Swine Flue

[Cass]

They are all leaving Mexico and heading north...this traveling group just went by my house....


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2187/2195158028_6d5f19c242.jpg?v=0

[Cookie]

We don't want em, put em on a rocket and send them to space! Let the aliens deal with em.

http://static.flickr.com/3075/2554685870_0a5761e4ba.jpg (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTb_hfs_VJExkBDL6jzbkF/SIG=1266ekhgj/EXP=1240925407/**http%3A//www.flickr.com/photos/robford37/2554685870/)

[Redwood]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2/Redwood39/2139604121_b99c9db883.jpg

[Scuba_Dave]

Just don't go to the market
Everyone knows this little piggy went to the market

[Ian Gills]

Redwood illustrates very clearly that swine can enter your flue.


http://www.batterseapowerstation.org.uk/floyd/animals2.jpg


I always use a chimney cap to prevent this from happening.

http://www.grandpas-wisdom.com/images/insulated-flue.jpg

[Cookie]

Too funny.

[Redwood]

Think of it as you do birth control, lol.

Now there is something I haven't thought of in about 15 years...:eek:

[Thatguy]

I decided to buy some surgical masks just incase.
I think they are not bothered by masks.
http://www.emergencyfiltration.com/test.html

[Cookie]

I think they are not bothered by masks.
http://www.emergencyfiltration.com/test.html


Hey That Guy,

I like your lightning.

What do you propose the govn should use? I saw a picture on yahoo where they are looking like bee keepers. Here I will see if I can find it.

I found it,

Yikes...

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090427/capt.bb79eda671a84416b15785fb902009af.aptopix_swin e_flu_cabm108.jpg?x=213&y=151&xc=1&yc=1&wc=409&hc=290&q=85&sig=l.uvJRnX79DMMVYb7qRoDw--

[Thatguy]

I don't know how that lightning got there.

What do you propose the govn should use?
A course on actual vs. perceived risk.
". . .that people will accept risks 1,000 greater if they are voluntary (e.g. driving a car) than if they are involuntary (e.g. a nuclear disaster)."
So far, the likelihood of you or I getting this is about equal to being hit by lightning (not that shown, of course).

BTW, I used to have hair like in the photo, but not quite that long.

Regarding Mr. Hodgkins, I've heard that you are supposed to hate and confront him, every single day. You're probably already doing that.

[Cookie]

What happened to your hair?

[Thatguy]

What happened to your hair?
I suspect about 30,000 of them went down drains. Maybe this is a complaint for the plumbing section.

[Ian Gills]

We're at level four guys.

Phase 1: No viruses circulating among animals causing infections in plumbers

Phase 2: Animal influenza virus causes infection in plumbers, and is considered potential pandemic threat

Phase 3: Influenza causes sporadic cases in plumbers, but no significant electrician-to-remodeler transmission

Phase 4: Verified plumber-to-electrician transmission able to cause forum-level outbreaks. Significant increase in risk of a pandemic

Phase 5: Plumber-to-remodeler transmission in at least two sections of the forum. Strong signal pandemic imminent

Phase 6: Virus spreads to another forum. Global pandemic under way

[leejosepho]

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBeKB7aKzOs

[Cookie]

Disturbing.

[Cookie]

They are all leaving Mexico and heading north...this traveling group just went by my house....


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2187/2195158028_6d5f19c242.jpg?v=0

I got my B B gun out. What a shame too, they are so cute. I'll protect you Cass.

[Thatguy]

With your particular immune system, your conditional probability
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probability
for having problems with this latest public health problem is higher than for other people.
In the link, B is the state of your immune system and A is the likelihood of having a problem with this latest set of bugs.

I guess for peace of mind you should buy the masks. . .? And the certificates on my wall have, so far, prevented walrus attacks.

[Ian Gills]

We're in Phase 5.

Still, let's not worry too much. Any well-stocked bar should be able to combat a flu. I normally start with two glasses of red and if that does not make me feel better I bring out the big guns...a single malt.

