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MACPLUMB 777
07-18-2010, 03:35 PM
TO ALL PLUMBERS, DRAIN CLEANERS AND PROPERTIES OWNERS
TO LET YOU ALL KNOW AS OF JULY THE FIRST 2010 I HAVE GONE TO WORK AS A OUTSIDE SALESMAN
FOR TROJAN WORLDWIDE INC.
JERRY MAC HODGE
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"World's best sewer tools", may be what the CALL them, not necessarily what they are. I sold my Spartan snakes, (which I got when I purchased another plumber's business), and stayed with my "PowerSnake", which I have used for about 38 years.
MACPLUMB 777
07-21-2010, 08:29 AM
I disagree with you hj, !
I make my statement from the point of view that I have used
Williams powersnake and many other
kinds and mfg's of different sewer cleaning machines in a wide
variety of jobs,
I would classify a powersnake as a rental or diy type machine but
nothing a serous drain cleaning professional,
I would rate mytana, gorlitz, duracable, etc. as the types of machines
of open basket type machines that a true professional would use and
I am open to discuss with you or anybody on this forum,
I state my opinions based on the wide range of experience I have
had using a very wide variety of machines over a 35 year career
working in real job situations
MACPLUMB 777
07-21-2010, 09:01 AM
The reason that i stated that Trojan worldwide makes the worlds best
equipment is because most plumbers and drain cleaning professionals
prefer a enclosed or sealed drum
machine as the best overall type machine to use both inside buildings
and outside in the open spaces,
a sewer machine is a very expensive investment for professionals to
make and are are expected to last a very long time doing literally
millions of drain jobs
that have to be well built and rugged enough to stand upto very harsh
conditions and yet light weight enough to handled over rough ground
and up and down staircases without causing physical injury to the
professional using it and in my considered professional opinion the
Trojan series of machines make the most
out of these quality's in the right portions to last many years, stand up
to rough treatment, have the motor power to run long distances, and
clear very heavy stoppages,
Here, the machines also have to be "light" enough to carry up a ladder onto the roof, and the Spartan machines are NOT that way. My Burton, which is 35 years old, separates into a lightweight frame and the drum which can be carried up individually. I have used the Spartan 100 and 300, and did not consider them superior to the Burton, or the Generals I used back in Chicago. "Best" is in the eyes of the beholder and what he grew up with.
MACPLUMB 777
07-21-2010, 09:45 PM
I have taken a 100 machine up on thousands of roofs even two story ones when needed !
I could break down a 300 machine carry on roof put back together and power snake a
main line though roof vent and take back to truck in a 1 hr to 1 1/2 hrs. All day long
the 1065 you run from the ground up over the top rung of the ladder either with one or two men !
I have run millions of drains all over so. Calif. And the northwest pacific for more then
30 years !
ONE million drains divided buy 30 years (work weeks) equals 167 drains a day, especially if you have done millionS. You must have been a very busy person. I have been doing it for SIXTY YEARS, and haven't come close to a million yet.
Redwood
07-22-2010, 07:13 AM
Here, the machines also have to be "light" enough to carry up a ladder onto the roof, and the Spartan machines are NOT that way. My Burton, which is 35 years old, separates into a lightweight frame and the drum which can be carried up individually. I have used the Spartan 100 and 300, and did not consider them superior to the Burton, or the Generals I used back in Chicago. "Best" is in the eyes of the beholder and what he grew up with.
I've cleaned a few drains in my time and I guess our on the roof experience is very different...
I for one have never been one to be on the roof clearing drains...
Maybe it's the construction of the homes around here with the steep pitched roofs because of the snow...
Maybe it's those older homes with the cedar shingled or, slate roof....
Maybe its the morning dew or, the light frost on that roof...
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MACPLUMB 777
07-22-2010, 08:34 AM
My work days and weeks were 12-14 hours per day 6-7 days a week including all holidays,
children birthdays, etc. And 1/3 to 1/2 my day snaking drains from the roof, clean outs,
pulled fixtures, and any other way needed to clear a blockage, you are welcome to call
my ex's to confirm this !
