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Ian Gills
12-07-2009, 05:21 PM
Which ones and when?

I wouldn't touch one now for love or money.

But I am guessing if you guys can make a damn good pump (Zoeller), seat (Toto - I wouldn't want to use one as a toilet though) and a valve (Apollo) then it shouldn't have been too much of a stretch to make a good car.

What went wrong?

FloridaOrange
12-07-2009, 06:28 PM
Fords are great cars Ian. Even your counterparts across the pond drive them. I'm on my fifth one, though the latest is the oldest. The '04 mustang was awesome, just changed the oil and put gas in. All the latest (99 and on) modular motors are great.

What do you think is a good car? Toyota's and Honda's were better for reliability but not anymore. When they were better they lacked severly in other departments, (interior, suspension).

My sister just got rid of her Audi, it's common that after 60-80k miles they develope problems that become cost prohibitive to keep. Are jags still English made? They are really crappy once the warranty runs out.

Get a new Stang....that will change your mind. It might even put some pep in your step.

What do you drive?

jimbo
12-07-2009, 07:05 PM
We all know what MG stands for ( My God what's wrong with it now!)

Rich B
12-08-2009, 06:00 AM
English built cars were some of the most unreliable vehicles I ever worked on back in the mid 60's. Most mechanics didn't like to touch them and there were a few specialty shops that sprang up in my area that worked on them. The sports cars that were popular at the time were some of the worst. Underpowered, poor handling, electrical issues constantly. Triumphs, MG's and and Jaguars were also pretty poor for reliability.

American cars were way better. The Japanese and German built cars eventually easily surpassed all others for reliability. Many cars built today are really good from everyone.....Ford seems to be the leader right now in American quality.....I am a GM man......

Ian Gills
12-08-2009, 08:35 AM
I drive a Toyota because I adore the reliability and can live without a quality interior.

I agree that British cars, for the most part, were rubbish.

But there is something about American cars I just do not trust. I could live with a Ford but the rest look a little too light on their loafers for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzpx_jUUA0

FloridaOrange
12-08-2009, 09:13 AM
But there is something about American cars I just do not trust.....

Are you afraid the car is going to boot you out and not let you back in? ;)

Ian Gills
12-08-2009, 09:36 AM
They're just a bit socially conservative in terms of the handling and fiscally liberal in terms of the fuel consumption.

FloridaOrange
12-08-2009, 09:59 AM
I really like my sister's V6 Solara but I'd take a V6 Sport Edition Ford Fusion over it anyday of the week.

Ian Gills
12-08-2009, 12:08 PM
It's all the V this and V that I don't like about heavy American cars.

Just look at this European Ford for instance, which you might buy for your seventeen year old or even your wife.

http://www.fordeumicrosites.com/en-gb/focusst/flash.html

A five cyclinder, 2.5 liter engine but with a turbo so you can rag it way past 6000rpm.

That's a real car.

FloridaOrange
12-08-2009, 12:20 PM
Hell, I'd rock that as a daily driver. Ford is supposed to be offering almost all there cars with 1 size smaller motor but with a turbo. I'm all for that.

For fun (weekend car) though you absolutely cannot go wrong with a V8, preferably all aluminum.

You guys across the pond would love bigger cars.....that is if your roads weren't so damn tiny. The european guys who bring mustangs/vettes/callengers over there get a lot of attention.

I'd actually love to to have the Ford AU. car lineup available here.

http://www.drivearabia.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/fgfalconxr8.jpg

Ian Gills
12-08-2009, 02:00 PM
I have never driven anything with more than 4 cylinders in it.

Question: if one of your cylinders on a V8 stops firing, because a spark plug has gone for example, do you notice it?

FloridaOrange
12-08-2009, 02:06 PM
Yes, but less so than if it only had 4 cylinders.
As far as V8's sucking gas, it depends on the situation. The mustang I took up to GA got 31mpg on the highway.
My somewhat built Mach1 got 25+ on a run to the other side of the state.

