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Ian Gills
12-09-2010, 11:20 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11964641

Thatguy
12-09-2010, 12:35 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

Cookie
12-09-2010, 12:53 PM
Why be upset because you have to pay your way? Student loans is a way of life. My kids was alittle over 17 grand a year. They pay monthly loans. I paid 5 grand a year for each son, they pay the rest. I am very proud of them. I would be ashamed of them if they didn't want to pay their own way. You want to dance you got to pay the fiddler.

And, that mob doesn't look benign to me.

Ian Gills
12-09-2010, 02:56 PM
As I have said before. We pay taxes so we have expectations from our Government. And when those expectations are not met, we protest.

Americans are suckers because they also pay taxes but don't want anything from their Government. Paying the fiddler but not wanting to dance. And they're too lazy to kick up a fuss.

Plus your police have guns so everyone's afraid to speak out. There goes freedom....again.

Cookie
12-09-2010, 03:39 PM
I read where they raised the tuition 3x's the amount, that sounds like your taxes were not high enough in the beginning or raising as they should over increments so, this protest wouldn't happen.

I read where, they attacked the Prince, where is the correct security? And, flares were being thrown. Bottles, flares, breaking windows in the prince's car, that is shameful.

Ian Gills
12-09-2010, 04:22 PM
We do like a fight. In some ways it is cultural.

Cookie
12-10-2010, 03:35 PM
I am not inspired by it, Ian. I think peaceful is the operative word in demonstrations.

Redwood
12-11-2010, 11:50 AM
We do like a fight. In some ways it is cultural.

As is getting your nose bloodied...

From the looks of Camilla in this picture she wishes the Ohio State National Guard was on hand at this demonstration...

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2010/12/10/image7136732.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2/Redwood39/avitars%20and%20emocons/e94740f0.jpg

Ian Gills
12-11-2010, 06:43 PM
That's not the British way Redwood.

Stiff upper lip and if push comes to shove you punch them. Even Camilla and Charles, who was up for a fight.

And they got home safe without a shot being fired.

Guns are for cowards.

Guns are for Americans.

Your daddy taught you no other way. So blame him. And his daddy. Her daddy never taught her how to fight.

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID2782/images/gun_ban.jpg

They were all small on the boat that came over, you see. It runs in the family, like the Ohio State National Guard.

If only one off their daddies had taught them how to fight, perhaps they wouldn't have needed those helmets and guns?

But no. If a couple of eighteen-year old kids riot in America, bring out the army! Send out the lady with her gun.

That's what happens when you lose a King and gain far too many churches.

God Save the King and keep the crown!

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50391000/jpg/_50391843_010828651-1.jpg

Redwood
12-12-2010, 08:06 AM
That's not the British way Redwood.

Stiff upper lip and if push comes to shove you punch them. Even Camilla and Charles, who was up for a fight.

And they got home safe without a shot being fired.

Yea this is a stiff upper lip alright.

I assume the Royal Laundry was busy washing the royal undies that night...

And perhaps the Royal Limo has a few new pine tree air fresheners hanging in it...

Instead of a protection detail with guns the driver had to use the car as a weapon as he mashed the gas and sped away through the crowd...

In the picture below I don't think Chuck was going to step out and protect his wife....

http://images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/517x/22897.jpg

Cookie
12-12-2010, 08:12 AM
Yeah, my daddy was good enough to fight in your country, for your country and no one just threw sticks at him.

Cookie
12-12-2010, 08:14 AM
She's probably just after his money.



That's not the British way Redwood.

Stiff upper lip and if push comes to shove you punch them. Even Camilla and Charles, who was up for a fight.

And they got home safe without a shot being fired.

Guns are for cowards.

Guns are for Americans.

Your daddy taught you no other way. So blame him. And his daddy. Her daddy never taught her how to fight.

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID2782/images/gun_ban.jpg

They were all small on the boat that came over, you see. It runs in the family, like the Ohio State National Guard.

If only one off their daddies had taught them how to fight, perhaps they wouldn't have needed those helmets and guns?

But no. If a couple of eighteen-year old kids riot in America, bring out the army! Send out the lady with her gun.

That's what happens when you lose a King and gain far too many churches.

God Save the King and keep the crown!

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50391000/jpg/_50391843_010828651-1.jpg

Dunbar Plumbing
12-12-2010, 08:48 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/off-with-their-heads-shouted-the-crowd-as-charles-and-camilla-met-rage-in-regent-street-2157412.html


"Off with their heads!"

