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Ian Gills
07-05-2011, 05:04 PM
Innocent until proven guilty.

You learnt that from us (together with free speech).

But clearly the best legal professionals, scientists, police etc. did not make it on the boat over.

The pilgrims were Godly people, and bless 'em they try so hard and work such long hours, but otherwise the best craftsmen stayed in England.

With the King.

And it shows.

You guys bring crazy cases to Court. In England, the police wait. But they get you.

Terry
07-05-2011, 05:25 PM
My relatives came over in the 1620's
Glad to leave and have a new start.
It was seven generations later that the war started with Britain. Many of those at that time had never seen the mother ship.

But I think many thought of themselves as Americans the day they set foot on the boats.

Terry
07-05-2011, 06:08 PM
That's one of the grand daughters. She comes with her mom when we play softball. Jamie is on the team too. Last year I was still taking chemo and batted .720
I don't know how I'm going to match that again. That was just crazy. This year I'm a lot quicker, but I still need to find the right places to hit to.

This is my nephew Caleb.

13442

He doesn't really look like this but one day a year.

Ian Gills
07-05-2011, 06:12 PM
That's very 4th of July.

Pirates and traitors.

I can't believe they got away with it.

Theft. Of a country!

And there was evidence.

What proof Sir, do you have that the defendant stole your country?

Er. This....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Us_declaration_independence.jpg/200px-Us_declaration_independence.jpg


That gets rid of any reasonable doubt.

I'm lookin' for those fellas that took our Land. And then we'll lock 'em up!

Terry
07-05-2011, 06:32 PM
I was watching a history channel show about the US on Netflix.
The first episode was on the landing of the Pilgrims, which was cool because I'm related.

It also had Paul Revere's midnight ride, and the battle where the British lost so many men.
Pretty fun, oh, sorry Ian.

BobL43
07-06-2011, 08:01 AM
Yes Terry, there must have been good reasons for them to leave the old country on a dangerous trip like that back then. things could not have been that peachy in England back then either. Every new Pirates of the Carribean ( chronologically centuries later), gives me ideas how jolly things were back then. Aaaarg!

Ian Gills
07-06-2011, 05:36 PM
They left because they thought we were not religious enough.

In some sense they were religious extremists.

Fast forward 400 years and you can't move for churches in this place.

America is the only place on earth where you see police directing the trafffic leaving church carparks because of the congestion they cause!

I think it would have been better if the pilgrims had stayed where they were and moderated their beliefs a little.

DonL
07-06-2011, 05:44 PM
America is the only place on earth where you see police directing the trafffic leaving church carparks because of the congestion they cause!

They just want to make sure that you get to the liquor store safely when it opens at 12 noon.

Redwood
07-07-2011, 08:31 AM
I think that she was defending her country.

Guess you are not allowed to do that, what a shame.

I haven't been around much...
I get tired of reading the regurgitated EuroTrash myself...

Interesting how Cookie is gone and the trash remains....

Ahhh I'm Out!
The Moderation Stick swung in the wrong direction....

It gets old having to fight against hack advise through 50 threads and hundreds of posts...
Listening to someone constantly rank on the US of A when he should just pack his bags and head back...

Ian Gills
07-07-2011, 10:56 AM
It's my good friend Redwood.

The heated debates in question stay confined to a few threads at most and never in the main plumbing part of the forum.

They sometimes run to tens of pages, but that's a sign of lively interaction. And I take as good as I give.

If no-one replied I might take your point but...

...what did happen to Cookie?

DonL
07-07-2011, 11:34 AM
Maybe we need a Bullshit category.

That would be better.

Because I have yet to see this Bullshit benefit anyone's Health and Well being.


Am I wrong ?


DonL

Redwood
07-07-2011, 12:20 PM
Maybe we need a Bullshit category.

That would be better.

Because I have yet to see this Bullshit benefit anyone's Health and Well being.


Am I wrong ?


DonL

Well Don I don't know if "That Name" would fly but it is an accurate description....
Maybe something like "Trash Can Forum" would be better....

It could start right off with moving about 2,384 posts into it.....

Terry
07-07-2011, 12:35 PM
It goes both ways.

Ian pokes fun and the others poke fun.
It's not on plumbing threads.
Most of the time it's on nonsense type stuff that you can choose to read or not read. The trouble happens when people take it too seriously.
Remember humor? And dry humor?

If you personally like something very much, you like chocolate ice cream, and someone comes along and says they like strawberry, that's a conversation. Then it becomes an argument when you try to create a consensus as to what is the right flavor to enjoy.
Yes, there is only one flavor that we should enjoy.

Me, I'm for thirty-one flavors.

You guys can even say it should be vanilla, and nope, I'm not getting it.

