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Ian Gills
01-21-2011, 05:31 AM
You've got to admit that this is just so funny on so many levels.

http://www.citgoheatingoil.com/

You have to take your hat off to the Venezuelans on this one.

I'm not sure which is more amusing.

Chavez helping America, despite the tension between these two countries.

Or America, the richest country in the world, unable and unwilling to help its poorest citizens, so another country has to do it for them!

You should all be ashamed.

ballvalve
01-21-2011, 11:04 AM
So you fell for the Citgo trap, and the madman chavez's ironic, sadistic snub. shame for you.

Shame for America for building schools in Afghanistan and nuclear containers just to be scrapped. Thats heating oil for a thousand citgo programs.

It's all dark humour, and pathetic. Chavez hugs the madman in Iran that advocates jew genocide. They both need a dose of Ricin or some exotic poison from our agents.

Ian Gills
01-21-2011, 01:03 PM
We all know, though, that America wants a few people to go hungry and cold to show what happens if people get lazy.

We all know it could feed and heat those people. But a lot of people here just think that the poor are out to milk the system. So they let all poor suffer, regardless.

That's really what Chavez is trying to expose here. And that in Venezuela, for better or worse, no one goes hungry or cold without some Government help.

I say let the Government here help. And if a few milk the system, who really gives a damn?

Very few people want to be unemployed. Very few people want to live off benefits. Heck, benefits are not the big bucks most Americans think they are. You'd struggle to feed yourself if you were on them.

Most people are decent and just want to earn a living and take care of their families. The Government should be there to pick up the pieces when they can't.

And if America is not man enough to take care of Americans then it looks like Venezuela will.

The King would have never let this happen.

ballvalve
01-22-2011, 11:44 AM
Correct, the king would have long ago snubbed out Chavez, the freedom killer and monster of the peoples will.

Object to Chavez, and parts of you show up in every dumpster in town.

The king would have made his country the 54th or so state after Mexico, Honduras, Panama, India and the better parts of China.

NOW the king has something to work with to feed, house, and warm the poor.

You are moving past socialism into communist-anarchist territory, Ian.

Hopefully you are not applying for citizenship, You would not wish to make that oath.

Just bought a georgeous Apollo 3 way bronze valve. US made. On that we can agree.

Ian Gills
01-22-2011, 07:20 PM
There's nothing wrong with the pledge.

Except the bit that goes "the republic for which it stands".

Republic? It's still ours. It was stolen. I don't need to be a citizen to live here. It's all mine.

So, no I am also not a citizen.

Anyway, I don't really care about Chavez.

What I care about is why America is not helping poor Americans with their heating bills?

ballvalve
01-23-2011, 01:34 PM
Our utility offers 10 to 20% discounts on electric based on income with a 5 line form.

Phone co. gives about 50% discount same way.

Maybe Chavez will add to that

My renters abandoned their propane on my advice and went to finned oil heaters and save about 300$ monthly

Ian Gills
01-23-2011, 05:01 PM
I think the Government should provide the subsidy.

ballvalve
01-25-2011, 08:04 AM
The government should own the utilities, then we would not suffer from their deviant behavior, and usurious, obscene profits.

Ian Gills
01-25-2011, 11:32 AM
I have nothing against normal profit. I do have something against a 50 year old water main breaking and the Federal Government not being willing to cough for it.

I want taxpayer money to improve the area I live in. YOUR taxpayer money.

What is the problem with that? You helping me is called so-ci-e-ty.

God would want that.

And so would the Founding Fathers.

ballvalve
01-26-2011, 09:06 AM
Got a prison gang cutting all the brush and dead trees along the forest fire burned roads in this area. No chains on them though.

Fantastic program, fed funded for the guards and road dept help. Left enough firewood stacked along the road to heat a hundred houses for 2 years.

Teaches the gang bangers how to work, and no energy left at night to beat or molest each other. A little piece of China in America.

Ian Gills
01-27-2011, 03:45 PM
Your 2 million and growing in prisons (the largest prison population in the world) reflects everything that could be improved in America by a little more tax money going to education, healthcare and entitlements.

