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Marty53
10-21-2009, 12:23 PM
Permaflow Drain:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0021L9BXS/

I don't work for this company or anything, I just saw it and it seems to have some use. Not sure if it actually functions as a trap or not

Redwood
10-21-2009, 01:02 PM
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2/Redwood39/laugh-1.gif

I think you already knew the answer...

CountryBumkin
10-21-2009, 02:14 PM
I'm pretty sure code prohibits "moving parts" inside the trap.

Ian Gills
10-21-2009, 02:24 PM
I like the way it will move the blockage to a less accessible part of the pipe.

Defeats one of the objectives of a trap: to catch blockages so they are more easily removed.

How many wedding rings will be irretrievably lost with those things?

Peter Griffin
10-21-2009, 02:30 PM
I was going to come down on this like a ton of bricks but then I remembered that waterless urinals are allowed and they use a bell trap which is also prohibited so in the end it is just another product that will be shoved upon the public because it is easier, faster, and more convieniant. :mad: It's times like this when I truely miss NHMaster's comments

Lakee911
10-21-2009, 08:04 PM
I was going to come down on this like a ton of bricks but then I remembered that waterless urinals are allowed and they use a bell trap which is also prohibited so in the end it is just another product that will be shoved upon the public because it is easier, faster, and more convieniant. :mad: It's times like this when I truely miss NHMaster's comments

Name sounds familior....Where is NHMaster?


I'm not endorsing this POS, but where does the code prohibit the moving parts?

Oh, hey if you read the description, you can get your coffee stirrers back! Mmm... hairy greasy soapy coffee ... Mmmm....

Hook a motor to it and turn it into a chopper pump? ;)

Oh it says that traditional p-trap design is "made from Polypropylene/PVC or brass/chrome that rusts and corrodes." I hate it when I encounter rusty PVC...

Cass
10-22-2009, 04:19 AM
The owner will sell enough of these to retire and there will be enough in the field for us plumbers to replace and make $$$ doing it so I am all for it...:D

FloridaOrange
10-22-2009, 05:36 AM
I'm pretty sure code prohibits "moving parts" inside the trap.

Code prohibits traps with moving parts to maintain a seal.

Marty53
10-22-2009, 06:05 AM
yea it doesn't seem like it would stand the test of time with all those parts. Thats where I see it failing. I do think the clear plastic has some advantages, if its in an enclosed location where you only would have to look at it if theres a clog.

So are you saying because the moving parts aren't making the seal it is allowable by code?

hj
10-22-2009, 06:17 AM
Next week it will be on TV for $19.95, and if you order within 10 minutes you will get TWO of them, just pay the separate $20.00 S&H. There cannot be any internal restricions, (the codes say they shall be self cleaning which means the obstruction is not supposed to happen in the trap in the first place), and that wheel is definitely a restriction. PLUS since it is NOT a pump, all it can do is "flip" and obstruction up into the wall bent. That's assuming the stoppage is NOT hair and soap which has accumulated on the paddle wheel.

CountryBumkin
10-22-2009, 09:22 AM
I guess you're right to question my reply about code not allowing "traps with moving parts"
I was thinking of line 1 when I replied (and forgot about the last half of the sentance):

(From Florida Building Code) 1002.3 Prohibited traps. The following types of traps are prohibited:

1. Traps that depend on moving parts to maintain the seal.
2. Bell traps.
3. Crown-vented traps.
4. Traps not integral with a fixture and that depend on interior partitions for the seal, except those traps constructed of an approved material that is resistant to corrosion and degradation.
5. "S" traps.
6. Drum traps.

hj
10-22-2009, 01:42 PM
Maybe the inventor could change that "flapper" to a multivaned rotor, and hook a generator to the shaft. Then they could generate electricity while the water is draining.

Doherty Plumbing
10-22-2009, 06:15 PM
That thing will make your traps plug up more then a standard p-trap will on it's own.

I have been doing service pluming for many years now and I have to say it's a bit of a myth that your "trap" is most likely to plug up your sink. It does happen but I find that in bathroom sinks it's the mechanical waste that catches hair and stuff. In kitchen sinks I find it's usually down stream a bit from the trap. This is because all the heavy solids tend to get left behind in old dirty systems.

I wouldn't sell someone one of these traps if the company gave me 1000 of them for free. How could you ask an elderly person to go around and clean out their traps from time to time. "All you have to do sir is go around to all 8 sinks in your house here and rotate this little wheel for a bit running some hot water. Oh and because this is such a crappy design/idea for a trap you'll have to do it fairly often on your most used sinks!"