"But the fact is that this is the worst show of hostility any of the royals have had to face on London's streets in living memory, other than from Irish terrorists. Now that it has happened once, it could happen again, and, as the public spending cuts deepen, Charles and his wife may wonder whether one is altogether safe behind the reinforced windows of a conspicuous Rolls-Royce."


Hrmm.. Kinda conflicting with the topic of this thread don't ya think?

Redwood
12-12-2010, 02:35 PM
I liked this one...

We're powerless to prevent more violence, police forced to admit

By Nigel Morris and Oliver Wright Saturday, 11 December 2010, The Independent, London - Senior politicians last night privately admitted that police do not have the capacity to prevent future outbreaks of vandalism and violence in central London.

With further student demonstrations planned after Christmas, ministers and the Mayor of London Boris Johnson have concluded the police could have done nothing more to prevent the scale of the disturbances.

But they expressed concern that protesters were able to attack a Rolls-Royce carrying the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall as they travelled through the West End. Camilla was seen being prodded in the ribs with a stick through the open window of their vehicle as she and Prince Charles were driven to the Royal Variety Performance at the London Palladium.....

Downing Street later said Mr Cameron had full confidence in the Met Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson and policing of the protest but said there was concern over Prince Charles.

"Clearly there was a specific issue about what happened to the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall yesterday and that is being looked at and we are not going to pre-judge that."

One senior Government source told The Independent: "Clearly things did not go as well as could be hoped – people here weren't desperately happy. We need to get to the bottom of what happened."

The was also disquiet that Sir Paul used a radio interview to suggest the officers protecting Charles and Camilla had shown restraint by not opening fire on the mob chasing the car.

Sir Paul told Radio 4's Today programme: "I do think that the officers who were protecting their Royal Highnesses showed very real restraint – some of those officers were armed.... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/were-powerless-to-prevent-more-violence-police-forced-to-admit-2157413.html

I didn't realize the security detail was French....;)

They had guns but didn't know how to use them.

Ian I thinks ya gotta take off the glasses...
The tint seems to interfere with a clear vision...

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Ian Gills
12-13-2010, 05:51 AM
Your sorry excuse for a police force would have just opened fire.

That's all they are trained to do here.

Redwood
12-13-2010, 09:03 AM
That's not the British way Redwood.

Stiff upper lip and if push comes to shove you punch them. Even Camilla and Charles, who was up for a fight.

And they got home safe without a shot being fired.

Guns are for cowards.

If only one off their daddies had taught them how to fight, perhaps they wouldn't have needed those helmets and guns?

God Save the King and keep the crown!

Ahhh British History through the Rose tinted goggles of Ian Gills...

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St. Brice's Day massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Brice%27s_Day_massacre)

Smerwick (Dun an Oir) massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Smerwick)

Bolton Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolton_Massacre)

Massacre of Glencoe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Glencoe)

Massacre of St George's Fields (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_St_George%27s_Fields)

Boston Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Massacre)

Baylor Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_Massacre)

Waxhaw Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waxhaw_Massacre)

Peterloo Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre)

Waterloo Creek massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo_Creek_massacre)

Myall Creek massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myall_Creek_massacre)

Gippsland massacres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gippsland_massacres)

Amritsar massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amritsar_massacre)

Croke Park Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1920)#Afternoon)

Qissa Khwani bazaar massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qissa_Khwani_bazaar_massacre)

Batang Kali massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batang_Kali_massacre)

Bloody Sunday (1972) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972))

Miami Showband massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Showband_massacre)

Hungerford massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre)

Milltown Cemetery attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milltown_massacre)

Greysteel massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greysteel_massacre)

Loughinisland massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughinisland_massacre)

Dunblane massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre)

Port Arthur massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia))

My My that seems to be a long list of civilized behavior....
It seems as though British troops, Loyalists, Colonies, and even British Civilians with outlawed guns have a long history of Massacres even in recent history...

Ian Gills
12-13-2010, 12:34 PM
Yes, but most of those were just defending our "freedom" and our "values". Besides, civillians have never carried them.

Like Joe half-wit does here.

Guns should be regulated. Like water heaters, they can be dangerous.

I want Government involved in your guns.

Redwood
12-13-2010, 06:05 PM
Yes, but most of those were just defending our "freedom" and our "values". Besides, civillians have never carried them.

