08:02 PM
Ian.... I am just wondeirng in your opinion which
country in Europe is gonna bail out of the European Union first...

My money is on Germany
The Euro is probably going to be worthless in a while, and I dont
think the Germans are stupid enough to prop up Greece, Italy, France,
Ireland... so they will get out before it totally sinks their economy too

England is the only country that delayed converting their money to Euros
which was probably the smartest move possible on their part....



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Ian Gills
08-11-2011, 10:10 AM
I am watching Italy and Spain. They are too big to fail and too big to bail.

My main concern is that if either of their debts become too expensive, they could show the Eagle to the Euro and stop paying their debts and/or leave.

That would be the end of the single currency.

But the big question is whether the US would just sit back and watch? Each would require about $1 trillion to bail and we know you have the cash.

I'm betting American taxpayers would get involved.

I would hope they do.

It's America's responsibility.

Let's hope y'all man enough. You entered World War II a little late so some help sooner would be much appreciated.

We'll pay you back. Like we did last time.

But those ships really were a pile of junk.

ballvalve
08-16-2011, 10:00 AM
We cant pay our teachers, but we'll bail out the Italians where about 20% pay tax. Bully idea.

And it is a pity we built those Brit ships, keeping the queen from learning German at Treblinka. And the king from using a shovel.....And your folks from eating their pet parakeet and cat.

Let the Brits eat tea in the next war.

Where were the great British "seals" asassinating Hitler in 1940? Discussing it over a bit of tea for 5 years?

Tom Sawyer
08-16-2011, 03:19 PM
I really like getting paid and I'm not all that fond of the Italians ;)

master plumber mark
08-16-2011, 05:07 PM
just because the usa has had to bail out England and support
Germany, France, Italy and the rest of the losers over in Europe
for the past 65 years, does not mean it will or should happen again....

I think the USA did prop up the French frank back in the 60s...

The german people are the only ones carrying their own weight.
... the rest of Europe is basically a bunch of
lazy , good for nothing slobs looking for a free ride .....
especially the French.... with the English bringing up a close second

I say ...let it all go under and just start over...
let the Rothchilds choke on the bad debt
and their failed plans for a new world order...

their is no reason we can or should have anything to do with this mess

and who exactly is going to prop the USA up if we were to help all these
lazy slobs anyway??



Also, have you noticed that GERMANY had almost no growth over the past
quarter, this is not a good sign of things to come

Ian Gills
08-16-2011, 06:48 PM
Europe is entitled to American help and should get it with the current crisis, especially if Italy or Spain start to wobble.

We founded you.

We owned you.

America is Europe's backyard.

ballvalve
08-17-2011, 10:11 AM
Italy and Spain can wobble down a sewer. 2/3 of the economy is underground.

America is only Europes experiment in DNA scrambling. And now from the south and east. Judging by what I see in the Wal-mart checkout line, its a dismal failure, and Hitler would have sent them ALL to the left line.

And you didnt 'found' us at all, we came here to get away from our dinner of turnip skins while the king drove by in a gold plated wagon, prime rib dribbling from mouths edge..... And to open all those peculiar churches.

But the plumber must not have been to Europe, because they are not slobs and live like gods next to our suffering. Most have a country house, a 4 day workweek, and can eat from their back alleys pavement.... Unless you are in certain parts of Italy and England.

Ian Gills
08-17-2011, 12:38 PM
America is Europe's 401k.

And we'd like to cash it in.

I'm waiting for that American bailout.

It must be coming.

ballvalve
08-18-2011, 10:11 AM
If Europe wants a bailout, it better sprout Nevada, California, Montana and Arizona out of its little overworked, overfarmed, overlogged enclave.

Or wait for the black death to hit again and open up some space.

Ian Gills
08-18-2011, 10:16 AM
If America's largest market starts to topple that would spell disaster for US jobs.

Europe is entitled to an American bailout. You have the money. And it makes sense.

I await the announcement and will welcome it warmly when it comes.

I trust in this country's leadership to make the call.

LOTW
08-19-2011, 08:45 AM
If America's largest market starts to topple that would spell disaster for US jobs.

Europe is entitled to an American bailout. You have the money. And it makes sense.

I await the announcement and will welcome it warmly when it comes.

I trust in this country's leadership to make the call.

I am in favor of buying Europe from its soon-to-be-appointed bankruptcy trustee at 4 cents on the dollar and using its citizens as migrant workers, which are becoming harder to find here. I would go up to 5 cents on the dollar if all European made internal combustion powered vehicles and the royal family (except Kate, who can return to her native California)were excluded from the deal.

Ian Gills
08-19-2011, 05:47 PM
Open the borders!

And to European cars too. In order of reliability, vehicles go something like this: Japanese, European and then the rest.

I put US-made vehciles in the same pile as Chinese and Russian-made ones when it comes to reliability.

That's why you don't find true American-made vehicles in any country except America.

Tom Sawyer
08-20-2011, 05:28 AM
Open the borders!

And to European cars too. In order of reliability, vehicles go something like this: Japanese, European and then the rest.

I put US-made vehciles in the same pile as Chinese and Russian-made ones when it comes to reliability.

That's why you don't find true American-made vehicles in any country except America.


Where exactly is our boarder closed?