:D:D

Scuba_Dave
10-23-2009, 06:21 AM
I like the way it will move the blockage to a less accessible part of the pipe.

Defeats one of the objectives of a trap: to catch blockages so they are more easily removed.

How many wedding rings will be irretrievably lost with those things?

Didn't you watch the video?
It has a neat little retrieval part in it where they very easuly retrieve a ring ;)

I do like the clear pipe

FloridaOrange
10-23-2009, 06:23 AM
You can get clear traps Dave. Hair traps.

http://www.ccibeauty.com/salonrus/images/items/Hair%20Trap%20Small.jpg

Lakee911
11-03-2009, 04:39 PM
Name sounds familior....Where is NHMaster?



anyone know?

FloridaOrange
11-03-2009, 04:49 PM
Unfortunately, not around.

Scuba_Dave
11-03-2009, 06:33 PM
Him & Gary are on another self help forum I visit
Picking up right where they left off

HoracioO
11-03-2009, 10:33 PM
Next they'll add LED lights then claim it saves energy.

Frankly I prefer my drains shaken not stirred Miss Moneypenny!

Cookie
11-03-2009, 11:13 PM
Him & Gary are on another self help forum I visit
Picking up right where they left off


Well, better there than on a DIY forum such as this.

hj
11-04-2009, 04:50 AM
What is the difference between "self help" and "DIY"?

Cookie
11-04-2009, 05:06 AM
I was referring to the quality of this DIY forum.

Cookie
11-04-2009, 05:17 AM
HJ, did you seriously, not get that? Were you asking me HJ or Dave? Or are you just grumpy this morning?

Gary Slusser
11-04-2009, 12:08 PM
Well, better there than on a DIY forum such as this.
Oh but it IS just like this one.

So are the 2-3 others he followed me to. One has deleted some of his posts after a warning. Just like here.

Cookie
11-04-2009, 12:22 PM
Well, Gary, I tried to stop the meaness and fighting here and for that I got whacked, :) Some person even said I was deleting their posts or adding to them, and I wasn't, or I was a stick in the mud because I was taking away their fun; I had nothing to do with their complaints, I was just there, wrong place, wrong time. This is a nice forum that Terry made I would hate to see it go to the dogs. But, it isn't mine and people can do or say what they want, as long as it doesn't affect me.

Peter Griffin
11-04-2009, 02:40 PM
Gary, you are sounding a bit paranioid there buddy :D

Cookie, you are such a nice person. Why would anyone want to argue with you>

Cookie
11-04-2009, 06:44 PM
thank you, Peter :)

Gary Slusser
11-04-2009, 08:39 PM
Gary, you are sounding a bit paranioid there buddy :D
Really? Every word is true, he's like a little lap dog nippin' at my heel. I think it's hilarious. He's teamed up with Previous Members ShezaKG1 etc. etc. etc. and Allen something. I believe you know her, she's a driller, and on your Friends list. Now buddy THAT'S funny! LOL

Peter Griffin
11-05-2009, 02:49 AM
That's hilarious. You have your own little band of internet stalkers. You may need to hire a body guard :D

So Allen is a girl? How do you keep up with this stuff? speaking of which, where did HE/she go?

Cookie
11-05-2009, 04:52 AM
Is this let the fights begin.

Gary Slusser
11-05-2009, 10:35 AM
That's hilarious. You have your own little band of internet stalkers. You may need to hire a body guard :D

So Allen is a girl? How do you keep up with this stuff? speaking of which, where did HE/she go?
Yes it appears that I do have stalkers, maybe I can sell'em something!

A body guard.... are you saying you know he carries? He said he was from ME but he's actually from NH. Yep, a girl; you have to be more aware of your surroundings Pete. Andy, her and him have been very quiet the last 1-2 days. Maybe it was something I said to mods in my travels. One mod commented in a thread, kinda hinting to nh (like someone here does) and my good buddy nh hasn't said a word there since. That's 2 forums done now, there's only one more and I think my attractiveness will fade quickly.

Now the driller girl... she's as thick as her personal max 480' well is deep and will require more percussion before she goes with the attitude adjustment. But you should have no doubts that we'll git'er done. psssst watch H20.

BTW, I like the self cleaning clear PVC trap.

Peter Griffin
11-05-2009, 01:11 PM
I'd rather have groupees but at my age and weight and considering that most of my hair has decided to take up residence on other parts of my body, unless they are blind I don't see that happening.