Toto Soiree: do I need offset valve for water supply?

Hi Terry,

I will be replacing my existing toilet with a Toto Soiree. Present water supply is 6" from centerline (and only 2-1/2 to 3" from floor) and according to Toto specs, the Soiree needs 8". Toto tech support directed me to an offset valve kit made by Dahl Bros (www.dahlvalve.com/brochure/Totokit.pdf goes straight to a picture of it) but it's ugly and clunky-looking. I also spoke with Brasscraft who told me of two components that would work together for their version of a solution. Although it looks like it would be a little cleaner, it's still pretty clunky-looking; also, it's not specifically designated for Toto installations as the Dahl one is.

Questions:
1. Does the Soiree really need 8" to the water supply? Somewhere on your site someone posted that they installed a Soiree with only 6".
2. If I do need to offset, do you (anyone) know of a clean, good-looking solution?

Marie

The Soiree and Guinevere works at 6"
The Ultramax works at 3"
And yet the spec sheet recommends 8", that doesn't mean it has to be 8" though.





The back of the Soiree is less than 9", or 4.5" on center. So 5.5" off center would work.

It's nice to be able to turn the knob on the valve without jamming your fingers and be able to see it easily. Since it doesn't need to be turned off often, a little compromise is generally acceptable. Built from scratch for it, you'd want to install it where they suggest, but on a retrofit, as long as it will fit, function may not be as easy, but it works.

I would certainly change to a 1/4 turn valve while you are in the process of installing a new toilet. These make turning water on/off quick and easy plus since toilet supply valves should always be full on to operate, this would pretty much assure that your valve was not just half way on. You can get these configured with the outlet parallel with the wall or at 90 degrees, whichever best fits your situation.