Scuba_Dave
12-08-2009, 02:59 PM
Insurance companies charge more for turbo's & anything like that
Also more for sports cars & cars that are stolen the most
I have a '05 Ford F150, before that a 1999 Isuzu SUV (great deal)

Ian Gills
12-08-2009, 06:20 PM
Insurance companies seem to charge me more period.

Can I get some advice please.

I came to America 4 years ago and have been driving here that long. They would not consider my driving record in other countries because America is just odd like that.

Anyway, since I have been driving here I have had no accidents and not even a ticket in that time.

For the first few years I would change my policy every six months to get my insurance premiums down. For the past year or two I have stuck with the same company.

But unlike elsewhere where I have lived, my premiums keep going up slightly every six months when I stay with the same company, even though my record is clean and they should go down.

Should I stay with the same company or become a rate whore once again?

How does it work in the US? Will loyalty be repaid?

I'm paying $800 every six months for an old Toyota.

FloridaOrange
12-08-2009, 06:52 PM
Do you have multiple car coverage, or can you have car coverage with the same company that provides your homeowner's insurance?

I pay $190...........................a year for the F150 :D. I'm covered if I decide to plow someone pretty well except they won't fix my truck.

Even before the pickemup, the Mustang wasn't too bad. As Dave mentioned, insurance costs more if you have a car that is high on the list of stolen cars. The other thing to consider is if you have a car which is high cost to repair (cost for parts and such).

Just get a Mustang Ian....you won't regret it, and none of that wussy V6 crap either.

Scuba_Dave
12-08-2009, 07:14 PM
How old is old ?
I pay less then that for my truck....but we get a low mileage discount - under 7k miles a year, and we have house insurance thru the same company too - another discount

http://www.dallasdreamcars.net/showroom_pics/Bel_Air_Front_Driverside.jpg

Rich B
12-09-2009, 04:55 AM
I have driven nothing but pickup trucks or a suburban. Presently I own a GMC Duramax diesel 4x4 pickup. Insurance where I live is the highest rates in the country. I have always needed a big vehicle as I am a drag racer and have a race car and trailer to tow to the race track. I have one vehicle and use it everyday. My commute to work is short so fuel usage is not really a big deal. I work 5 miles from home and have never commuted much further than that in 30 years. I love my truck...big, burly and it has a monster under the hood. It is a turbo diesel and has enough torque to pull anything.......Japan has continued to enlarge their vehicles to satisfy the US market but they don't build anything that can do what my truck does. I wouldn't buy one even if they did......I did own a Toyota pickup once and it was a ligthweight mini truck. About the only thing it was good for was good mileage. I did own Ford built Capri once and it got 30mpg and was not a bad little car. I commuted about 20-25 miles one way with that thing at the time. Gas prices were maybe .50 cents a gallon back then and I worked in a gas station so I got some gas free.....

Rich B
12-09-2009, 04:57 AM
How old is old ?
I pay less then that for my truck....but we get a low mileage discount - under 7k miles a year, and we have house insurance thru the same company too - another discount

http://www.dallasdreamcars.net/showroom_pics/Bel_Air_Front_Driverside.jpg


That '57 Chev is a beauty......283....3 on the tree or a p/g or turboglide....

FloridaOrange
12-09-2009, 05:26 AM
...as I am a drag racer and have a race car and trailer to tow to the race track..

What class do you run in Rich? Car, times, etc. details.
I've only run at the track a few times as it's an hour plus and I've never had a dedicated track car but my father has and my brother's father in law ran a self sponsored Pro Street Trans Am.

My father's last race toy was a '70 CJ with a 440 mag. Tubbed and chopped. We lived in Army housing then....the MP's really gave him hell over having that "on base".

Cass
12-09-2009, 06:47 AM
These are Hot cars.....

http://www2.hawaii.edu/~wesp/pic/blue69ss.jpg

Cass
12-09-2009, 06:48 AM
So is this....