Doherty Plumbing
07-22-2010, 10:47 PM
My work days and weeks were 12-14 hours per day 6-7 days a week including all holidays,
children birthdays, etc. And 1/3 to 1/2 my day snaking drains from the roof, clean outs,
pulled fixtures, and any other way needed to clear a blockage, you are welcome to call
my ex's to confirm this !
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And to say that a drain cleaning machine is a very expensive investment isn't true what-so-ever. If you spend $2500 on a drain cleaning machine and it last you 5 years before it completely blows up there is a pretty good chance you have made more then your money back.
The most important thing to me is quality of the cables for the machines.
Ian Gills
07-25-2010, 01:30 PM
I'm thinking of buying my first snake as a DIYer.
It looks to me like the K-50 is the machine of choice, for my small drains anyway.
dlarrivee
07-25-2010, 02:18 PM
MACPLUMB 777 I'm pretty sure you call them the best because you are a SALES MAN, and it's in your best interest to tell people you only sell the best... Experience means nothing when you're trying to make commission.
Ian Gills
07-26-2010, 01:42 PM
Can't wait to get my K-50...
Doherty Plumbing
07-26-2010, 03:01 PM
I have the new K-400 and it's a great machine. It works great for what it does and it would appear to get a similar model (or atleast style) from Trojan Inc I would have to pay $3,000 USD vs the $750 CAD I paid for my Ridgid which does a great job and works just fine....
I'm all for having great tools that are a good quality and will last a long time. But I couldn't justify spending an addtional $2250 for the Trojan to do the same job.
For the price of a Trojan I could buy 4 Ridgid machines....
(This is for a k400 with autofeed and a Trojan Pony (#TR5555) with autofeed.
Although the Trojan does come with 6 more feet of cable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AssTyme
07-26-2010, 03:31 PM
Why do the Trojan machines look almost identical to the Spartan machines ? I LOVE my Spartan 100 & 300 :o)))
AssTyme
07-26-2010, 03:34 PM
I have the new K-400 and it's a great machine. It works great for what it does and it would appear to get a similar model (or atleast style) from Trojan Inc I would have to pay $3,000 USD vs the $750 CAD I paid for my Ridgid which does a great job and works just fine....
I'm all for having great tools that are a good quality and will last a long time. But I couldn't justify spending an addtional $2250 for the Trojan to do the same job.
For the price of a Trojan I could buy 4 Ridgid machines....
(This is for a k400 with autofeed and a Trojan Pony (#TR5555) with autofeed.
Although the Trojan does come with 6 more feet of cable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The K-400 and Spartan 300 are not even close to being in the same class.
Doherty Plumbing
07-26-2010, 03:43 PM
haha I have never seen, or heard of, Spartan machines but I just googled them and they do look pretty much identical.
Doherty Plumbing
07-26-2010, 03:44 PM
The K-400 and Spartan 300 are not even close to being in the same class.
I'm sure they're not. I would also assume the Trojan Pony is better then the Ridgid K-400. But it's also 4x the price.
MACPLUMB 777
07-28-2010, 02:39 PM
Sorry to take so long getting back to you on these questions and statements you posted
# 12.
I only tell it like it is I would not try to sell something I did not have complete faith in as I stand behind the machines, the same as Trojan Worldwide does with the best service plan in the trades
#14
Apples and Oranges the Rigid k400 and Trojan pony are (2) different machines to compare it to the Trojan "Colt" which sells for $999.00 dollars U.S. Add the style and kind of cable you want.
# 15
The Trojan main sewer equipment is patterned after spartan by someone who had many years experience selling Spartan, but the components are all made and assembled in the U.S.A. All parts are 100 percent interchangeable with Spartans.
# 18
The Trojan pony runs either 5/8"x82' or .55''x110' feet of cable to run 3",4",or 6" main sewer line it will also accept with adapters the colt drums running 1/2''x75' for 2'',3'', 4'' sewers, 13/32'' x 75 cables for 1 1/2'',2'',& 3'' sewers or 5/16'' x 35 ft 1/4'' x 35 for small drains and is what i consider the best and most versatile machine on the market.