4me2see
07-07-2011, 12:39 PM
Try this. Wrap say 6 to 12 feet of 1" stainless tubing or pipe with 1/4 inch soft copper tubing 1/4 inch between wraps. Keep copper tight to the stainless. Tie it with heavy copper wire Attach rope and drop it below the waterline in the well. It will have a electrolysis from the copper. I have been using this for over 5 years. No more flashing and it can stay in the well forever This idea was developed by me and a forum friend from Canada. Mike Monett. We call it the Pat and Mike bacteria killer. Let me know what you think.

DonL
07-07-2011, 01:02 PM
I agree with what you say Terry but there needs to be a Forum for it.

It does not need to be under Health and wellness.

Make it Ian's Corner if need be. Or bash The U.S.A. or "Trash Can Forum"
That is freedom, I love it.

I agree in expression. We Should all have it.

I do Not agree in someone that Bangs my Lady or My country. But I am Old School.
You do not bite the hand that feeds you.

If I am wrong then anyone tell me.


DonL

DonL
07-07-2011, 01:26 PM
Well Don I don't know if "That Name" would fly but it is an accurate description....
Maybe something like "Trash Can Forum" would be better....

It could start right off with moving about 2,384 posts into it.....


I forgot to ask, why would that name not fly ?

Around here Bullshit is a natural occurring substance, And the fly's love it.


Have a great day everyone. Take time to smell the roses.


DonL

DonL
07-07-2011, 01:47 PM
Step up to the plate Terry,

It is your turn to Bat.

Make a Home Run for all of your Fans.

You know that they all Love You...

We all know that You are the Best.


DonL

Tom Sawyer
07-07-2011, 02:08 PM
I think you guys all take Ian a little too seriously. I have a very good friend that is from Wales originally and has lived here for over 20 years now. He loves to poke fun at us and we poke fun at him in return. Even though I accuse him of lovingly admiring a herd of sheep, I'm pretty sure he's off them at this point.

If forums were all nicey nicey and polite nobody would visit them for very long would they?

Ian Gills
07-07-2011, 02:25 PM
It's a freedom of speech issue Don (the First Amendment).

I am always careful not to make anything personal, though.

And avoid anything hate-related.

Rarely speak of anything that isn't currently being debated in the media. Or historical.

But your health system sucks for the poorest in society. And the rich don't pay enough taxes. Both of those are about as health and wellness related as you might get. 4th July was great for you but what about those of us that lost the war? Look what happened to our tea.

If you think that's enough to have me deported, then by all means In God You Trust but you would be far from being free.

DonL
07-07-2011, 02:42 PM
I think you guys all take Ian a little too seriously. I have a very good friend that is from Wales originally and has lived here for over 20 years now. He loves to poke fun at us and we poke fun at him in return. Even though I accuse him of lovingly admiring a herd of sheep, I'm pretty sure he's off them at this point.

If forums were all nicey nicey and polite nobody would visit them for very long would they?

Tom,

I have friends form Africa and I can call them the N word in person. They call me a cracker, do I care, hell no.

But when you call people that you do not no, They will kick you cracker ass.

I do not think that i should push my religion on you, Nor will I Knock Your religion.

You can worship the devil If that is what you want to do.

You can BF your Boy friend I do not care. I do not want to watch.

But to live in the USA, then you need to respect our people.

It is not right to live here and talk about our people.

Get You ass back to Mommy, If you do not like it in the USA, You have have the Freedom to get your ass home...

I would suggest going home, If anyone thinks that it is so bad here in the USA.

I do not care where you are from.

There are good people from all over the World.

We all need to all get along, and not bash our fellow Neighbors.


That is my TRUE story, and I am sticking to it... Believe what you want, just don't push your belief on other people.


O and have a great weekend.


DonL

Redwood
07-07-2011, 02:43 PM
Well I like humor as much as anybody else...

Originality in humor is the key to success in comedy though....
When was the last time you heard Cheech & Chong do "Sister Mary Elephant"?
I think that it gets a little boring when someone pops the same old joke out too many times....

Offensive Humor can be fun too, in the right time and place...
Memorial Day, Veterans Day posts belittling the accomplishments of our war veterans go beyond tacky....

Likewise the post about it taking so many Navy Seals to get Osama Bin Laden scored high on the Tacky Factor...
It was a great accomplishment long overdue the single man has caused tremendous suffering here in this country well beyond the thousands that were killed on 9/11....
Our nations economic distress is largely caused by the expense of the "War on Terrorism."
Many people are out of work because of this....
My grandchildren's children will probably be paying off the war debt still.....

Maybe Ian should take his comedy routine and do a little roadshow bringing it to all the VFW and American Legion posts....
Might want to wear body armor and a full face helmet though....

Terry
07-07-2011, 02:44 PM
On the plumbing side, plumbers will say they use Moen, or Delta, or Price Pfisther and nobody gets mad about it.

