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amat_plumb
04-01-2010, 09:47 AM
I like to use wax rings that have the plastic funnel/flange/bell built into them. Seem to provide a more straightforward installation.

Will using one of these compromise the flushing power of a Toto toilet? -which I plan on buying soon

Terry
04-01-2010, 09:56 AM
The outlet of the Toto trayway is 2-1/8"

The inner horn of the wax ring is larger then that.

amat_plumb
04-01-2010, 10:21 AM
arent there Totos with 3" trapways??

amat_plumb
04-01-2010, 10:28 AM
and where/how can I buy one anyway


in the GTA area , Ontario, Canada??

Gary Swart
04-01-2010, 10:52 AM
Do not use wax rings with bell flanges. They frequently cause problems and are totally unnecessary.

Terry
04-01-2010, 11:00 AM
arent there Totos with 3" trapways??


No.
Toto makes toilets with 3" flush valves.
That's the part that the flapper attaches to, and goes between tank and bowl.

The only toilet with a 3" trapway is made in Australia by Caroma.
They can't use a siphon on the flush, the trap is too large.
They need to use a "wash down" flush.

A trap larger then 2-1/8" is very hard to siphon.
That's why the Caroma uses washdown.

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/drake_spec_gif.gif
Toto Drake with siphon jet flush.
The flush valve from the tank to the bowl is 3"
The outlet of the trap is 2-1/8"

krow
04-01-2010, 03:30 PM
and where/how can I buy one anyway


in the GTA area , Ontario, Canada??Dupont Plumbing Supply, or Bath In Style carry Toto or any designer type fixture store.

SteveW
04-01-2010, 06:25 PM
Terry - your explanation really helps. The siphon jet design explains why I have noticed my Toto Ultramax II seems to "suck" waste out of the bowl, like a commercial airplane's toilet, rather than "push" it down like a washdown toilet. I never realized that difference before.

The Toto 3" flush valve/2 1/8" trap design works GREAT. Can handle just about anything a human can produce without hiccuping.