The alternate view, of course, is that that is exactly what prison is for....to provide healthcare, education, meals and shelter to America's most needy.

Only in America.

I'd rather use tax payer dollars to educate them as kids, provide them with healthecare and provide geneorous entitlements should they slip so now they'd be in paid employment instead, paying taxes and with no need to steal. But that is because I am not greedy.

Dunbar Plumbing
01-29-2011, 02:01 PM
I'm from mugambi and we get food stamps.

ballvalve
01-30-2011, 10:38 AM
I have nothing against normal profit. I do have something against a 50 year old water main breaking and the Federal Government not being willing to cough for it.

I want taxpayer money to improve the area I live in. YOUR taxpayer money.

What is the problem with that? You helping me is called so-ci-e-ty.





God would want that.

And so would the Founding Fathers.

The founding fathers did not have drugs that cost $400,000 for cancer to give them 3 more months on earth.

They did not have liver transplants because that city water main worker [who never saw a water main] drank himself insensible parked behind Joes bar in the county truck all day

Founding fathers long term care was auntie and wife and kids changing his bedpan at home , without oxygen generators

Founding fathers did not get full salary after 25 years work and free heart lung and kidney transplants.

Founding fathers doctors were not greedy slugs that live for golf and money.

They didnt get free glasses, contacts, and new teeth from all the high fructose corn syrup in their MEGA-slurpies.

THAT is why you do not have water in your pipes. All the money went to entitlements and the country club for "doctors"

And by the way, when the doctor bled the patient to death in 1720, he did not have insurance that paid the patients family 6 million dollars. [4 million to the lawyer]

Better think a little harder, Ian about the practicalities of what you suggest.

Only a monster depression, a global war, and a incredible famine will bring people back to reality of the challenges of living - as "god" planned it.

Ian Gills
01-30-2011, 12:02 PM
Ballvalve. It really is not rocket science. The rich give a little more. And many problems will be solved.

They simply do need all the money that they currently have.

A couple of extra pennies in tax on the dollar for those earning over a US$1 million, that's all.

Of course, they'll complain about "jobs" this, and "they'll go to China" that. But America's rich aren't moving. Where to?

They're all mouth.

Tax them a little bit more and we'll all get better public services and infrastructure which are necessary prerequisites for a brighter American future. The Government does not need to cut spending, it needs to boost revenue.

I think the Founding Fathers would want a brighter American future. They each wanted to be King of that future after all.

ballvalve
01-31-2011, 10:01 AM
If the English health care system works, I would be fairly certain that the doctors are on reasonable salaries and the insanely priced drugs are very limited in use.

And I just bet that overweight alcholics are not going to get a new heart, lung, or kidney. That is a needed bit of practicality to insure treatment dollars remain for the public that might respond to care.

And I would guess your system has never heard of the absurd unlimited liability and dollar rewards for errors and omissions.

New Yorker magazine: Recent, treating the homeless in emergency rooms. Outrageous costs with no rewards for patient or people. Complex and interesting issues....

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/01/24/110124fa_fact_gawande

Fix all that and then start the taxing. Then it will do some good. Until then its pissing in the wind.

jimbo
02-06-2011, 07:40 AM
Since socialized gov and med seem to be working so well in GB, I notice Ian came HERE for his medical treatments. They even let him out of the home on weekends so he can catch up on his internet postings!

Ian Gills
02-06-2011, 09:07 AM
No. I came here for the work.

And the healthcare here is great, if you can afford it.

It pains me though to see poor American citizens not getting the healthcare or education they need because the wealthier ones are too tight with their taxes.

Unless you join the armed forces, that is. Then you get all sorts of entitlements and hand-outs that the rest of America can only dream about.

Some Americans even prefer to give their money to the church or charity which often requires a change in belief for the poor to gain access to essential services.

It sucks a little that, if you're poor, you have to believe in God here to get access to church-provided healthcare because the Government won't provide it for you.

There are other religions in other less-reputable countries that do that as well.

ballvalve
02-06-2011, 11:35 AM
Lets all move to Haiti.