Three different brands and we're all happy.

Try to talk health care, and we had three opinions. Nobody is happy. I don't get it.
I think even more opinions would make more sense. Healthcare takes different forms all over the world.

When I go in for surgery, the University of Washington, my doctors and caretakers will be from all over the world. A truly international team to help people like me.

Now Cookie would like all of the foreign born doctors and nurses to leave and go back to where they came from. I'm glad they chose to work here in the USA. I say, let them stay and get me fixed.

DonL
07-07-2011, 02:47 PM
It's a freedom of speech issue Don (the First Amendment).

I am always careful not to make anything personal, though.

And avoid anything hate-related.

Rarely speak of anything that isn't currently being debated in the media. Or historical.

But your health system sucks for the poorest in society. And the rich don't pay enough taxes. Both of those are about as health and wellness related as you might get. 4th July was great for you but what about those of us that lost the war? Look what happened to our tea.

If you think that's enough to have me deported, then by all means In God You Trust but you would be far from being free.



I am sorry Ian, I guess I doubled with you.

I think your subject got on the wrong Forum,


Did the boats quit running for your trip back ?

Take a trip to Mexico.

They can take care of you...

DonL
07-07-2011, 02:59 PM
On the plumbing side, plumbers will say they use Moen, or Delta, or Price Pfisther and nobody gets mad about it.

Three different brands and we're all happy.

Try to talk health care, and we had three opinions. Nobody is happy. I don't get it.
I think even more opinion would make more sense. Healthcare takes different forms all over the world.

When I go in for surgery, the University of Washington, my doctors and caretakers will be from all over the world. A truly international team to help people like me.

Now Cookie would like all of the foreign born doctors and nurses to leave and go back to where they came from. I'm glad they chose to work here in the USA. I say, let them stay and get me fixed.


I do like the way your Forums are open Terry.

Your site is one of the best.

We need to help keep it that way....

Having a BS category would make more people happy..


DonL

Terry
07-07-2011, 03:41 PM
Don,
I gave Ian a place to start threads.
Is this better?

DonL
07-07-2011, 03:52 PM
Don,
I gave Ian a place to start threads.
Is this better?

Buddy You know it, You are the best...

DonL

Ian Gills
07-07-2011, 03:52 PM
OK OK, but let's let bygones be bygones.

We can start by raising the debt ceiling.

I don't care if my grandchildren have to pay for it.

One thing I do like about America is people smack you down, and then reward you with your own part of the forum for doing it!

That explains Reagan. I understand now.

If I keep going like this it will be Ian Love before you know it, and that baseball team will be mine.

Thanks Don. Thanks Red. Thanks Cookie....wherever you are.

PS This isn't gonna last is it?

DonL
07-07-2011, 05:06 PM
OK OK, but let's let bygones be bygones.

We can start by raising the debt ceiling.

I don't care if my grandchildren have to pay for it.








One thing I do like about America is people smack you down, and then reward you with your own part of the forum for doing it!

That explains Reagan. I understand now.

If I keep going like this it will be Ian Love before you know it, and that baseball team will be mine.

Thanks Don. Thanks Red. Thanks Cookie....wherever you are.

PS This isn't gonna last is it?

Ian, You can not UN F something once you F it.

That is like making a pregnant women un-pregnant.

I do care what my children and Grand children have to deal with.

What planet are you from ?


I have heard that some people come from Mars.

Are you one, or just an imposter ?


DonL

Tom Sawyer
07-07-2011, 05:44 PM
[QUOTE=DonL;305263]Tom,

But to live in the USA, then you need to respect our people.

It is not right to live here and talk about our people.

Get You ass back to Mommy, If you do not like it in the USA, You have have the Freedom to get your ass home...

I would suggest going home, If anyone thinks that it is so bad here in the USA.

I do not care where you are from.

There are good people from all over the World.

We all need to all get along, and not bash our fellow Neighbors.


Like Terry, my ancestors arrived at Plymouth Rock back in the early 1600's so I guess that by now America is probably my home though my clan hails from Ireland. Again, your guys totally fail to understand the British sense of humor. Perhaps a trip to London and a couple weeks away from the ranch would open your eyes. What Ian is doing is nothing more than good natured ribbing which your thick skin is preventing you from appreciating. As for the "respect" thing, why do foreigners need to respect us? Hell, other than the British and the Aussies, most of them hate us.

Ian Gills
07-07-2011, 05:50 PM
I'm doing great here Don, except for the fact that most of you cannot drive properly (you were never taught correctly and people here are either allowed to drive too old or too young) as well as a few other quibbles (big feet?).

My main chip is all the poor Americans I have to see suffering every day on my way to work or the supermarket.

With no health insurance. Inadequate public education. Few social safety nets.

