New resin for model 60

[ChuckB]

What is the best way to measure the .7 CF of resin needed in each tank?
I know I can weigh it, divide by 10 and then multiply by 7, but is there an easier way? Thanks

Chuck

[Gary Slusser]

I would save time and a step by weighing the 1 cuft and multiplying that by .7.

The only lubricant required on most o-rings used on control valves etc. today is water.

[TedL]

It would be 21 quarts or 5.25 gallons.

[ChuckB]

worked out pretty good.. I cut the bottom off a clean, one gallon oil container that had a big neck and used a scoop. Cleaned the tanks as recommended by Andy also. Thanks for the replies. Chuck

[Gary Slusser]

Anyone buys resin from me I include a proper new funnel.

[Gary Slusser]

Silicone o-rings only need water as a lubricant.

[Gary Slusser]

Using that search criteria only brings up your post here, nothing else...

Try this, "silicone o-rings" + lubricant and see where you aren't supposed to use silicone lube on silicone o-rings etc.. Especially with static joints.

I'll make it easy for you;

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGGL,GGGL:2006-22,GGGL:en&ei=tASUSuv8HIyllAeH8My2DA&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=%22silicone+o-rings%22+%2B+lubricant&spell=1

[ChuckB]

Gary, Mute or Moot point. My Kinetico O-Rings are not silicone. They are Styrene-Butadiene Rubber (SBR) O-Rings and I have always used silicone grease with no problems. Thanks.

Chuck

[Gary Slusser]

The only lubricant required on most o-rings used on control valves etc. today is water.

[Gary Slusser]

If you want to tell people with silicone o-rings to lube them, and to use silicone to do it, go for it. It is not necessary, water works very well.

[Bob999]

Andy and Gary: I want to see if I understand the issue about lubricating o rings on softeners.

Gary said silicone lubricant isn't required with a silicone o ring. Andy said it is ok to use silicone lubricant on o rings. I don't see a direct conflict between those statements--rather a different emphasis.

I know that Gary is a proponent of Clack valves so I looked at the documentation for Clack WS=1 valves to see what is said about o ring lubricants. I found the following statement in more than one place: "Do not use Vaseline, oils, or other unacceptable lubricants on o-rings. A silicone lubricant may be used on black o-rings." I found no reference to using water as a lubricant in the Clack manuals I reviewed.

So my take is that it is ok to use silicone lubricant but sometimes it may not be required. I guess the practical question that remains for me is how do I know if the o ring is a silicone o ring that doesn't require silicone lub?

[ChuckB]

The only lubricant required on most o-rings used on control valves etc. today is water.


Gary, a more approprate statement from you would have been something like:

"Some people use silicone on their orings, which is fine, but I have always used water and it works for me."

and again my o-rings aren't made of silicone!

Until they rewrite my Kinetico manual I will continue to use silicone as it recommends. It makes assembly much easier. Thanks Chuck

[TedL]

Tip: For those of you wishing to use silicone lube/sealer for any purpose, Lowes sells a reasonably sized, reasonably priced ($4+/-) container. Say, for the o-rings on a kitchen faucet spout.

[Gary Slusser]

Silicone o-rings do not need lubrication but if you want to lubricate, water works very well.

Clack also says to not lubricate the seals. They are silicone.
.

[Bob999]

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/newater/WS1INS.pdf

I did find these fairly clear and specific instructions on Clack valves. I guess I was going on this.


Andy, The link you provide is to a document prepared by the online seller of softeners--It is not, as best I can tell, a Clack document.

The quote I provided in my post above was taken from a document on the Clack website--specifically this document at page 35:

http://www.clackcorp.com/valve/Manuals/V3115-99_WS1_1.25_Drawings_and_Service_Manual.pdf

[Gary Slusser]

I read every word in that competitor's installation guide that Andy posted.

There are many errors and omissions in it. Some errors are really bad!

I could copy/paste them but since they are a competitor, I won't. I'll just feel bad for their Clack WS-1 customers.

They have revised a guide used for Fleck to fit the Clack WS-1. The fit isn't very good.

I don't know fer sure but, IIRC, silicone and sch 80 pvc may not mix well, yet they are telling their customer to use silicone with sch 80 PVC. I do know there is no need for lubricant on the o-rings on the plumbing connectors.

Anyway, silicone o-rings do not need any lubricant but water works very well.

[ChuckB]

Anyway, silicone o-rings do not need any lubricant but water works very well.

Kinetico does not use silicone o-rings.

You are the one to bring up silicone o-rings in this post..

Re read everything again..

[Gary Slusser]

I didn't say they did.

What's with the attitude?

Have you noticed that your other thread about Kinetico has been deleted? I suggest you lose the attitude or this one will probably be deleted too.

[master plumber mark]

Just ran into a customer that paid 2000 for the Kinnectco
unit, I not say a word... I know that some day he will regret it.
.

the only reasons he went with
that unit over the 999 clack was that it did not use electricity...

the rest was all smoke and mirrors...



I am sorry for being so insensitive,
,,

[ChuckB]

I didn't say they did.

What's with the attitude?

Have you noticed that your other thread about Kinetico has been deleted? I suggest you lose the attitude or this one will probably be deleted too.

Your posts were also deleted. You should also lose your attitude.

All I was doing was defending your misinformation. This forum should used to help others, not to sell your products.

[Gary Slusser]

Your posts were also deleted. You should also lose your attitude.
Well yeah, that's what happens when a thread is deleted, all posts in it are deleted.


All I was doing was defending your misinformation.
But you didn't correct my misinformation. And like here in this thread, you are attempting to correct something I didn't say. I have not said that Kinetico had silicone o-rings. I simply stated a fact that silicon o-rings do not need lubrication. I see that as helpful advice.


This forum should used to help others, not to sell your products.
So my suspicions were correct that you are here to support the same claims that Andy, shezakg1, pandella, sammy, uncle nick and others have made, and to instigate disruption.

AND that you have been communicating with them or at least Andy since he and I are the only ones here since all the others have been banned.

Anyway, is this Kinetico you're working on now the same one you recently rebuilt with used parts or a used valve after thinking it was working for 7 months until you finally figured out it wasn't and it's still not working now so you're replacing the resin?

BTW, I haven't tried to sell you anything or suggested you buy anything form me or anyone else.

[nhmaster]

Anyone buys resin from me I include a proper new funnel.

As you know I suggest a Clack WS-1 valve. IMO to is a much better choice than a 5600 which is a 3/4" valve.

There is no hardness on the water report. So use the 17 gpg. The test he used is a good test.

You would have to call me so I could ask you a few questions before I could correctly size a softener for you but a 1.0 cuft (32k) may be too small.

It is what it is and you can't get parts anywhere but Culligan, so your choices are to have them come out to fix it, bypass it and use raw water or, buy a new softener.

And for drinking water, buy an under the counter two stage filter that has its own long reach swivel faucet as an RO has. I have one with two spare cartridges (one sediment and one carbon block), for under $150 delivered by UPS

If you are serious about finding a new supplier, you should talk to me.

Really now, not trying to sell... hmmmmmmm