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/238/516297761_77101c633a.jpg

Cass
12-09-2009, 06:53 AM
My all time faveorite...67' Ford Shelby Cobra...stock with 500 HP ....OH YEAH!!!!!

http://www.mustangspecs.com/carpics/67gt5001.jpg


And a few had this motor.........


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2312/2195618986_8e6344809b.jpg

Pushing 629 HP from the factory.......

Rich B
12-09-2009, 07:25 AM
I have been a "serious" drag racer since I was infected with the bug in the 60's as a teenager. Since I am a mechanic and was born with a wrench in my hand..LOL....I lived thru the muscle car era and worked on many cars people only dream about today. I raced at the US Nationals in 1966 with my partner. We had a '57 Chevy sedan delivery. They were very popular back then. We built another car a few years later and set the NHRA national record with that one. I got married, had kids and had to quit racing.....that marriage went south a number of years later and I went back to drag racing and have been doing it ever since. I have had a lot of cars. I race both locally in bracket racing and have raced in big time NHRA races. I have won a national event in S/G anda Lucas Oil Series race in S/C. I have had Stockers, Super Stockers, S/G-bracket cars and 2 dragsters. I presently race a 235" wheelbase RaceTech dragster. It runs 7.70-7.80 at about 170mph in the 1/4mile. I am 62 years old and have almost as much fun today doing it as when I was 18! Thas why we do it. I built racing engines for over 10 years and worked in a small race engine machine shop-engine shop. A good friend had a '68 Chevelle he raced with engines I built and he owned it for many many years. It ran as quick as high 9's and he sold it last year to a man who lives in France. The car was shipped over there and he is tickled with it.... $44K was what it took to buy it. I have another good friend who owns a 1970 Boss 429 Mustang. He has owned it for many years and he says it's his retirement $$$. The way prices have gone lately on those cars he might not be so well off anymore.....I love cars...and so do most of my friends we are GEARHEADS....I will post some pictures if I can find them on my computer...


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o172/RichB88/0902071244.jpghttp://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o172/RichB88/File0003.jpghttp://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o172/RichB88/MapleGrove071.jpg


My last 3 cars. 1998 to the present......

FloridaOrange
12-09-2009, 07:41 AM
Sounds awesome Rich. 170 @ ~ 7.70 is moving!

Rich B
12-09-2009, 07:53 AM
Yes it is Matt....In a dragster it is very stable though. They are very popular cars in fast bracket racing. The solid blue car is my latest. 509 BB Chev burning methanol and carburated. The Firebird was a mid 10 second car at 125. It had a relatively stock LT-1 engine and factory EFI. Rules limited modifications but they still are very fast for what you have to work with. Wheelstands are routine for those cars and on only 9" wide radial slicks......Florida has some good tracks...been there. Moroso in West Palm. It is now called Palm Beach International Raceway. Bradenton, Gainesville......Too hot though in the summer months for me and it rains too often during the afternoons......It's a great sport but way to costly these days. I don't go nearly as much as I used to and a big part of it is the costs to race overall are way up.....and looks like it will one day be governed out of existence by people intent on having us all live in a tree with the animals.....LOL

FloridaOrange
12-09-2009, 08:41 AM
Nice wheel stand. Yes from what I understand the LT-1 were very responsive, the LSx motors are stout as well. I'm a Ford fan though and I really like the modular motors, they turn really nice numbers for their sizes.

I'm halfway between Bradenton and an 1/8 mile at Immokolee (which is a crap track). My last mustang was supposed to be good for high 12's N/A (with a decent driver) but hopefully the next (maybe an '04 cobra) will be good for mid 11's with tires. That may be a bit ambiteous for a daily driver but we'll see.