On 13 March 1996, unemployed former shopkeeper and former Scout leader Thomas Watt Hamilton (born Thomas Watt, Jr. 10 May 1952) walked into the Dunblane Primary School armed with two 9 mm Browning HP pistols and two Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolvers, all legally held. He was carrying 743 cartridges, and fired his weapons 109 times. The subsequent police investigation revealed that Hamilton had loaded the magazines for his Browning with an alternating combination of full-metal-jacket and hollow-point ammunition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

I guess unemployed shop keepers aren't civilians...

And those school kids were a threat to your freedom and values...

Ian Gills
12-14-2010, 10:27 AM
Yes, but in contrast such events are almost monthly events in America where stupid people are allowed to own guns, as lawmakers sit idly by.

Besides, weapons of that type are now illegal in England since new gun control legislation inspired by the massacre went on to the statute book. Your lawmakers seem to think gun massacres in America are OK and choose not to regulate. Because America does not value human life nor the wellbeing of its citizens.

As of 1997 handguns have been almost completely banned for private ownership in England. Exceptions to the ban include muzzle-loading "blackpowder" guns, pistols produced before 1917, pistols of historical interest (such as pistols used in notable crimes, rare prototypes, unusual serial numbers and so on), starting pistols, pistols that are of particular aesthetic interest (such as engraved or jewelled guns) and shot pistols for pest control. Even the UK's Olympic shooters fall under this ban; shooters can only train in Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, or abroad.

In America, any idiot can own a gun. And since access to a good, free education is limited here you can do the math on how many idiots reside here. Add to that the fact that clever people choose not to own guns and you really have an American crisis.

Redwood
12-14-2010, 11:33 AM
Besides, weapons of that type are now illegal in England since new gun control legislation inspired by the massacre went on to the statute book. Your lawmakers seem to think gun massacres in America are OK and choose not to regulate. Because America does not value human life nor the wellbeing of its citizens.

As of 1997 handguns have been almost completely banned for private ownership in England. Exceptions to the ban include muzzle-loading "blackpowder" guns, pistols produced before 1917, pistols of historical interest (such as pistols used in notable crimes, rare prototypes, unusual serial numbers and so on), starting pistols, pistols that are of particular aesthetic interest (such as engraved or jewelled guns) and shot pistols for pest control. Even the UK's Olympic shooters fall under this ban; shooters can only train in Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, or abroad.

So then only a criminal with no regard for the law can own a gun in England...

I find that comforting....

http://images9.cpcache.com/product/340757589v4_480x480_Front.jpg

Ian Gills
12-14-2010, 12:26 PM
Like it or not, it becomes very easy to identify the bad guys if they are the only ones with the guns.

If a cop stops me there, I get out of my car.

Here I would get shot.

Regulate guns. They are dangerous. Especially for law enforcement.

In 2005/6 the police in England and Wales reported 50 gun homicides. By way of international comparison, in 2004 the police in the United States reported 9,326 gun homicides.

And your country is just five times bigger than mine. Do the math.

Guns are for cowards. Not many ordinary people are willing to kill with their own hands.

asktom
12-14-2010, 07:15 PM
Guns? Folks in my county got guns. Can't say it always makes me feel safe and secure though.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/23/we-are-at-war-christian-identity-racists-and-anti-semites-find-home-in-the-tea-party/

(Yeah, yeah, the article has an agenda. I didn't even look at the links. However, everything in the article referring to people &/or events that happened in the nearby town of Hamilton concurs with what I saw with my own eyes, read in the local newspapers or heard second hand - before this was written.)

Just sayin'

Ian Gills
12-15-2010, 04:36 PM
Another American exercising his rights under the Second Amendment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkFMrAMI9SM
It is time to separate Americans from their Constitution if this is what is happening here.

Cookie
12-15-2010, 05:01 PM
This is from the stressed out society we live in. This could be any county,not just ours. This is so sad. And, so unfortunate.

This is the time of the year, when for so many times are not happy. People who have never lost anything, a person, a job, at this time of the year doesn't realize how hard it is.

This is for me, the hardest time of the year. If I explained, no one would really care, or even understand.

But, for that man who died, his family, the people in the room, my heart goes out to all of them.

Guns, Ian, is not what kills. That is what you got wrong. That is what no matter how good your heart is you may never understand.

What needs fixed is what lies underneath. Any weapon of choice to act on will work. It can be guns, sticks, bombs, anything, those are just the tools, it is what causes those to do the acts that needs addressed.

Jerome2877
12-15-2010, 05:14 PM
Chris Rock had an interesting idea!