Ian Gills
02-06-2011, 11:59 AM
But this isn't Haiti is it? It is the richest country in the world.

So quit the excuses. Man up. And pay for the poor.

Cookie
02-06-2011, 07:08 PM
I want to send my relatives there.


Lets all move to Haiti.

Ian Gills
02-07-2011, 09:28 AM
As a European, I would be utterly disgusted if we had a country like Haiti off of my coast and within my sphere of influence that we did little to help.

Shame on you America. Open your borders.

Cookie
02-07-2011, 12:25 PM
Why doesn't your country take in everybody? Empty the prisons, let them in your country, rehabilitate them with your tax dollars. Let in all the murders, and rapists, yeah, that is a great idea get them out of the USA. Let England take everybody in... then, we won't need guns.

You will.

And, take the rellies I don't want... boy, will you be sorry. You will be on your knees prayin for mercy. lol

Ian Gills
02-07-2011, 01:19 PM
We have always had very generous immigration policies with our ex-colonies.

That includes you.

ballvalve
02-07-2011, 01:24 PM
Let the friggin french fix their mess.

Drop half of Haiti in Paris.

Cookie
02-07-2011, 01:34 PM
The English does very little if anything, for the United States of America, other to condemn us due to ruffled feathers. Infact, no one does anything for the US. Not one other country. Yet, we are there, and when there, get condemn for being there, and then, for not being there. It is always a no-win situation, no matter what we do.

Ian Gills
02-07-2011, 02:41 PM
China does a lot for you. It funds your debts. So do the countries South of the border, which provide a lot of your low-skilled labor without which you would be even less competitive (and there would be no-one to clean your homes or mow your lawns).

If you proclaim to be the bastion of the free world and the best country on earth, you'd best be ready to lead by example.

I have tried to give you hints on what that example could be in the spirit of generating debate.

Lose the guns...

Cookie
02-07-2011, 03:58 PM
Ah, they aint mowing my lawn, or cleaning my house, and if they are for others, it would be better if they were here legally and paying taxes. Close the borders. Make it legal. That would be setting the right example.

Cookie
02-07-2011, 04:35 PM
You got to remember the jobs, that those who are illegally here in our country are taking; are taking jobs, from the real "poor' or lower income born, here. Those jobs are important to those who actually have a right to them. People complain about the homeless, the people on welfare, yet, how many jobs are being filled by those who are here illegally. The answer is not to open the gates either.

What is the answer? Where is the solution? Is it fair for the wealthy to foot the bill for everyone? No, they should not. I am not wealthy. I am not poor. Am I struggling? Yes, especially, after becoming a one-paycheck family with the same amount of bills, but, more people have to be more determined to pull theirselves up by their bootstraps and do it! Go to school, get an education, get a skill, find a job, do it, do it, do it... Look to yourself, find ways legally to make ends meet, have some pride in yourself. If your circumstances are not such that opportunity finds you, you seek it. They sound like pretty words, but they are true. I don't know why anyone would expect another to pay their way, foot the bills, educate them, fix them when they are sick, without them giving to! What is broken, fix it. If another is not happy with their country, with their politics, with their health care system, or educational system then, be part of the solution, not move elsewhere because it looks greener and easier. Nothing is easy. Nothing is ever easy. No one ever said life would be. Americans do alot for other countries, and sometimes, the thanks we get is to see our flag being burned, or hear downgrading things about us. Yet, in our country where everyone finds fault, everyone wants in.

Ian Gills
02-07-2011, 05:18 PM
It is fair to ask the wealthy to foot the bill for the poor because we live in a democracy.

The options, then, are to have wealth redistributed through taxes and the power of the vote or for the poor to steal wealth from the rich.

So we either do things the easy way or the hard.

And there has never been any harm in poking a bit of fun at the yanks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k9XZB6O26w

Redwood
02-07-2011, 09:35 PM
As a European, I would be utterly disgusted if we had a country like Haiti off of my coast and within my sphere of influence that we did little to help.

Shame on you America. Open your borders.