Rich B
12-09-2009, 09:24 AM
Matt....Ford and Chrysler have some cars out this past year that are out there racing in Stock and the Mustangs are rediculously underrated on HP and unbelievably fast. They have a 4 valve 5.3 or 5.4litre supercharged engine and I have seen times in the lower 9's at 140.....That is unherad of for a categorie that was dominated by muscle cars of the '60s. A '69 Camaro with a 396 or 427 or a Max Wedge mopar or some Shelby Mustangs were the fastest cars previously and just started knocking in the 9's the last few years. Those new Mustangs are so underrated and fast they will need to add a class or two as thei HP factor gets corrected. Or move them into SuperStock. The only supercharged stockers in the past were limited to some Fords in the '50's and they were 312's. Fast for back then but nothing like todays stuff.

I have heard of Imokalee.....That must be in real alligator country! My sister once lived in Homestead. They moved to northern Florida many years ago . They have lived in various towns around Daytona Beach for many years. I used to stop at the Speedway and also Daytona USA and sat and watched them during testing a few times in January. No matter where they have been those hurricanes down there seem to follow them. Luckily they have never had any severe damage but the storms would drive me away for sure.......My mother also lived there untill she passed away last year....she was 96 years old and lived there since 1985....It snowed 3-4" this morning here......


Thanks Terry for the avatar.....I did like that car and it is owned by a friend so I see it regularly and might get to drive it again this year once or twice.......

Peter Griffin
12-09-2009, 04:53 PM
In defense of American cars. I had a 1985 Ford E150 cargo van that I put over 350,000 miles on and never did squat to it cept for tires and brake pads.

I am currently driving a 97 Ford F150 with 245,000 miles on it and I have only changed the oil 3 yes 3 times since it was brand new. Again, tires, brake pads and last week the alternator finally went

That said, I collect MG's I have 4 running MGB's a half dozen for parts, two MGA's and a Triumph TR3. I work on all of them constantly, they all leak oil, they are all electrical nightmares but for some warped reason I am addicted to the damn things.

Ian Gills
12-09-2009, 05:17 PM
Possibly because they can go round a corner Peter.

FloridaOrange
12-09-2009, 05:21 PM
They have a 4 valve 5.3 or 5.4litre supercharged engine....

The '04 Mach1 I had was a 4.6L 4valve. Aluminum block with a functioning shaker hood. It was about 90lbs lighter on the front end vs. the iron block motors. I miss that car terribly...

By the way, as an engine builder, you might like this vid. Ignore the comments below the video, most are ignorant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw9ffyssPV8

hj
12-09-2009, 05:27 PM
You asked if one spark plug on a V8 would be noticeable. How about FOUR spark plugs not working? The Chrysler Hemi, for example cuts off four cylinders when they are not needed, and the driver does not know the difference. Of the dozens of cars I have had since my '54 Lincoln convertible, only about 4 of them have been imports. One British TR-3, two Toyota Cressidas, and one Toyota Supra. IF the car could not do 115 on the highway, I did not need it. Although I did dump my '60 Lincoln because it only wanted to go straight on twisting roads or sharp curves. That is when I bought the TR-3.

Ian Gills
12-09-2009, 05:29 PM
I'd love a Totoya Supra.

Rich B
12-09-2009, 06:44 PM
In defense of American cars. I had a 1985 Ford E150 cargo van that I put over 350,000 miles on and never did squat to it cept for tires and brake pads.

I am currently driving a 97 Ford F150 with 245,000 miles on it and I have only changed the oil 3 yes 3 times since it was brand new. Again, tires, brake pads and last week the alternator finally went

That said, I collect MG's I have 4 running MGB's a half dozen for parts, two MGA's and a Triumph TR3. I work on all of them constantly, they all leak oil, they are all electrical nightmares but for some warped reason I am addicted to the damn things.

Really!.......Well I service a fleet of work vans and we usually sell them at about 130-150,000 miles. We do regular oil changes, brakes and tires as needed and they usually have a few other things fail along the way...not much but something......Older vans often had fuel pumps or even a trans failure so you must be one really lucky guy to neglect the heck out of your vehicles and they keep on going anyway......

I have been doing all our vehicles for 17 years and we have had trucks from all 3 American builders.....and numerous cars from various manufacturers.....