Gun control? We need bullet control! I think every bullet should cost $5,000. Because if a bullet cost $5,000, we wouldn't have any innocent bystanders. That'd be it. Every time someone gets shot, people will be like, ''Damn, he must have did something. S**t, they put $20,000 worth of bullets in his ass.'' People would think before they killed somebody, if a bullet cost $5,000. ''Man, l would blow your f**king head off, if l could afford it. l'm gonna get me another job, l'm gonna start saving some money, and you're a dead man! You better hope l can't get no bullets on layaway.''

Ian Gills
12-15-2010, 06:11 PM
Yes, he did have a point.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nFmL0II&feature=related

Basement_Lurker
12-16-2010, 12:50 PM
wow that school board shooting video is disturbing.

Cookie
12-16-2010, 03:35 PM
You can eliminate all the nukes and weapons in the world, but if a person wants to harm another, he will find a way.

The solution is to eliminate the thought process which makes them want to do it in the beginning.

Ian Gills
12-16-2010, 06:53 PM
The solution is to eliminate the thought process which makes them want to do it in the beginning.

I always knew Capitalist America and Communist Russia were one and the same.

Cookie
12-16-2010, 08:31 PM
HA. Not what I meant at all, now... I thought you were smart enough to understand.
We need a less stressful existence. It could start in elementary school. For one, American could stop doing so-called, Achievement tests and then,applying those grades in comparision to test results in China, where kids go to school 7 days a week, 12 hour days; where, the suicide rate is high. Stress takes its toll.

There are many ways to eliminate negative things in society, but reducing the pressure is a good place to start. Then, the need and desire for aggression would diminish as would, the wants for a weapon.

Ian Gills
12-17-2010, 10:20 AM
I agree. And a good way to lower stress is to have good social safety nets (such as generous unemployment benefits), universal health care and free education.

You'd all be a lot more relaxed with those kind of things. So the rich would pay a little more tax but who really cares? I don't know anyone who is rich anyway. I doubt you do either.

Why does everyone in this country look out for the rich so much when so few people here are wealthy?

Redwood
12-17-2010, 03:09 PM
You can eliminate all the nukes and weapons in the world, but if a person wants to harm another, he will find a way

Like in the UK were only criminals can own guns.
If a regular citizen gets pushed over the line they whip out a knife and stab you to death...

Only the method changes the end result is the same...

Somebody Dies!

Ian Gills
12-17-2010, 04:18 PM
99% of all the cowardly Americans that own guns would not have the guts to attack someone using a knife.

That is my point.

Guns depersonalize the killer from the killing. That is why they are for cowards.

I quite like Americans. I just don't like seeing them shoot each other.

So regulate guns. Like you regulate water heaters. And everything will be fine. And American boys will be braver.

Cookie
12-17-2010, 08:14 PM
England will have to eventually change, as terrorism progresses, which it will.

Ian Gills
12-18-2010, 02:32 PM
No country would ever choose to legalize guns after the slaughter we continue to see in the United States where gun ownership is allowed.

Those awful terrorists can only dream of being able to kill the amount of Americans that Americans manage to kill themselves.

9/11 was a puny 3000 American lives in comparison. There are more than three times more American homicides involving guns every year!

Yes, that's three 9/11s involving Americans killing other Americans....every year! And you just sit back and watch.

It looks like America is quite happy for Americans to kill Americans but when it's Muslims doing the killing they start to have a problem.

Weird eh?

So, no, on this one the English will not follow. We'll pass on the guns, thanks. You have taught the world a very valuable lesson through your stupidity. And in case we might forget, you continue to demonstrate it. With 10,000 lives, needlessly lost year after year.

Ban the NRA. Ban the Tea Party. And regulate guns like you do water heaters and airport security. Remember....that's three 9/11s every year caused by your silly Second Amendment. I say it's about time we Amended that Amendment!

I really like American people. Why do Americans not value their own lives? Is it the churches? What are they teaching you there? That shooting people is OK? I just don't get it.

Cookie
12-18-2010, 06:49 PM
Hmm... look how many lives an airplane was capable of taking being used as a weapon of choice.

Remember the aftermath of it all.Not just the deaths. People who will suffer emotionally and physicially due to the terror of it, and to the release of toxic materials in the air. No, Ian, you cannot compare 911 to guns. No country is immuned to what happened that day, any country could be next. Too bad, no one aboard those planes didn't have a gun. The results could had been different.

Ian Gills
12-19-2010, 04:02 PM
Thankfully, owning a Boeing 747 is regulated in the US. As is the installation of a gas water heater.

