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Ian Gills
07-07-2011, 05:41 PM
The $14.3 trillion debt ceiling has already been exceeded and will expire on 2 August. If it is not increased, there might be a default and interest rates could rise. When the economy and housing markets are already as bad as they are...

This is a problem.

But some of you would rather whine and whinge about passing debt on to your children....even your grandhchildren.

Well, here is a message from them beyond the womb. They'll take care of the debt if we take care of their health, education and employment opportunities.

Besides, your parents passed their debt on to you.

So ignore the hype, don't treat your kids as victims and raise the debt ceiling. If you're that worried about the deficit then close the tax loopholes on the wealthy and tax the rich.

The only people complaining about higher taxes on the rich are....the rich. And there are not many of them.

So Man Up America!

master plumber mark
07-08-2011, 03:28 PM
Ians corner???


how in the hell did you get a whole column named after you.
what did you do get cookie banned?

...


I do agreee with you,
let the federal reserve print all the moeny they want to ...
.. its all a joke anyway

Ian Gills
07-08-2011, 06:42 PM
Thanks Mark. This country needs more liberals like you.

I am not sure why Cookie left.

I got my own part of the forum after Don and Redwood suggested I should have my own spot.

They're big fans you know.

DonL
07-09-2011, 05:50 AM
Thanks Mark. This country needs more liberals like you.

I am not sure why Cookie left.

I got my own part of the forum after Don and Redwood suggested I should have my own spot.

They're big fans you know.

I hope that you enjoy it Ian.

At least now everyone knows where to go, When they want to hear you Piss and Moan.


Enjoy Your Day.


DonL

Tom Sawyer
07-09-2011, 06:03 AM
Well you have hit the nail squarely Ian. 14 trillion is a huge number. If you were to gather all of the currency in the world from every country you could not come up with 14 trillion dollars. It is a staggering amount of anything. It is for all intents and purposes a fictional number that has no meaning to anybody except those attempting to gain political advantage. This is why all the hype over buying gold is a crock. Gold has no more value than what investors decide to give it, paper money's only true value is in the faith that the holder has towards the government issuing it. The simple truth is that sooner or later cash will be totally useless. I say take that 14 trillion, draw a big x through it and start over again. when I was much younger and still in school a billion was a very very big number. There were only a handful of corporations worth that kind of money, now we speak of trillions as though having a trillion dollars is common. I think that while your comments may have been in jest you are closer to the truth than you may think. Go ahead and raise the debt, raise it to a trillion trillion and let the chips fall where they may because whether it's 100 trillion or 14 trillion it is a debt that will never ever actually be paid down, hell the interest alone keeps that from happening.

master plumber mark
07-09-2011, 08:58 AM
it amazes me that one group of people on this planet has
the rest of us by the balls...... and we say thanks to them


the elite families that feel it is their birth-right to
print money out of thin air and sell it to the governments
of the world are the ones who are collecting the interest.

they run this planet, and all your politicians are just pawns
and stooges who do what they are told to do.....




watch this video about fractional=reserve=banking if you
want an education on who we are in debt to.......





http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

Tom Sawyer
07-09-2011, 10:12 AM
I watched that awhile back, kept me up for three nights

DonL
07-09-2011, 10:54 AM
It is hard to eat money or gold. We will need food, and water. Salt is needed also.

"Raise the debt ceiling, kick the can down the road and let our kids pay"

How many children do you have Ian ?


DonL

Tom Sawyer
07-09-2011, 11:26 AM
Send lawyers guns and money...the shit has hit the fan

SteveW
07-09-2011, 01:26 PM
Master Plumber Mark -
Thanks for posting that web site - I want to learn more about that.

If you go to Money Masters web site, they have a great set of quotations from Jefferson, Lincoln, and others about this - worth a read:

http://www.themoneymasters.com/the-money-masters/famous-quotations-on-banking/

Tom Sawyer
07-09-2011, 02:57 PM
No, I don't think you do want to learn more about that, well unless you have a good stock of booze or weed in the house at the time. It's the stuff that despair is born of.

SteveW
07-09-2011, 04:31 PM
A little despair is good for the soul, especially if it can lead to taking charge of a situation. At least the Money Masters web site speaks optimistically of changing the situation of fractional reserve banking, "if we have the will" as the site says. If enough Americans would wake up about this, feel a pang of despair over the situation, and then insist on having the wrong righted, true change could happen (I think).

Ian Gills
07-09-2011, 05:33 PM
It's thanks to the things you guys are moaning about that most of you now own your own homes.

I doubt Don could have bought his house for cash.

Lending is good. And Banks' ability to lend is good. But the whole process needs to be properly regulated and it was not.

So we need bigger Government to regulate.

Look. We just have to realise that the world ten years from now is going to be very different from the one we live in today.

Sorry Conservatives. You'd best liberal up.

China will be the largest economy.

Global warming (caused mostly by Americans) would have happened with all sorts of consequences for agriculture.

And there will be an acute shortage of natural resources - water for example.

The key is to adjust. American innovation will shine through but we need to start raising taxes, especially on things like American gasoline.

And coal-powered electricity generation should be taxed. Renewables. That is what we need.

As for the $14 trillion debt, I am not too worried just yet.

The people that hold that debt (the Chinese) do not want to see the value of what they hold reduced. So nothing crazy is going to happen. If your neighbors owed you that much cash, I'm sure you'd keep them sweet as well.

So, yes - kick the can down the road. With a bigger Federal Government. Washington telling people in the rest of America how to live because, let's face it, they are cleverer.

DonL
07-09-2011, 07:18 PM
It's thanks to the things you guys are moaning about that most of you now own your own homes.

I doubt Don could have bought his house for cash.

Lending is good. And Banks' ability to lend is good. But the whole process needs to be properly regulated and it was not.

So we need bigger Government to regulate.

Look. We just have to realise that the world ten years from now is going to be very different from the one we live in today.

Sorry Conservatives. You'd best liberal up.

China will be the largest economy.

Global warming (caused mostly by Americans) would have happened with all sorts of consequences for agriculture.

And there will be an acute shortage of natural resources - water for example.

The key is to adjust. American innovation will shine through but we need to start raising taxes, especially on things like American gasoline.

And coal-powered electricity generation should be taxed. Renewables. That is what we need.

As for the $14 trillion debt, I am not too worried just yet.

The people that hold that debt (the Chinese) do not want to see the value of what they hold reduced. So nothing crazy is going to happen. If your neighbors owed you that much cash, I'm sure you'd keep them sweet as well.

So, yes - kick the can down the road. With a bigger Federal Government. Washington telling people in the rest of America how to live because, let's face it, they are cleverer.

My house is paid for, Thanks to the nice people that supported NASA.

I never got a Free ride, never expected to.

I worked all my life, and enjoyed it. I could sleep well at night, unlike free loaders in the USA.

Do you hold it against me that I bought my house for cash ?


I worked hard for my money.

Enjoy your weekend. I hope you stocked up...


DonL