pine twig came out of small hole into toilet bowl. where did it come from??

I sure hope ANYone, SOMEone can help me. No plumbers out there seem to belive me or think im crazy. I found this site because im in the process of having a cadet 3 installed in my house, i will get back to you all on that, this site has helped me chose what is best for our home, and i hope it works!...but, last night, before having the new AS cadet 3 installed in my home, when i flushed the toilet, i noticed green pine needles going into my bowl, coming out of the little holes at the rim where the water comes out. so, i flushed agian and looked under the rim, and saw more pine needled peeking out,.. i pulled out a 5 inch pine twig. the needles were GREEN, it was alive and not dead.
at first i thougth, maybe the twig was stuck in there during packageing.. (anything can happen), but then the pine needleds wouldnt be green, they would be dead.... i know the water that fills the bowl, comes from the tank, so i looked in the tank, the water was clean and clear.... where does THAT water come from?... how in the world did a 5 inch pine twig get into my toilet, and end up coming out one of those little wholes that fills the bowl???? does ANYone know this, or have had this happen??? im so dumbfounded by this, and no one has ever heard of this and thinks im crazy. Thank you all so much for your help. (and pray that my cadet 3 works well for me, ive been struggling over 2 months to try to find the perfect flushing toilet/ within price range)... and it was between the toto drake and the AS cadet 3. i picked the cadet because of the smooth inside bowl, the inside bowl of the drake had crevasases in it that reviews stated were hard to clean and get a plunger over.
but my main consern is the darn pine twig that came out of the hole, where did it come from?? thank you agian. (sorry so long winded)

AS Cadet 3's are noted for their frequent problems, but that sure sounds like a new one even for AS.

it was my old toilet that had the twig in it. i just had the AM cadet 3 installed today, and i HATE the way it looks. its so small that it sticks out in the middle of my bathroom, becuase it had to cover the hole from where my other toilet was. I live in an apartment so they cant cut a new hole.
All i have to say is, it better work better than my last one. My last one only had a 350 MAP and it clogged ALL the time (unknown name- Lamosa/Sahara). The reason i got the cadet 3 is because it has an MAP of 800 - 1000., which is best flushing standard. it has a 3" flush valve and a 2 1/8" glazed trapway. if it doesnt proform well, i will be putting my OLD toilet back in, and selling this one. (i cant return it to the store, as it was my apartment managers that replaced it)... i just so happen to keep the old toilet.

Toilet manufacturers have learned how to excell on the MAP test. That only tells one part of the story. The originator of that test says that anything over 500g is probably overkill. It also doesn't test long-term reliability, repairability, noise, splashing, and other flush parameters. Keep in mind that it is testing the flush of plastic wrapped paste...the real thing acts differently. you may have a 14" rough-in, which will make a 12" rough-in toilet stick out an extra 2". the only company that could pull that back is a Toto with the Unifit adapter...not all of the Totos use this, but it DOES work well.

Seems like only Ian and mysef like cadet 3's, though I have a toto now that works fine. Should flush well if it passed pine needles.

Pine needles. Interesting job for Sherlock. Maybe the toilet sat in the yard for awhile before being installed.

Its Christmas, maybe it came on a truck with trees.

Maybe the plumbers kid was bored while dad fiddled around. My kid filled every hole in my shop with things you would not imagine.

Took 2 hours to get the bottle caps, toilet paper and zip ties out of a 600$ 5 stage goulds booster pump. Kids and rats do odd things with stuff.

I have never seen a toilet which had rim holes large enough to pull a "5 inch pine twig" through them. But the only place it could have come from was inside the toilet tank when it was flushed. IF there was only ONE pine twig, then you would NOT have any evidence left in the tank. Your space behind the tank is because you bought a 12" toilet instead of a 14" one, and that is NOT an American Standard design fault. The reason it sticks out into the room, and that would be the case even if you had purchased a 14" one, is that they no longer produce special bowls for 14" toilets. They use the same one as the 12" toilets, but make the tank "thicker" so it fills the 2" gap behind the tank.

mystery of the twig, yes... the former toilet WAS indeed set out in the lawn while putting in new flooring, and the twig must of gotten into the tank somehow, and worked its way around the bowl and out.
after useing my cadet 3 last night, it does flush well, flushes great. it does sit out too far, the tank wobbles and wouldnt tighten down to the bowl, had to put shims in it, and the lid to the tank doesnt fit. But, i will make myself like it, after all.. it does what its supose to... "flush".

Try using a tank and lid cover that might help with it fitting. Or make it look less noticeable.

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mystery of the twig, yes... the former toilet WAS indeed set out in the lawn while putting in new flooring, and the twig must of gotten into the tank somehow, and worked its way around the bowl and out.
after useing my cadet 3 last night, it does flush well, flushes great. it does sit out too far, the tank wobbles and wouldnt tighten down to the bowl, had to put shims in it, and the lid to the tank doesnt fit. But, i will make myself like it, after all.. it does what its supose to... "flush".

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If the tank wobbles, the tank is not tight to the bowl and the lid doesn't fit, it sounds like whoever installed it didn't know what he was doing

I heard of some weird diets, but this takes the cake, try something else.

If the tank wobbles, the tank is not tight to the bowl and the lid doesn't fit, it sounds like whoever installed it didn't know what he was doing

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Yes, Ive read other notes that say its "difficult, but it *can* be done" to tighten down the tank to the bowl, im just too afraid to do it myself, (i cracked my last toilet at the base because of over tightening), and im out of money to pay another 96.00 to have yet another pluming company come out to fix this, so for now ive got shims put between the toilet and tank. (is this okay, will it harm anything?). Also, not much i can do about the lid not fitting the tank properly, for now, ive double side taped it to the tank so it doesnt slide around.

The AS Cadet 3 is a great toilet. Certainly one of the best and one for the history books.

And a little bit of movement is OK between the tank and the bowl.

Even on a Toto.

Leave the lid alone. That sounds fine too.