Not so with guns. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can own one. And hurt someone with it.

We need to regulate firearms so they become less dangerous.

And I bet those school board members have been as emotionally affected as any 9/11 hero.

Thanks to one man and the Second Amendment.

Cookie
12-19-2010, 04:42 PM
No comparison. If one man would had a gun aboard those planes, think how many lives that one gun would had saved. Think of how much suffering it would had saved. How can anyone ever forget people jumping to their deaths? and, the video of the dancing in the streets, after they saw the footage of us Americans on 911.

Anything can be a weapon. Even a shoe. Remember the shoe bomber? What next, ban shoes?

SteveW
12-19-2010, 04:48 PM
Ian,
Apparently not all of your countrymen (and women) agree with your stance on gun control, or for that matter the role of big government:

http://debate2010.telegraph.co.uk/ideaView?id=087A000000004Cf&p=1

Redwood
12-19-2010, 08:44 PM
Ian,
Apparently not all of your countrymen (and women) agree with your stance on gun control, or for that matter the role of big government:

http://debate2010.telegraph.co.uk/ideaView?id=087A000000004Cf&p=1

The poll attached to that was most telling.
Apparently Ian has a Minority Viewpoint there as well.

Ian Gills
12-20-2010, 10:15 AM
I bet none of the people that voted in the poll have ever come to the United States to see the continual blood bath and carnage that is a direct result of the second Amendment and strong pro-gun lobbies such as the NRA.

Every night on my local news someone is being murdered as a result of gun crime.

In most other countries, such news would be national. I hope that puts things into perspective. Americans have just been so numbed by all the pain, suffering and death that is around them that they don't seem to notice any more. Of course they don't really care anyway because they are bought up by their parents to only worry about themselves rather than the suffering of their neighbor. Which is why they hate paying taxes for things like schools and hospitals. Who cares if the neighbor's kid is sick and stupid? Certainly not Americans.

Palin is welcome to keep her gun. But she is out of touch with America. Most of us do not live in Alaska where the bears run wild.

Most of us have jobs in the city to go to. And shops where we buy our food. Poor old Palin has to hunt for hers.

What's your excuse? We need to regulate guns like we regulate electrical panels.

ballvalve
10-02-2011, 09:03 PM
QUOTE=Ian Gills;281980]I bet none of the people that voted in the poll have ever come to the United States to see the continual blood bath and carnage that is a direct result of the second Amendment and strong pro-gun lobbies such as the NRA.

Every night on my local news someone is being murdered as a result of gun crime.

In most other countries, such news would be national. I hope that puts things into perspective. Americans have just been so numbed by all the pain, suffering and death that is around them that they don't seem to notice any more. Of course they don't really care anyway because they are bought up by their parents to only worry about themselves rather than the suffering of their neighbor. Which is why they hate paying taxes for things like schools and hospitals. Who cares if the neighbor's kid is sick and stupid? Certainly not Americans.

Palin is welcome to keep her gun. But she is out of touch with America. Most of us do not live in Alaska where the bears run wild.

Most of us have jobs in the city to go to. And shops where we buy our food. Poor old Palin has to hunt for hers.

What's your excuse? We need to regulate guns like we regulate electrical panels.[/QUOTE]
Amazing that no one responded to this drivel! had to ressurect it.

1] 'Gun' buying has multi layers of regulation. You wont get one, unless you go into the ghetto and get one through your car window like the criminals in England do it

2] 80% of those gun deaths are criminal moron killing bigger criminal moron, a blessing; 10% imbecile married couples shooting one another, and the the remainder random and predictable acts of robbery and mayhem.

3] Any brain dead zombie can buy and change his electrical panel from the neighborhood store, and unless he erects a sign on the street saying he is doing so, he can kill a covey of kids in the future without much liability.

4] If you want to save lives, teach Americans how to drive. By the death level in autos, they should be far more regulated than guns. Thats 30 to 50,000 per year and triple that for paralyzed persons. Its reducing only because of better air bags and engineering - the drivers are still not taught how to drive.

5] want to see real acts of gun violence? Read the Mexican and Columbian news.

6] North America is just a one point above Europe for 'intentional' murder rates. We just do it faster instead of with clubs and knives. Wanna die? go to Africa. Or certain parts of Washington DC.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

And not many will read this, but Ian, its right up your alley:

http://www.allsafedefense.com/news/International/BritvsUSA.htm

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LOTW
10-03-2011, 08:25 AM
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Thankfully, owning a Boeing 747 is regulated in the US. As is the installation of a gas water heater.

