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mchristo
04-18-2010, 08:18 AM
Is there an alternative to a wax ring for the Soiree (with pvc outlet connection)?
I need to move the flange and when I do, it will be too close to radiant floor heat and would melt a wax ring.

I was thinking about silicone?

Terry
04-18-2010, 08:24 AM
The Fluidmaster waxsless seal works on the Unifit.
Just make sure you don't follow directions.

Push the Fluidmaster funnel onto the Unifit, and then install the Unift to the floor flange.

mchristo
04-18-2010, 08:29 AM
Thanks Terry,

is this the seal you are referring to? http://www.fluidmaster.com/index.asp?bhcp=1


Thanks a million!

jadnashua
04-18-2010, 11:03 AM
That link shows all of the Fluidmaster replacment bits, but yes, the waxless seal will work, I have several on my toilets. You can get them at HD. You need to ensure that the pipe inside is clean and smooth since the seal is made by a big, soft, rubber o-ring - the walls must be clean to get a good seal. On PVC or ABS, it's not a problem, but could be with an older cast iron pipe.

mchristo
04-19-2010, 06:43 AM
have you ever tried the Sani Seal Waxless gasket?

SaniSeal
09-02-2011, 06:40 PM
The Sani Seal is a new waxless toilet seal.

We have come a long way since 2010.

The Sani Seal is THE solution to the wax seal problem. Unlike other waxless seals, the Sani Seal Toilet Gasket is familiar and logical.

We designed the shape and material of the Sani Seal so that one single gasket will work with nearly all toilet to flange applications. Firstly, it works with every single flange, even cast iron. The material remains flexible so that it may conform to uneven floors. It works on flanges that are 3/8" above or 3/8" below the finished floor. It is incredibly easy to stack for deeper flanges. With wax one has to mold two wax rings together and bring the toilet straight down, so that the toilet does not come down at an angle and cause the double wax rings to break their shape and collapse inward.

It is extremely EASY to install and made of flexible, durable material and coated with a medical-grade, water-proof material that are guaranteed to last.
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It's designed to hold the bolts up and stay in place making it extremely easy to set the toilet. If you forget something you can pull the toilet back up and reset it on the same Sani Seal.

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We won Retailers Choice award at the National Hardware Show this year.

Sani Seal Toilet Gasket is MADE IN USA.

Please check out our website at sanisealgasket.com (http://sanisealgasket.com) for testimonials and more information.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGtx__yXcBM

Gary Swart
09-02-2011, 11:20 PM
Mr. Saniseal has violated the posting rules for this forum. This is not to judge the product he is selling, I have no information on it. The Fluidmaster is a proven product. The Saniseal may or may not be an improvement. Just remember this guy is selling them.

Terry Love
09-02-2011, 11:38 PM
Gary,
I'm letting this one go. I would like to see a few of these in person and use a few to see how they work.
If they want to send me some, that would be nice.
Terry


Update, I bought some and have been using them on two bathrooms in my home. They seem to work fine.
12/11/2012

SteveW
09-03-2011, 07:19 AM
I am interested in hearing more about the new gasket myself.

For completeness of this thread, would remind folks that Fernco also makes a waxless seal. I used 2 of them in my house and so far so good. I like the fact that it has molded-in "barbs" instead of using a separate rubber o-ring. One piece. Simple.

SaniSeal
09-03-2011, 07:46 AM
Gary, you are right, Fluidmaster is proven and we like Fluidmaster. We just believe we have a toilet bowl to flange gasket that is waxless but works like wax, which is ideal because toilets and the flanges they bolt to are made around that idea; and also in so many ways our gasket works much better than wax. I don't mean to spam and didn't try to deceive people and pretend I'm not with Sani Seal. I took a risk replying to the post in such a way, but I feel all that information is necessary for someone to quickly understand what Sani Seal is. I'm the web developer at Sani Seal, I'm really not here to sell, but to inform and create "buzz".

Terry, I appreciate you allowing this discussion, I would be happy to send you some.

SteveW
09-03-2011, 08:08 AM
So Terry,
Where would you use your first Saniseal?
Would you try it on a customer's house, or would you try it at your own home? I know you install different toilets at your house to give them first-hand knowledge - is this a place where you would do the same thing with a new technology?

Terry
09-03-2011, 08:26 AM
It would be my home so I can see the long term affect.
Besides, I move things around here and not dealing with wax for that is always nice. Mine are like musical chairs.

SteveW
09-03-2011, 10:22 AM
Sounds like fun!