My complaints are aimed at stimulating debate on how to make life better for them.

If I leave, or stay, their lives will not be any less miserable.

So the boat really does not make any difference. Although it might make my reminders on the uncomfortable truths about America a little bit less common for you and others to live with.

I don't buy those excuses that peoples' misfortunes can be put down to "God's will" or "not trying hard enough". That would all be a little bit too easy.

I like rising to the difficult challenges. We do that in England. It looks like you prefer the easy answers in America.

ballvalve
07-10-2011, 03:14 PM
Don,
I gave Ian a place to start threads.
Is this better?

I am a bit worried about this. I think it was safer without and kept his posts an interesting surprise to attack when found. He's not Larry King after all.

I think Ian just got his first gun.

It would be safer and fairer to title it "big feet forum" or the "America the English mystery" forum.

Ian Gills
07-10-2011, 03:27 PM
It was Don's and Redwood's idea Ballvalve.

Welcome to the party!

I think to think of this as a small part of England in America.

ballvalve
07-10-2011, 03:56 PM
Innocent until proven guilty.

You learnt that from us (together with free speech).

But clearly the best legal professionals, scientists, police etc. did not make it on the boat over.

The pilgrims were Godly people, and bless 'em they try so hard and work such long hours, but otherwise the best craftsmen stayed in England.

With the King.

And it shows.

You guys bring crazy cases to Court. In England, the police wait. But they get you.

Innocent like the guys sent to Australia for stealing a potato to feed his starving family?

Or cursing the queen and ending up tapping rubber in South America.

Sorry, but England learned fairness from America - just not how to make a jury.

ballvalve
07-10-2011, 03:59 PM
It was Don's and Redwood's idea Ballvalve.

Welcome to the party!

I think to think of this as a small part of England in America.

We are doomed! He'll transport us all to Botswana.

Ian Gills
07-10-2011, 05:09 PM
You've already been transported. To here!

The only requirement is taxes to be sent to London.

ballvalve
07-11-2011, 12:04 PM
It was Don's and Redwood's idea Ballvalve.

Welcome to the party!

I think to think of this as a small part of England in America.

I think "what I don't understand about America" would be a much fairer and more attractive forum, and we could all hail to our ideas rather than the now honored and humourously confused Ian. With his first gun.

LOTW
07-11-2011, 12:54 PM
You've already been transported. To here!

The only requirement is taxes to be sent to London.

Every day we should be greatful that Great Britain continues to exist. Because if it does not Prince Chuck may have to come here to find a job that he is qualified for and I do not want to be a passenger in his cab. His daughter-in-law, on the other hand, can visit here as often as she likes. She looks to me like she has some California blood in her. Are we sure that she is a Brit?

Ian Gills
07-11-2011, 12:55 PM
I understand this place well enough. I am just questioning your desires to keep things the way they have always been (post 1776 of course).

And, yes, she is British.

Her feet are small.

ballvalve
07-13-2011, 11:22 AM
We'll only know for sure when her shorts and socks end up on g-bay.

Ian Gills
07-13-2011, 03:12 PM
No, it's quite clear she's British. English women can't wear their husband's size 9's like here in America.

Obama the Plumber
07-13-2011, 05:42 PM
So it's Ian's Corner now? I don't know about small feet, I play some hoops so I like em a little taller. The older I get, the harder it is to bend down that low for that little kiss I like. Ya much!

Ian Gills
07-13-2011, 06:31 PM
Too big for me.

I like my ladies to be smaller than me. But each to their own.

Americans like their ladies tall and their feet big.

Here's to a second term! We need to keep the pesky Conservatives out of Washington at this delicate time.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1299/slide_1299_19174_large.jpg

Obama the Plumber
07-13-2011, 06:35 PM
Who are those little people in the picture?


Just kidding. I was small once too.

Health care for plumbers.
I keep nicking my hands when I'm installing water heaters. Little nicks everywhere.

Ian Gills
07-13-2011, 06:39 PM
Health care for all, surely.

Why just plumbers?

We need to tax the rich and use the money to provide a public option.

Then I won't keep seeing poor Americans standing in the emegency room with non-emergency conditions since that is the only way they can get treatment if they are uninsured.

Americans should be ashamed of the lives its poor citizens lead here. Shame on you.

Share the wealth. There is plenty to go around.

Obama the Plumber
07-13-2011, 06:43 PM
I should talk to my cousin about it. I'm not sure we're related, but I'm guess so. I could do health care.
I have it with work though, so it's been good. I just need to keep working to make sure I maintain it. Some of my buddies have gone through their Cobra though.
They're young yet, but still.

Ian Gills
07-13-2011, 06:50 PM
I think it is disgusting that you can lose access to healthcare under any circumstance.

The rich should pay.