Not so with guns. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can own one. And hurt someone with it.

We need to regulate firearms so they become less dangerous.

It's a gorgeous fall day here in Iowa. I am planning on doing my parental duty today by playing hooky with one of my sons. I intend to take him out early from school today and teach him how to use a handgun. I have a S&W model 41, which is a good quality .22 automatic. We will go to a free public handgun range which is provided by the U.S. Army's Corps of Engineers. That is my idea of an appropriate government "regulation" of firearms which makes them less dangerous. The range was recently refurbished as part of an Eagle Scout's public service project and is quite nice. My son is 12, which is a good age for this activity.

Ian Gills
10-03-2011, 09:48 AM
The design of guns should be Federally regulated so they do not go off by accident, for example if the safety is on.

At least that would be a nice start.

Other products are tested and inspected. Why not guns?

We need to get Government involved in firearms. Like they are in liquor.

ballvalve
10-03-2011, 10:58 AM
All new handguns must meet a severe drop test with safety on or off and not discharge. Amonst others. They are VERY involved.

But before you continue the tirade, check the world murder rate. I'd rather be shot than be hacked with a sword or sharpened leaf spring.

Shot another feral, likely rabid cat from my balcony yesterday. More dangerous than Palins grizzly bears.

Then came home late and found my giant German Shepherd playing with either a fox or coyote in the yard. Guess he is bored. These we need to eat the cats.

Ian Gills
10-03-2011, 04:38 PM
I think all new handguns should be dropped in the trash.

There is simply no need for them.


http://www.onlygoodmovies.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/once-upon-a-time-in-the-west.jpg
Picture added by Terry

http://www.terrylove.com/images/ian_gun_control.jpg

LOTW
10-04-2011, 07:21 AM
Ian, if you admire well built American made brass pumps you would enjoy a S&W Model 41.

Ian Gills
10-04-2011, 07:28 AM
Good point.

BobL43
10-04-2011, 07:54 AM
I bet none of the people that voted in the poll have ever come to the United States to see the continual blood bath and carnage that is a direct result of the second Amendment and strong pro-gun lobbies such as the NRA.

Every night on my local news someone is being murdered as a result of gun crime.

In most other countries, such news would be national. I hope that puts things into perspective. Americans have just been so numbed by all the pain, suffering and death that is around them that they don't seem to notice any more. Of course they don't really care anyway because they are bought up by their parents to only worry about themselves rather than the suffering of their neighbor. Which is why they hate paying taxes for things like schools and hospitals. Who cares if the neighbor's kid is sick and stupid? Certainly not Americans.

Palin is welcome to keep her gun. But she is out of touch with America. Most of us do not live in Alaska where the bears run wild.

Most of us have jobs in the city to go to. And shops where we buy our food. Poor old Palin has to hunt for hers.

What's your excuse? We need to regulate guns like we regulate electrical panels.

If your name was John, you'd be called Johnny One Note
:p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKhLGsoktDM

ballvalve
10-04-2011, 11:30 AM
Europe and America having about the same murder rate per 100,000, 4.5 and 5.5 - I say move to czech/slovakia - 1.7 and lots of good sausage and wildnerness and slivovitz. And those killings are mostly mafia and drunks in pubs.

Ian can go to South Africa with I think 45 per. Bring your brass M-16. And testes.

rayh78
10-04-2011, 12:33 PM
Not saying our system can be considered anywhere near good.
But, also would not say UK stress free. You have a lot of Doctors going private, so people can have the UK much higher tax rate and still pay. And you can wait a while for needed treatment.
What about when you go into a nursing home? Just like here, you have to first spend most of your life savings before the UK national health will pay for it. You can only have about 5 to 20K in assests. Dont remember the exact amounts.
Also, there is still at least a possibility guns could become popular in the UK after another 20 years or so.
With immigration in the UK in past few years, you also will see more and more gangs and drugs. The criminals will find a way over time to get their hands on guns. With enough money you can get just about anything. That portion of the population is increasing in the UK and you will see more of this.
Past couple of years London has already been seeing the high crime increase. And just like here. The government will sooner or later not be able to support the ever-increasing population on government assistance. And in the UK they even get a lot more benefits. Any country can handle a certain percentage, but there a limit on resources and you there is only so many paying taxes.
Then at least some people will want to defend themselves, and not have only criminals with the guns. Then the debate starts
Still a nice country, if you can ignore the weather of course.

master plumber mark
10-04-2011, 02:32 PM
I think all new handguns should be dropped in the trash.