#18 a
You can also add second or 3rd. main line cables by changing out the drums to run over 246' of main sewer
MACPLUMB 777
07-28-2010, 02:57 PM
I almost missed
#10
Trojan makes the worlds finest quality oil tempered, heat treated, music wire cables and is the first to start offering stainless steel cables over 2 years ago and now has stainless steel closet augers,
Redwood
07-28-2010, 06:14 PM
Hey Jerry I heard that their battery powered Pony and Stallion have all kinds of torque over the AC powered units..
MACPLUMB 777
07-28-2010, 06:20 PM
Yes they do if you hook up a 1065 to a STALLION battery model with the 1065 running it will stop the 1065 and make it run backwards,
and the battery powered COLT can run a week snaking drains on one charge !
MACPLUMB 777
07-28-2010, 06:25 PM
Trojan battery powered machines are missing something that you cannot run any other machine without
extension cords !
So when you are up to your ankles in sewer water, there is no grounded plug around,
or you just want to save time setting up and reloading your equipment
Trojan stallion or colt is the way to go !
AssTyme
07-29-2010, 11:29 AM
I'm sure they're not. I would also assume the Trojan Pony is better then the Ridgid K-400. But it's also 4x the price.
4X the price gets you 20X more machine :)
I bought my PowerSnake in 1975 for about $1,500 with 3 drums and cables. I just replaced its frame because the motor mount finally rusted off, and I have only replaced about 5 cables, so my amortization costs are very low, particularly since I charge a fee every time I use it. Other companies now have their own versions which look just like mine.
Redwood
07-31-2010, 04:28 PM
I bought my PowerSnake in 1975 for about $1,500 with 3 drums and cables. I just replaced its frame because the motor mount finally rusted off, and I have only replaced about 5 cables, so my amortization costs are very low, particularly since I charge a fee every time I use it. Other companies now have their own versions which look just like mine.
At 7 years service life to a cable I guess it's safe to assume you aren't keeping the machine really busy with work...
MACPLUMB 777
07-31-2010, 10:17 PM
at 7 years service life to a cable i guess it's safe to assume you aren't keeping the machine really busy with work...
Yes professional plumbers that do drain cleaning for a living and not as a sideline when
nothing else is happening run approx 5 to 10 drains a day and the best are lucky to get a
year or so out of a main line cable before it becomes too soft or worn out !
I am sad to say I do not see any one using a power snake that much when there are better
designed drain cleaning machines with power cable feeds etc. That Williams does not
have and by the way I have their current catalog in front of me
I believe in knowing not only the products I sell but also what others are selling also !
AssTyme
08-01-2010, 07:21 AM
Yes professional plumbers that do drain cleaning for a living and not as a sideline when
nothing else is happening run approx 5 to 10 drains a day and the best are lucky to get a
year or so out of a main line cable before it becomes too soft or worn out !
I am sad to say I do not see any one using a power snake that much when there are better
designed drain cleaning machines with power cable feeds etc. That Williams does not
have and by the way I have their current catalog in front of me
I believe in knowing not only the products I sell but also what others are selling also !
You would be a very busy boy doing 5 - 10 main line jobs every day ! Hard to believe one could make a main line cable last one year with 2500+ jobs.
MACPLUMB 777
08-01-2010, 09:58 AM
It is fairly easy to do that many calls a day when you are working at a drain cleaning
service company only, with 24 hour a day 7 days a week on call service times !
As for example Roto Rooter was back in the old days of the 70's and before
and if you are a true drain professional you know how to take care of your machines
as while as your cables after all they are your bread and butter !
I do not abuse my cables. But I do not consider sewer and drain cleaning my "bread and butter". If all I did was sewers and drains, then I might do 10 a day, but then I would not do the other things which really pay my bills.