Peter Griffin
12-10-2009, 02:45 AM
Regular maintenance will kill them every time :D

FloridaOrange
12-10-2009, 04:39 AM
Regular maintenance will kill them every time :D

That's what the guy who I bought my '96 must've though. I had the heads pulled and there was soooooo much sludge in the upper part of the motor I went ahead and replaced the whole thing (entire new motor top to bottom) with the exception of the accessory drive items.

hj
12-10-2009, 06:01 AM
I bought the Supra for my daughter. She drove it to California, and when she came back she asked me, "Why can't the car go faster than 85, no matter how hard I press on the gas?" I told her it was because Toyota stops the digital speedometer at 85, but she was probably going about 125.

Rich B
12-10-2009, 10:15 AM
Regular maintenance will kill them every time :D


We have a Tech here at work that has this attitude?? Most of our field workers drive their vans from home in exchange for being available occasionally for a call. This worker is a little "odd" and he ignored getting his van in for just a simple oil/filter change untill it had close to 30,000 miles on it. His oil was so bad I haven't seen anything like that since the '60s. BLACK-THICK-MUD. Oil today is much better than the old days. Sludge and muck inside an engine was way more common. I can recall removing a valve cover and the sludge was so deep it nearly covered the rocker arms and shafts on a nice Y-Block Ford or Slant six Mopar.......

Do your engine a favor...change your oil and filter regularly. I have a friend who has put 250,000 miles on 2 different GM trucks but there's no way he did that without regular service and some repairs.....

Ian Gills
12-10-2009, 02:21 PM
I do all my own maintenance but there is some truth to the accusation made by Peter.

When I bought the car I replaced the stock spark plug wires (working perfectly well but 7 years old) with new ones. Four years later, one of these gave up the ghost on a shopping trip without any warning.

I had to drive home on three cylinders.

Guess what kept the thing going for a week before my new parts were posted to me? You guessed it....the now 11 year old original wires that I had kept in an old box, still working just fine!

FloridaOrange
12-10-2009, 03:49 PM
Guess what kept the thing going for a week before my new parts were posted to me? You guessed it....the now 11 year old original wires that I had kept in an old box, still working just fine!

Using old wires does not cause sludge build up.

This is what a BMW looked like after not changing the oil for 60K.
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1261/dsc00860rvk.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/dsc00860rvk.jpg/)

Ian Gills
12-10-2009, 04:12 PM
I change my oil every 3000 miles and use fully synthetic so I am not worried about that. I use a Fumoto oil valve which is like to oil changes what ball valves are to plumbing.

You really have to neglect an oil change to get things that bad.

Like using BMW's recommended service intervals of 12,000 miles for instance.

No wonder they offer servicing for free. They hardly ever do it!

If I had to choose a car to cross a desert:

- would it be an American car? hell no

- would it be a VW? Absolutely not

- would it be a BMW? No thank you.

- would it be a Honda or a Toyota? Yes please.

Terry
12-10-2009, 06:01 PM
Car I learned to drive in
MG 1100, sort of like a Mini Cooper
First car with my own money, 1959 Pontiac for $200
Heavy and large.
1963 Pontiac Grand Prix, I loved how it looked, but I was selling real estate, and only got 10 mpg
1971 Fiat 124 sedan, Drove if fast, tires squealing on every bend. It would get 30 mpg on the highway. Pretty good for those days. And it was four door. Bought this one new for $2100
MGB Roadster, Rebuilt the engine on this, and then found it drove like a truck.
Datsun 411 wagon, Not fun
Renault R-8 this was fun. A poor mans BMW
Renault R-10
Renault R-16, Put a Pinto Weber carb on it, and it would lay 10 feet of rubber. Pretty good for front wheel drive. Smoothest riding car I ever drove. It was all torsion bar suspension.
http://www.terrylove.com/images/fiat_600.jpg
Fiat 600 sedan

Fiat 600 sedan, Top speed must have been 65
The one I had, the doors opened the opposite way, suicide doors. I also rebuilt the transmisson.
Fiat 800 Coupe
Fiat 800 Sypder, fun to drive, but not fast. Churning through the gears would only keep up with cars that had no idea I was racing them. It was that slow.