There is simply no need for them.


http://www.onlygoodmovies.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/once-upon-a-time-in-the-west.jpg


Picture added by Terry

I will keep my gun Ian, thank you

I went to an extremely bad neighgorhood today to give an estimate.
I did not have warm fuzzy feelings when I got out of the truck , nasty looks from the porches around the home, people milling about on the sidewalks,
so I grabbed my 380 and put it in my pocket....

I went inside and kept an eye on the truck ....
the fellow whom I knew told me that on both sides of his home their had been murders and robberies that had gone down over the past three months.. and he had been broken into twice....

this was mostly a welfare section 8 neighborhood with very freindly people ....
basically your kind of people Ian...... all welfare folks...

when I left the home I waited till the "native population" on the streets and on the porches had dispersed...so their was less chance of a confrontation or anything that might make me have to defend myself.. (the gun only holds 6 rounds)

I dont care to look for trouble and I will avoid it at all cost,

Ian. when you need a gun and dont have one,
you will be singing a very different tune ........

Ian Gills
10-04-2011, 06:14 PM
Unless you are under 5 feet tall Mark there is no need to own a gun.

Surely you can handle yourself?

ballvalve
10-05-2011, 11:38 AM
Recall "Raiders of the lost ark"? the scene where he is fighting some giant arab with a 4' long sword? decided that the pistol was the best way out, no time to fool with losing a arm or head. Best gun statement ever filmed.

When you are surrounded by 6] 300 pounders with 100 pound of gold chains on them and their pants at their knees, in their hood, you will need a 9 or 11 shot 9mm. Happiness is a warm gun, mama. Not a cane.

LOTW
10-05-2011, 12:55 PM
I agree. And a good way to lower stress is to have good social safety nets (such as generous unemployment benefits), universal health care and free education.

You'd all be a lot more relaxed with those kind of things. So the rich would pay a little more tax but who really cares? I don't know anyone who is rich anyway. I doubt you do either.

Why does everyone in this country look out for the rich so much when so few people here are wealthy?

Ian, what do you propose we do with Greece, Italy and the other failed European states which have collapsed because no one there wants to work for a living. I propose that we leave their carcasses lie where they are so that we have a constant reminder of what overgenerous social programs can result in.

master plumber mark
10-05-2011, 03:22 PM
Unless you are under 5 feet tall Mark there is no need to own a gun.

Surely you can handle yourself?

Ian ...who said that they will fight fair like
they do in shitty old England???

I wish I was as tough as you ,
but I have had the shit beat out
of me before when I was younger .....
and I wont let it ever happen again...

I probably could not survive the same attack at
my present age and recover as quickly as
I did when I was in my late 20s..

broken ribs are fun Ian, you ought to try a few
on to see how you like laughing with them....

IAN you do know what it means to have the shit
beat out of you..... correct...??? basically you are so beat up
that the next morning you literally shit out everything
in your body....its actually your bodys way of starting
the healing process... oh what a fun suprise that is
to wake up to the next day.:mad::eek::eek:

as far as being cut up with Razors or knives,
I would rather not have to go one on one in a knife fight
either.....defensive wounds from knives are sometimes not repairable and many tendons in your hands and arms do not
ever heal again......


I would rather just point a gun at them and let them
make the decision as to wether they feel lucky or not..

IAN.....maybe if you tell them that you voted for Obama
they might take it easy on you....

well do you feel lucky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maBJzJgYjto




:o

Ian Gills
10-05-2011, 04:09 PM
I have confidence in passers by (especially Americans) and the police.

Besides, you are all way too paranoid here. Most of the violence is gang on gang.

There is no thuggery like there is in Europe.

Which means that you are all carrying guns needlessly. And guns breed guns.

I'd rather take my chances with any thug or group of thugs than have a shoot out.

You got beat up but you didn't die. And your family will be grateful for that even if you're not. Heck, we've all been beat up at one time or another.

Guns kill. And your statistics show that.


because no one there wants to work for a living.

Many Americans seriously entertain the idea that people would rather not work for a living. Have you ever seen the measly size of a welfare check? Can you seriously say that it's fun to be unemployed?

People want to work. They want dignity. And if that means giving them a helping hand when times are rough, so be it.

The approach here seems to be to treat people like animals. No work, no food.

Just what are the churches teaching Americans here?

Tax the churches.

ballvalve
10-06-2011, 11:09 AM
Many Americans want to work, but have no clue HOW to work, raised by gerbels and cockroaches, whose babysitters put them on a deranged video game 8 hours a day.