[Cookie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-OBLAhjURU&feature=related

[mcrandi]

scientist are busy finding solutions to destroy or to control it spread, this is a very serious condition which all of us have to be considered about

[Cass]

scientist are busy finding solutions to destroy or to control it spread, this is a very serious condition which all of us have to be considered about


And.................

[Cookie]

Now that it has been a while since the start of this, and Canada I heard has pigs with swine flu, what is everyone's opinion on it?

[Terry]

I've heard you don't catch it from pigs.

Eypt killed their pigs, even though there were no cases of the flu there.

And no way to catch it from a pig.

[Cookie]

I wonder though, how did the pigs catch it?
:confused: in Canada? Where's Frenchie when you need em...:p

[Dunbar Plumbing]

Moment of silence for slain pigs.

















sniff


sniff


Okay time for bacon!

[Cookie]

I dont know, I think I would eat a veggie burger. ;)

[Dunbar Plumbing]

Why.......


so you can burp, fart, be hungry like 10 minutes later? No thank you.


If it isn't covered with hair and ****'s in the open public...I don't want it.



Ever wonder why the leanest animals on the planet...are meat eaters,

the fattest/biggest ones are vegetarians?


Discuss. :p

[Cookie]

They are all leaving Mexico and heading north...this traveling group just went by my house....


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2187/2195158028_6d5f19c242.jpg?v=0


They are back! :)

[Dunbar Plumbing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opr_46iearI

[jimbo]

I've heard you don't catch it from pigs.

Eypt killed their pigs, even though there were no cases of the flu there.

And no way to catch it from a pig.


If humans get swine flu, do pigs get human flu?? And who the they catch it from??

[Cookie]

They went by my house again!

But we got good news!

y LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer Lauran Neergaard, Ap Medical Writer – Tue Sep 15, 5:17 pm ET
WASHINGTON – The Food and Drug Administration approved the new swine flu vaccine Tuesday, a long-anticipated step as the government works to start mass vaccinations next month. Limited supplies should start trickling out the first week of October — about a week earlier than expected, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told Congress. Then about 45 million doses should arrive around Oct. 15, followed by more shipments each week.

She said they'll be available at up to 90,000 sites, including schools and clinics, across the U.S. that state health departments have chosen as best at getting the shots out fast.

Eventually, "we will have enough vaccine available for everyone," Sebelius said. Everyone who wants it, that is.

The government has ordered 195 million doses but may order more if there's enough demand, she said. Typically fewer than 100 million Americans seek flu vaccine every year, and it's unclear whether swine flu — what scientists prefer to call the 2009 H1N1 strain — will prompt much more demand. A recent Associated Press-GfK poll found 57 percent of people said they were likely to get it.

This year is unusual: Many people will have to line up twice for flu vaccine, once to be inoculated against regular winter flu and a second time for an H1N1 vaccination.

The new swine flu seems no more deadly than regular winter flu, which every year kills 36,000 Americans and hospitalizes 200,000. But there's an important difference: This H1N1 strain sickens younger people more frequently than the people over 65 who are the main victims of seasonal flu.

So the government wants certain people in line first for the H1N1 vaccinations: Pregnant women; the young, from age 6 months up through age 24; and people younger than 65 who have flu-risky conditions such as asthma, diabetes or heart disease; caregivers of the at-risk, including newborns; and health workers.

The vast majority of people who get swine flu "so far are not terribly ill," Sebelius noted, saying most will recover fine at home with some rest and fluids. And they shouldn't race to doctors' offices seeking tests to find out what kind of flu they have — H1N1 or the regular strains that circulate every winter — because treatment is the same.

"The flu is the flu is the flu right now," Sebelius said.

Nor should doctors hand out prescriptions for anti-flu medicines to be used to prevent flu, she added, because "it could make them sicker in the long run."

The drugs Tamiflu and Relenza should be used for treatment only, she stressed.