Yes Ian it is appalling that a country like Haiti is surrounded by British Territories such as Anguilla, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Montserrat, and the Turks and Caicos Islands all of which are much closer to Haiti than the US yet the crown does nothing....

No wonder we kicked you brits to the curb 235 years ago....

Ian Gills
02-08-2011, 06:59 AM
Ok, so we have a few islands there. But it's not our sphere of influence is it?

You'd start getting a bit jumpy if we started playing about that close to your shore.

Look what happened with Cuba. And that was over just a few pesky missile sites.

wmills
02-08-2011, 08:38 AM
Ok, so we have a few islands there. But it's not our sphere of influence is it?

You'd start getting a bit jumpy if we started playing about that close to your shore.

Look what happened with Cuba. And that was over just a few pesky missile sites.


And why would we get jumpy with a few brits whose government doesn't trust their people to know how to own/shoot their own guns?

Ian Gills
02-08-2011, 08:53 AM
Look. It's your back yard so take care of it.

I'm always shocked at how people don't take care of their gardens in America.

Cookie
02-08-2011, 08:59 AM
At least we got back yards, look at the sizes of the properties in England! Minus of course where the royalty lives...theirs is huge.

Ian Gills
02-08-2011, 09:10 AM
This is what an English country garden looks like. We plant and tend to the lawn.

In America, they just mow.

That's why they have "yards" and we have "gardens".

Evidently that knowledge was lost on the boat over as well....

http://www.freefoto.com/images/12/54/12_54_1---English-Country-Garden_web.jpg?&k=English+Country+Garden

Cookie
02-08-2011, 09:32 AM
That is pretty but, sorry mate can't hold a candle to mine. I live in the "garden" and even had a pet bee.

ballvalve
02-08-2011, 10:37 AM
And there has never been any harm in poking a bit of fun at the yanks [movie]

You lost me - was that "English humour" about the Americans being slaughtered in that absurd first war with the imbecile Germans and French?

The Germans and French and English owe use 20,000$ + interest for every man wounded or killed - that would solve the national debt problem.

And you Brits still owe us for those liberty ships built by Mr. Kaiser in California for the next bout of idiocy, without which you would have had to eat your shoes and flavour it with lavender from those gardens where you potter about in the short summer.

We have such debt because we have taken on this altruistic world cop stance, which bankrupts us.

We silly yanks have saved England from being Germanys Haiti all too many times. They certainly would not have wanted your foggy island for vacationing, so I suppose you would be a slave state now, pouring iron and making gas for their final solution to the Muslim problem.

Ian Gills
02-08-2011, 10:42 AM
Those debts have long been repaid.

And now we are into credit as an active ally in both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Your debt was not the consequence of our fight for freedom (which you joined late). It is the consequence of your rich not paying enough taxes and the myth that all Americans believe that some day, too, they could be rich.

I'm here to give you a wake up call. You will never be rich.

Except the guy on here that owns his own baseball team.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQtuNfW8HW8

ballvalve
02-09-2011, 08:56 AM
Well, I knew this country was doomed in about 2002, when some dopey 20 year old waitress told me she "bought" 2 houses to make her able to retire in 5 years.

Even a crippled cat could have gotten a house loan then. Then came the shiny faced, late night TV salesmen sipping on a cocoanut, selling the method to make a million in realesate even if you were in debt, bankrupt and an alchoholic. How do you talk and smile at the same time?

Thanks for the token help in the mideast, but we should have all stayed home and Iran would have nuked Saddam by now, the Jews would have eliminated Iran totally, and they could all start to live in peace with some land freed up for more sheep.

Richest in America will soon be the farmer with a water source, a few thousand acres, 4 or 5 good kids that stayed near home, with health and lots of mechanical skills. Richer yet if he is in Kansas and has his own small natural gas well.

I have always said the way to save America is to sell most of Nevada to the Jews. Bring the temple here, no matter what the muslims have to say. Bring in water from Canada. Now they are safe, we have gained some very productive and bright assets, and the national debt is wiped out. We already have your damn bridge in Arizona.