You could have a "toilet of the week" sort of theme. Or a "throne for the day".

jadnashua
09-03-2011, 12:30 PM
Unless it's a real dog, it take more than a day to evaluate a toilet. Unfortuneately, some of the testing agencies only get that one-day result. One reason I like this site - long-term test results from more than one source.

SteveW
09-03-2011, 02:57 PM
Good point, Jim.

Sort of like testing out a car - it's one thing to look under the hood, it's another to spend a few weeks in the driver's seat...

Terry
09-03-2011, 10:44 PM
Yes, and it's important to have a few people over to test sit the throne.

It's always funny to hear people come out for the first time and say "Hey, the seat is warm!"
Yes, it surprises some people to sit on a heated bidet seat for the first time.

JerryR
09-05-2011, 09:01 PM
I'm the web developer at Sani Seal, I'm really not here to sell, but to inform and create "buzz".


This looks like a nice product and I was going to order a few using your online store.
I did not order because of my concern of lack of typical credit card number web security.


As the Web Developer perhaps you can explain something to me.

The Store site states: "The Sani Seal Store is encrypted with 256bit keys and authenticated by C O M O D O.
Credit Card data is not stored on our servers and is only encrypted and relayed to PayPalís secure servers for payment processing."

1- Why is there not a link to a secure PayPal site if one wants to use it?
2- Why is the site where customers input credit card information directly NOT a secure https:// URL?

Jerry

SaniSeal
09-06-2011, 05:33 AM
I embedded the store in an iframe on that page to keep the site fluid. The store is at https://sanisealgasket.com/store and is embedded as https://. I could make the page I embedded it in https also, but because I put the Facebook thing on the left, if you checked your https connection in the browser it would say it's secure but not all elements are secure.

I decided not to add the PayPal Check Out button because sometimes when you redirect to PayPal it gives some sort of error and people were getting failed attempts at ordering and just gave up. Maybe I will put it back on the checkout page anyway.
We are also on Amazon.

Check out the store as it is and let me know if you think it'd be better to leave it as it is and not embedded please. Also please let me know if you think it'd be best to have the Pay Pal Check out button and/or link to buy at Amazon.

Thanks for letting me know your thoughts on it.

http://www.terrylove.com/images/sani_seal_package.jpg

JerryR
09-07-2011, 02:57 PM
Check out the store as it is and let me know if you think it'd be better to leave it as it is and not embedded please. Also please let me know if you think it'd be best to have the Pay Pal Check out button and/or link to buy at Amazon.

Thanks for letting me know your thoughts on it.

I think you will lose sales without the base page either being an https or having a direct PayPal Check Out button.

I am going to order but will use a special credit card that has a very low credit limit. I only use this card when ordering items with questionable security so I can monitor it for abuse with limited risk.

Jerry

BobL43
09-08-2011, 07:54 AM
I think you will lose sales without the base page either being an https or having a direct PayPal Check Out button.

I am going to order but will use a special credit card that has a very low credit limit. I only use this card when ordering items with questionable security so I can monitor it for abuse with limited risk.

Jerry

so order it from Amazon.com and pay for it from amazon's shopping cart. OR, generate a temporary credit card number if your bank still provides them; Discover just stopped issuing them and said they would cover any fraud. Citibank may still provide them.

JerryR
09-09-2011, 10:00 PM
I think you will lose sales without the base page either being an https or having a direct PayPal Check Out button.

I am going to order but will use a special credit card that has a very low credit limit. I only use this card when ordering items with questionable security so I can monitor it for abuse with limited risk.

Jerry

Well I took the "leap" and ordered 3 saniseals on Wednesday via the store link. Here it is Saturday and order still shows "pending.". Is that the norm?

Jerry

SaniSeal
09-10-2011, 05:49 AM
Well I took the "leap" and ordered 3 saniseals on Wednesday via the store link. Here it is Saturday and order still shows "pending.". Is that the norm?

Jerry

Jerry,
The order was placed Wed. after business hours so it was shipped Thursday morning. PayPal automatically sends an email with tracking numbers, but in case you did not receive it, we have emailed you the tracking number. We do not have the "order status" part of the backend of the store finished to where it syncs with PayPal shipping yet. Your package is in your state now and should be delivered today or Monday.

JerryR
09-10-2011, 08:24 AM
Thanks for following up.

FYI, I just went back through every email from Wednesday until today.

I got 2 emails from, SaniSeal at 6:12 PM EST Wednesday confirming the order and one this morning from James at SaniSeal in reply to my inquiry about the shipment..