Hmm european vehicles. Surely you don't mean anything coming out of England. I own 5 British made MG's and though they are fun to drive, reliability is a huge issue. Lucas, the Prince of darkness

Ian Gills
08-20-2011, 07:25 AM
Your border is closed because it is quite difficult to work here legally.

And even if you are here legally you do not get the entitlements of citizens.

So you're taxed but get nothing in return.

As for British sports cars, reliability never was their strong point but driveability was unsurpassed. Our car industry was wiped out from competition from the Japanese.

Unlike yours it did not receive Government handouts because Europe is a market-driven economy.

America is more like Russia in ways it would not like to admit.

Handouts. Overly zealous building codes. No liquor on a Sunday. Where's the freedom?

I'll tell ya. Freedom is in Europe.

Tom Sawyer
08-20-2011, 10:00 AM
You do see the hypocracy in that post right?

Cookie
08-20-2011, 10:24 AM
Ian, can you ever become King? If you can't, then, not having the right to vote in the elections here should not be a problem for you. Right?

Terry
08-20-2011, 11:13 AM
Lucas, the Prince of darkness

I never understood how Lucas could put out such poor wiring and stay in business.

When I worked in a bicycle shop, the owner had previously worked as a engineer for Boeing. He said it was very common in England to pull the heads on a car at 12,000 miles and clean them. His wife used to ride her bike to buy food daily there. They didn't have refrigeration. I think they got quite spoiled here, having refrigerators and cars that ran.

Tom Sawyer
08-20-2011, 11:36 AM
I keep this great big flashlight behind the seats when I drive them at night. I have had to navigate my way home by it several times. Driving with one hand and holding the light with the other.

ballvalve
08-20-2011, 01:38 PM
America is more like Russia in ways it would not like to admit.



America resembles Russia like it does Pakistan. Russia is a confused, violent, lawless and fairness-less mess and always has been. You must not have been there, at least not in the countryside.

And they know how to properly drink, unlike Americans.

Tom Sawyer
08-20-2011, 02:08 PM
I don't know. I have drinking down pretty good :D

Ian Gills
08-20-2011, 03:27 PM
America resembles Russia like it does Pakistan. Russia is a confused, violent, lawless and fairness-less mess and always has been. You must not have been there, at least not in the countryside.

And they know how to properly drink, unlike Americans.

The point was is everything America stands for really to be found here? Is it?

God, yes. I will absolutely agree that America is God's Country. The proof is in the Church traffic and the taxpayer-provided police that direct it.

But is it free? No liqour on a Sunday. Not being able to post anything except US mail through a post box. Etc. Lots of rules. Not unlike Russia. Americans love their rules.

And the dream is long gone.

At least MGs can go round corners. American cars simply cannot.

America has great fruit though. It should return to farming. And leave the technical stuff to the Canadians and Europeans.

ballvalve
08-21-2011, 01:16 PM
I have a mountain of tires worn out from driving roads like on the coast of italy.... Dodge caravans, pickups, jeeps, flatbeds, all US iron, all around millions of corners with drop offs miles below. Never missed one yet.

One inherited Subaru from Japan was the worst of all, and seemed to have the most issues. Waiting to get the excavator over to 'modify' it for the scrap yard.

Better move here, liquor on Easter Sunday even. I think your bars are open on Sunday, however.

I havent seen any Europeans or Canadians on the moon. So I think we'll keep the tech stuff. All that crap we buy from china and japan was designed here anyway. And WE taught them the methods to produce at a profit, like idiots.

Where exactly is that English mars rover that was designed for 1 year that ran for 5 plus?

Ian Gills
08-21-2011, 04:51 PM
You threw money and pensions at the guys that built the space program.

We have public health care, instead.

You went to the moon. Once.

ballvalve
08-22-2011, 11:03 AM
Once to the moon? Hello?

Ian Gills
08-22-2011, 01:11 PM
Alright, six times out of seven attempts.

You'll never meet a poor NASA retiree though.

We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they will provide big pensions.

ballvalve
08-23-2011, 11:27 AM
Going to the moon spawned hundreds of devices that changed our world today. And imagine doing it with computers smaller than whats in your cell phone today.

Having a deranged Nazi designing our first rockets helped too. And your Peter Sellers did well in "Dr. Strangelove"

My mentor after dad and a crazy uncle that even made his own hacksaws, was a tool designer, for Apollo rocket engines, generally. Probably the highest level of multiple skills needed in any profession.

Bent the tubing for the engines in SS in such a way that no human had ever imagined could be done before. All of his vast knowledge still lives in the defense and NASA work. Take that away and we really are back to apple orchards.

When I started my business[es] I was poor as that guy under the bridge in DC. So I built most of my production machinery and even dug one 3000# bandsaw out of a swamp bed. All still running 30 years later.

Thank god for his pension, it still keeps him alive near 100 years old [and you owe him for building the wings of the b-25's that saved England] Incredibly, he was a concientious objector to the WW2, and good thing for that!

Otherwise you might be German, and we WOULD have been to the moon once out of 7 attempts.

Actually you look like a German. Are we being scammed? It would explain your distaste for Liberty ships.

Ian Gills
08-23-2011, 01:50 PM
Those ships really were nasty.

ballvalve
08-24-2011, 01:15 PM
He's a German!

Ian Gills
08-24-2011, 05:02 PM
A bad boat is a bad boat. It doesn't take a German to spot one.