Then they expect 18$ an hour to operate a smart wrench to bolt up a car door thats hanging from a robot. They'll do it faster and quieter in Brazil for 4$ an hour.

Ask for a phillips screwdriver and they bring you a crowbar.

ballvalve
10-06-2011, 11:10 AM
Many Americans want to work, but have no clue HOW to work, raised by gerbels and cockroaches, whose babysitters put them on a deranged video game 8 hours a day.

Then they expect 18$ an hour to operate a smart wrench to bolt up a car door thats hanging from a robot. They'll do it faster and quieter in Brazil for 4$ an hour.

Ask for a phillips screwdriver and they bring you a crowbar.

Ian Gills
10-06-2011, 04:20 PM
That's why this country needs to focus on education to give its children the best start in life.

ballvalve
10-07-2011, 10:47 AM
14124

Dad needs to teach them starting at age 3, but many have no father of any merit or known location. They only use screwdrivers in the slums to stab each other with. Hammers are car openers. The schools sold off the mechanical workshops and bought computers.

Here is a better place for a kid then in front of the tube. Big enough to grease all 42 fittings now.

LOTW
10-07-2011, 11:43 AM
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grease fittings [/QUOTE]


I bet Ian does not know what a zerk is, one of the best words in our American language.

Ian Gills
10-07-2011, 01:41 PM
Sorry, but I only speak English.

ballvalve
10-08-2011, 11:06 AM
Mr. Zerks Mansion was in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and still stands, he was the Bill gates of the early 1900's and his zerk was an I-pod of the day.

Now all we get are kitchen magicians and juicers for inventions.

http://jeep.us41.org/lube/rightwheel.jpg

And by the way, Ian, that excavator was built in America, with an Iowa engine, a German hydraulic pump, and American Boom and arm and bucket and hydralic rams and hoses. I think Hitachi built the basic undercarriage. 5000 amazing trouble free hours, and one bucket of dirt is your day with a shovel. can place a rock the size of a volkswagon like a toothpick.

Ian Gills
10-08-2011, 04:23 PM
Surely all the American-made parts are no longer original working items?

TJanak
10-08-2011, 07:37 PM
Mr. Zerks Mansion was in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and still stands, he was the Bill gates of the early 1900's and his zerk was an I-pod of the day.

Now all we get are kitchen magicians and juicers for inventions.

http://jeep.us41.org/lube/rightwheel.jpg

And by the way, Ian, that excavator was built in America, with an Iowa engine, a German hydraulic pump, and American Boom and arm and bucket and hydralic rams and hoses. I think Hitachi built the basic undercarriage. 5000 amazing trouble free hours, and one bucket of dirt is your day with a shovel. can place a rock the size of a volkswagon like a toothpick.

Somebody has a suspension lift

BobL43
10-10-2011, 09:21 AM
Surely all the American-made parts are no longer original working items?

That gave me the urge to purge. Umm, what is that aroma here, Ian cooking?

ballvalve
10-10-2011, 11:54 AM
Surely all the American-made parts are no longer original working items?

Cute English humour.

Actually, the main hydraulic pump is not German, but US. And its all original without any repairs but a leaking o-ring. The swing motor, which rotates about 20,000#'s of US iron, quick enough to get you dizzy, is original and strong. The rotator bearing, which is about the weight of your car, kept well greased, should go 15,000 hours.

One of the boom cylinders - these are all John Deere built, weighs about 1200 pounds, and they have a fairly predictable rebuild life of about 4 to 8,000 hours. This is NOT a Saturn Vue.

Absolutely no gears or drivelines - pure hydraulic motion, which means if you meticulously change the filters and add about 10 pounds of magnets to the bottom of the 85 gallon hydraulic tank, and use DELO instead of hydraulic fluid, you can get 15,000 hours out of most components.

I have a pure US built JD dozer, has an unheard of 15,000 hours on it , and have only changed the muffler and rebuilt cylinders. Starts in the SNOW without any glow plugs or ether with a 1/2 second click of the key. Not a Mercedes or Volkswagon diesel can come close to its incredible mechanics. Same for the starting of the excavator engine.

There is a good reason why all those John Deere machines are roaming your English countryside.

ballvalve
10-10-2011, 11:54 AM
repeat - this site has a few glitches

Ian Gills
10-10-2011, 04:12 PM
As long as we keep all that American machinery off the road and on the building site, I'm good.

Should keep the traffic moving...