AssTyme
08-01-2010, 03:49 PM
I do not abuse my cables. But I do not consider sewer and drain cleaning my "bread and butter". If all I did was sewers and drains, then I might do 10 a day, but then I would not do the other things which really pay my bills.
I think 10 drain calls a day would pay most anybodies bills ???
Not when the other calls are more profitable. I am a plumber who does drain cleaning, NOT a drain cleaner who does plumbing. And they have to be very minor drain jobs to do 10 in a day. The guys doing 10 a day are usually charging $59.99, or less, a drain. My MINIMUM is twice that and the one I did this morning ran $650.00.
MACPLUMB 777
08-04-2010, 08:36 AM
I used to charge twice that and still managed to do 10 or more drain calls a day and yes some of them were easy but again some of them were more time consuming and i only got four or
five calls done those days,
i have also spent two or more days working on the same drain problem which evolved
digging and either repair or replacing the complete sewer line, for example one time
280' x 6" clay sewer main for a 400 unit apartment complex.
And yes i am also a MASTER PLUMBER who does drains but I also know and respect the
man and women who only do drain work for a living !
Hairyhosebib
08-28-2010, 04:16 PM
I am curious if your company has a urinal auger like the one General Wire makes? It sure would be nice if some company would make one so that it is attached to a leader like a Marco toilet auger and would have a removable head so that essentially the cables could be hooked together so that it could go further down the line once the cable has cleared the trap.
I am also curious about the idea of joining say, 10 ft lengths of cables together instead of a 100 ft. You could make the cable as long as you wanted within reason. If you kink a section you would only have to replace a section. I would prefer the snap lock. The one thing I don't like about a Spartan is they use roll pins to join cables and heads. I am not a fan of Ridgid at all, they use a quarter turn screw to join cables and heads. They are not a very good machine at all. This is the choice of the day shift plumbing shop at ASU. You should see all the machines setting around with tags on them in an un operable condition. It does not help that there are 15 guys that don't care how they are taken care of either. On the night shift I finally got my boss to buy a Spartan 100, 1065 and a 2001.
ANY cable connection is a potential failure point, which is why I NEVER even consider a sectional cable. Besides the need to have an "elephant trunk" sticking out behind it to control the cable. I have had my current cables for over 10 years, proper use will usually prevent any damage to them. My PowerSnake also uses roll pins, but they may be the safest way to connect cables and heads together. Bolts and "snap pins" can self disengage, or break, under the right conditions.
MACPLUMB 777
06-28-2011, 07:38 PM
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freeflow
03-15-2012, 08:19 PM
I have taken a 100 machine up on thousands of roofs even two story ones when needed !
I could break down a 300 machine carry on roof put back together and power snake a
main line though roof vent and take back to truck in a 1 hr to 1 1/2 hrs. All day long
the 1065 you run from the ground up over the top rung of the ladder either with one or two men !
I have run millions of drains all over so. Calif. And the northwest pacific for more then
30 years ! That was when we were young and bold , now we old and our nuts and backs are cold , thinking about taking a my tanna m661 in one piece(after 45 yo I wised up and took it apart) and up on a roof makes me sweat in my sleep
MACPLUMB 777
03-16-2012, 01:22 PM
Yes me too these days !
Hackney plumbing
03-16-2012, 04:21 PM
So shoot me some prices on a 100' color camera that can record to my laptop and I can use my laptop as the monitor. I would also need a locator and the camera would need to have a sonde.
I might even could come get it and see it work first. A business trip to Houston sounds good to me.
quote; I have run millions of drains all over so. Calif. And the northwest pacific for more then
30 years !
Figuring a 200 day work year, just doing one million works out to about 170 drains a day. You must be exhausted.
MACPLUMB 777
03-19-2012, 08:16 AM
So who only works 200 days a year, ? ?
Try 350 or more days a year was what i was working most of my life !
MACPLUMB 777
03-19-2012, 08:24 AM
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PipeInspection
04-10-2012, 07:14 PM
New to the site, but thought I'd drop a post to say hello.
Looks like we have a fellow Pipe Camera provider here.
Hope all is wells.
Paul