http://www.terrylove.com/images/fiat_124_spyder.jpg
Fiat 124 Spyder

Fiat 124 Spyder, The interchange from Microsoft to I-405 South, I would enter the cloverleaf at fifty and exit at 80 mph.
I would watch my mirror to see if I could get the guy following to spin out.
By the time I merged onto I-405 they were a 1/4 mile behind me.
Fiat 131, A middle income BMW
Fiat Brava, this was fast, I could drift corners at 90 fully loaded with kids and camping gear on mountain roads.
Chevrolet Impala Wagon, Black, red pin strips with wire wheel covers.
I put new speakers and deck in, it had killer sound.
Ford Taurus, corners very well, after a while too many things were breaking.
Chev pickup, Camper special with pipe rack and tool box
Ford Taurus 1998,
Mitsubishi 2003 Outlander XL all wheel drive, Very good on snow and corners well.
Toyota 2008 Highlander Limited, four wheel drive, Big, smooth, maybe too fast.

http://www.terrylove.com/images/highlander_1.jpg

Ian Gills
12-10-2009, 06:44 PM
God, that's a lot of Fiats (Italian) and Renaults (French) to go through before you reach the reliability of a Toyota. My first Renault was my last!

The Italians build beautiful cars that break down.

The French build cars with the best ride, that also break down.

America builds cars...that just break down!

Scuba_Dave
12-10-2009, 08:05 PM
Drove a friends twin turbo Maserati convertible while mine was in the shop
Nice fast car but it had NO heat

Scuba_Dave
12-17-2009, 08:08 PM
Ian, you didn't by chance back into a water pipe down in Baltimore today did you ?

Redwood
12-20-2009, 02:00 PM
I always liked the reliability that Lucas provided for the british cars and bikes I've owned...

Here's a great link dedicated to Lucas The Prince of Darkness...
http://www.mez.co.uk/lucas.html

http://www.mez.co.uk/smoke2.jpg

Damn Terry, Ian is right thats a lot of Fix It Again Tony's to go through...

Cass
12-23-2009, 04:38 AM
Ian...can you install a Cadet in one of those cars and make them more reliable...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2242/1498730797_8f071fe0ef.jpg

How about one like this for people on the go....

http://fun-pics.com/toilet,scooter,pink.jpg (http://fun-pics.com/toilet,scooter,pink.html)

Ian Gills
12-23-2009, 11:40 AM
I think so. An American Standards Cadet 3 is certainly more reliable than an American car.

Terry
12-23-2009, 05:35 PM
I think so. An American Standards Cadet 3 is certainly more reliable than an American car.


Mexico, are their cars good too?
I don't care much for the plumbing in Mexico.
But they make good cars?

I love Italian cars.
They don't bring Fiat in anymore though, except maybe Chrysler is thinking of bringing in the Fiat 500

Ian Gills
12-24-2009, 07:07 AM
Nah, my AS Cadet 3 was hand-made by craftsman in Brazil using only the finest materials.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/materialicious/images/master-potter-otto-heino-1915-2009-m.jpg

Right next to the factory where they make Fords....

http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/11/fordbrazil.jpg

The Cadet 3 is a quality toilet for the discerning young professional residing on the East Coast.

Redwood
12-24-2009, 11:57 AM
I like that Brazilian Ford that comes with a bike to get you home when it is in for it's Fix Or Repair Daily... :D

Ian Gills
12-24-2009, 02:01 PM
http://www.terrylove.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9307&stc=1&d=1261618853

I can see 6 foot Terry in one of these with a Toto in the back.

Terry
12-24-2009, 02:14 PM
I can see 6 foot Terry in one of these with a Toto in the back.

Weaving between cars on a mountain road,

My Mitsu Outlander can hold two Toto Ultramax toilets in back, the Highlander can take three.
This 500 looks like it would fit one.