I never got any emails from PayPal regarding anything related to any SaniSeal order or shipment.

This is not a complaint but just customer feedback to help you tighten up the web ordering and shipping notice process.

Jerry

SaniSeal
09-12-2011, 11:29 AM
Jerry,
Thank you I appreciate that. Sorry, I'm not sure why you didn't receive the status shipped confirmation email from PayPal. I am looking into the status update on the backend and the shipping confirmation now. Also, if it's not too much trouble, please let us know how your use of the Sani Seal goes for you; your opinion on the overall product and your installation.

BobL43
09-25-2011, 02:55 PM
Thanks for following up.

FYI, I just went back through every email from Wednesday until today.

I got 2 emails from, SaniSeal at 6:12 PM EST Wednesday confirming the order and one this morning from James at SaniSeal in reply to my inquiry about the shipment..

I never got any emails from PayPal regarding anything related to any SaniSeal order or shipment.

This is not a complaint but just customer feedback to help you tighten up the web ordering and shipping notice process.

Jerry

So Jerry, What ever happened with the Sani-Seals you ordered? did you get them and install them? Wazzup?

k9mlxj
09-27-2011, 01:35 AM
Hi,

I wonder if the SaniSeal would be able to address the issue of an uneven internal lining of a CI pipe?

I used a FluidMaster no-wax gasket and it wasn't working perfectly--drain flies slipped thru' the rubber gasket.


Thx.

k9mlxj
09-27-2011, 01:35 AM
Hi,

I wonder if the SaniSeal would be able to address the issue of an uneven internal lining of a CI pipe?

I used a FluidMaster no-wax gasket and it wasn't working perfectly--drain flies slipped thru' the rubber gasket.


Thx.

SaniSeal
09-27-2011, 08:05 AM
Hi,

I wonder if the SaniSeal would be able to address the issue of an uneven internal lining of a CI pipe?

I used a FluidMaster no-wax gasket and it wasn't working perfectly--drain flies slipped thru' the rubber gasket.


Thx.

I've heard of a black larva that eats through wax in RVs and we have sold to people that inquired about that issue. They have not reported back on it.

We have not tested the Sani Seal in that environment, but I can say because you can use sealants such as silicone with the Sani Seal it will probably solve your issue that way. It may also solve your issue without the use of sealants.

JerryR
10-15-2011, 10:28 PM
So Jerry, What ever happened with the Sani-Seals you ordered? did you get them and install them? Wazzup?

Bob,

Here is my report.

I ordered 3 saniseals and they arrived about 3 days after placing the order.

I just finished a bathroom remodel last week. Had plumber install new tub, vanity, new flange and R&R my Toto Drake after tile guy got done.

I asked plumber to use the saniseal. He was reluctant but he was did the install. The flange was about even with the finished floor after the tile guy added leveler, tile mortar and tile. Installation went fine and he was happy with results.

After that bath was done we had floor tile replaced in master bath. I removed and installed that Toto Eco Drake myself. That original flange about 1/4" above finished floor. It went fine. The only difference was when I set the toilet the normal feeling of a wax seal being squished was not there. It felt like it was sitting on a soft pillow.

Well as luck would have it one of the flange to toilet bolts had a crappy thread so I had to pull the toilet and replace the bolt with another new one. I was happy that I had the saniseal as it took no time at all to pull the bowl, replace the bolt and not have to clean and replace a messy wax seal.

The 3rd seal will be going on a toilet at our other house that is rocking and we have some sewer gas smell occationaly.

When we received the saniseals they look black rather than the green color in the logo. In bright light you can see that they are VERY DARK GREEN.

Overall I think these are winners. Time wil tell.

Jerry

http://www.terrylove.com/images/sani_seal_1.jpg

BobL43
10-16-2011, 08:45 AM
Thanks Jerry, I appreciate the report on them. I will probably buy one or 2 myself now.

Bob

golsenut
06-15-2012, 07:44 AM
It would be my home so I can see the long term affect.
Besides, I move things around here and not dealing with wax for that is always nice. Mine are like musical chairs.

Do you have any information on the long term reliability of the sani seal gasket. I am lookng at the fernco vs the sani seal on a new toilet

BobL43
06-15-2012, 08:32 AM
Do you have any information on the long term reliability of the sani seal gasket. I am lookng at the fernco vs the sani seal on a new toilet
I purchased 2 sani-seals directly from them a few months ago and installed them without any problems whatsoever. They are still in place, no leaks, and I forgot all about them until now, so that is a good thing.