Toilet whith two drains...

[Paulinien]

Hello everybody!

Is there anyone who have a idea what kind of toilet it is and how to install it?
I bought it from a particular, brand new never installed and later before I decide to intall it I was in shock seeing two drains. I went to different stores and no one is able to help me or to tell what it is.
Now I can't return it. That's my problem.
This toilet as two drains. Why's that? What's the purpose of having two drains? One of the drains is patch whith a thin film of plastic.
I'm thinking of when i'll have this toilet stock what I'm i gona do Unclogging a Toilet Using a Closet Auger it will for shure destroy the drain's patch whith a small film of plastic.
Is there anyone out there who can help me to resolve my problems?
Any suggestions?

Thanks for your answers,

Paulinien

[hj]

I don't know why it was made that way, but I do know you are going to have a devil of a time securing it to the floor, because the bolt holes are not on either side of EITHER opening, so you will not be able to fasten it to a conventional flange. AND once the toilet is in position, HOW will you get inside it to tighten whatever means you do use to secure it. I think you have the makings of a very unique flower pot, because that is the only thing I would use it for.

[Paulinien]

Need help to know why this toilet has been made like this.
Thanks for the answer HJ !
But for shure there is a reason for that toilet to exist.
I don't know how I'm going to install that thing!
Is there any expert or anybody that have been seing that kind of toilet
anywhere and is it possible to know more about it?
I dont want to loose my money but it seems that I have bought something very particular.
I'm waiting for all your answers,
Thanks
Paulinien

[jimbo]

Are both of those holes actually through to the water trapway? Or is one of them plugged, meaning it is a manufacturing process port?

What brand? Obviously designed to be used with some kind of special adapter, or it is a toilet for the space shuttle, or it is Russian???

[Paulinien]

Both holes are communicant.
The brand Unknown!
No Brand on the toilet.
For shure it's from China.
It come's with dual flush 3and 6 litres.

Thanks for answers,
Paulinien

[Cass]

Personaly I would deep six the toilet and stop wasting time trying to make something work that looks like it will only give you continuous trouble...

[Paulinien]

Thanks for yor answer Cass!

The thing is that if you have never seen somthing like this then I suppose you dont have the right answer for me.

Now, what I'm looking for is that anybody have ever seen something like this and know how to install it?

Thanks for answers,

Paulinien

[Cass]

Does it have a seat??? I doubt you will find one if it doesn't...

[Gary Swart]

There's no doubt you have an oddity and it would be interesting to know just how it was meant to be installed. But, realize that you have had three professional plumbers respond to the question and none of them have ever seen such a toilet much less have an answer to your question. There is no way under the sun that I would attempt to install this beast. It would have to be some homemade concoction that would almost certainly be unreliable and flood your home with sewage. I realize you have this thing and it is paid for, but the plain truth is, it's is a useless piece of junk.:eek:

[Terry]

It's missing a flange adapter.

Measure the back of the tank, to the center of the rear drain.

If it's more then 12", then you will need to move the plumbing in your home.

Standard plumbing is the US is 12" from the back wall to the center of the drain.

Like hj mentioned, there is no logical way to secure this to the floor.
There is no flange adapter
The outlet is too far forward for standard USA drains.

This may work in other countries, you may need to find out how their homes are plumbed.
It doesn't look like anything that we have seen.

[Cass]

What is the ID of the discharge...

[Cass]

If the toilets tank is against a wall the bottom has a curve that looks like there might be enough room to fit a lag bolt and washer and tighten it with a ratchet...maybe but I doubt the discharge will line up with any flange...

[hj]

What makes you think ANYONE has experience with that toilet? There is NOTHING standard about it, so NONE of our suppliers would even look at it. In addition, the one open hole looks so small that I would be concerned with it stopping up every few days. Although that second opening might work as an overflow it it did. Someone did the Tom Sawyer thing on you. THey bought a "white elephant" but convinced you that it was something you really needed and unloaded it on you. He probably went out and celebrated that evening.

[FloridaOrange]

I had some time to kill.
Apparently that is or looks like a Chinese made toilet, maybe made by a company named Kele, maybe model # KF03.
It uses a P-trap (180mm) and an S-trap (300mm). I've got no idea how that would be installed but if it does use an S-trap than it can't be used in the US and possible in Canada either.

[Ian Gills]

There's nothing American or Standard about that little fella.

[FloridaOrange]

Wow!
No trap in the porcelain.
Without the trap, it would be one smelly bathroom.

Definitely a wierd piece. It does look like it has an integral trap in it though, judging by the pictures.

3 trap fixture??

[Cass]

It does look like the trap is internal from the pics...

[Paulinien]

Hello there...

Thank you everybody for all your advices.

I feel like that i've had being a junior in this game.

I will have to destroy the thing or pass it on to another junior like me.

I perefer the first idea. I don't like to full people like it append to me.

But... I would realy like to know who and why that toilet was made for.

Thanks for answers.

Paul

[FloridaOrange]

But... I would realy like to know who and why that toilet was made for.

Thanks for answers.

Paul

We've had some members from SE Asia describing and posting some truley weird setups, I would guess it's for their market. I doubt that type of fixture would be installed in this hemisphere or the European market.

[Gary Swart]

It is indeed amazing what some third world countries come up with. There have been comments on the forum from people living in some of these countries who are trying to plumb drains correctly but can't find the parts necessary and are looked at by locals are being somewhat nuts. One of the first (if not the first) country to have a sewage system was Italy. Yet I stayed in a hotel near Venice where the toilet had no trap, just a flap in the drain that opened the toilet flushed. Others have had horror stories that are much worse than mine.:eek: It would be interesting if the exact origin and method of connection could be determine, but only to satisfy curiosity.

[krow]

That toilet is missing an adaptor and it uses a very sticky type of gasket (which seems as if it wasn't supplied to you.) the adapter is bolted to a regular flange and the openings will fit into this fitting. The entire porcelain is bolted/secured directly to the finished floor/tile floor from the back of the toilet using a ratchet type tool and lag bolts.

I installed one a few years ago, and as I understood it, it was made from an outfit in Quebec and then later sourced out to China (for the cheap labour)

I have to tell you that I would hate to be the guy servicing that toilet for a repair. No standard parts would fit in the toilet that I installed.

[Paulinien]

Hi Krow and thanks for the answer,

Is it possible to tell me if you rememer who was that toilet maker from Quebec?
Maybe i would have a chance to know why they maked it like this way and also the purpose of it!
I know that's been a few years ago but maybe you have papers left from that disturbing story!
A name ... is what I need to go further on (probably)!
It seem's that you're the only one who saw that thing ever on this forum.

I'm waiting for your answer,

Thank you in advance,

Paulinien

[krow]

I'm not sure what part of Canada your in, but try the designer type plumbing fixture stores. WE have one "mom and pop shop" here in my town that might be able to track it down with a picture or any type of stamp name or number on the unit.
I don't recall the name of the toilet or the manufacturer name. I just wanted to get as far away from that beast as possible

[krow]

The more I look at that toilet, the more the front hole doesn't look like a hole. Are you sure the hole closer to the front of the bowl is actually a hole? or is it blanked off?

If its blanked-off then it serves as a supporting leg for the entire bowl

[Inspektor Ludwig]

I've seen some strange things in my day but this one's new to me. I'm always dealing with homeowners who purchase off the internet then try to get the plumber to install it not knowing that it may not work here. There's some interesting technology out there that's for sure. A good standard that I go by is that it needs to be UPC or IAPMO approved or have some listing by or for the U.S. Then you know for sure that the fixture will work with U.S. plumbing installations. I'm sorry I couldn't help you with this one.

[Paulinien]

Thanks’ everybody for your advices!

By the way Krow, being the only one on this forum to have seen something like this beast you are probably one of the most experience in this forum or a lucky or unlucky guy!

I did put some other pictures to show more precisely what it's all about.
I decided for the purpose to break the small film of plastic of the upper hole.
Nothing to loose and that will indicate you more or less what it's all about.
Again the two holes are communicating and are the same size 2 inches.

What city are you in that I can call your contact (mom and pop shop).

I'm located in Montreal Quebec Canada.

Do you think that I should resale-it?
At what price... if it's the case?
It was supposed to be paid $400.00 and it's a 3 and 6 litres flushing.

I wouldn't like to be the one to buy for sure... to complicate!

Maybe I will destroy this thing... Don't know yet.
Or maybe somebody on this forum is ready to buy this challenging thing?
Or maybe I will sell it to a Museum!!!

But after all for sure there is a use for that complicated thing.

Thank for all your comments,

Paulinien

[krow]

I'm in Ontario. If you are still interested to call this mom and pop shop I will pm you the info to contact them

[Terry]

So one outlet is 1-3/8" and the other is smaller.
Wow!

Tight squeeze

[Inspektor Ludwig]

There must be less poo in certain parts of the world!:D