Sebelius announced the FDA's approval of vaccine made by four of the expected five manufacturers: CSL Ltd. of Australia, Switzerland's Novartis Vaccines, Sanofi Pasteur of France — which produces flu shots at its Swiftwater, Pa., factory — and Maryland-based MedImmune LLC, which makes the only nasal-spray flu vaccine.

London-based GlaxoSmithKline also was expected to supply vaccine. Sebelius said only that a fifth manufacturer's vaccine was expected to be approved soon, pending some final steps.

Getting licensing from the FDA means that the vaccine is made properly and meets specific manufacturing and quality standards.

What's the right dose? Figuring that out is the job of the National Institutes of Health, which last week announced studies showing that one dose appears to protect adults — and that protection kicks in just eight to 10 days after the shot, faster than scientists had predicted.

Studies in children and pregnant women are continuing to settle on the right dose for those populations.

The H1N1 vaccine seems just as safe as the long-used regular flu vaccine, the FDA said, not a surprise as it's made the same way. Side effects include soreness or redness at the injection site, and some fever.

The government will keep a sharp eye for any very rare side effects. The last mass vaccination against a different swine flu, in 1976, was marred by reports of the paralyzing Guillain-Barre syndrome; scientists never proved whether that link was real or coincidence.

[Cookie]

Just some additional reading for those with kids might want to take a look at.

http://www.edweek.org/ew/collections/flu/index.html

[martinpaul12]

Hi Cass,

Well,Swine influenza virus (SIV) is any strain of the influenza family of viruses that is endemic in pigs.As of 2009, the known SIV strains include influenza C and the subtypes of influenza A known as H1N1, H1N2, H3N1, H3N2, and H2N3.

Swine influenza virus is common throughout pig populations worldwide. Transmission of the virus from pigs to humans is not common and does not always lead to human influenza, often resulting only in the production of antibodies in the blood. If transmission does cause human influenza, it is called zoonotic swine flu. People with regular exposure to pigs are at increased risk of swine flu infection. The meat of an infected animal poses no risk of infection when properly cooked.

During the mid-20th century, identification of influenza subtypes became possible, allowing accurate diagnosis of transmission to humans. Since then, only 50 such transmissions have been confirmed. These strains of swine flu rarely pass from human to human. Symptoms of zoonotic swine flu in humans are similar to those of influenza and of influenza-like illness in general, namely chills, fever, sore throat, muscle pains, severe headache, coughing, weakness and general discomfort.No need to send piggy to another solar system.We all have to take good preventive measures against this deadly virus.

Thanks


Thanks

[Ian Gills]

We all have to take good preventive measures against this deadly virus.


I've stopped kissing strangers on the train.

[Gary Slusser]

Lucky for us that feral pigs/hogs etc. don't spread swine flu.

They do carry other serious diseases; TB etc.. and anyone worried about flu, should look into the spread of various strains of TB.

There are millions of them in something like 30 states (including HI) and their numbers are growing abnormally fast. They reach ****** maturity at age 5-6 months and have 6-12 young on average with much larger litters fairly common, twice a year!

With few if any natural predators, other than hunters, world wide their population has exploded in the last decade or so, at a much higher rate than historically. And on average, they are getting much larger than 'normal'; 400 lbs is average now and they have been found to grow up to 1400lbs. Actually they never stop growing.

No one can come up with any type of a plan to even attempt to control their numbers or to prevent their spreading into the areas they are spreading into; currently from FL to CA to WI to VA. They are destroying the areas they live in and they eat almost anything. They are also becoming much more aggressive.

PETA and other anti hunting/hunter folks should be proud of themselves!

zoom in here http://128.192.20.53/nfsms/

http://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/animals/wildboar.shtml

[Cookie]

September 25, 2009 in Nation/World
US says first swine flu vaccine to arrive Oct. 5


In brief: Health District suspends mercury limits for H1N1 shots September 25, 2009

ATLANTA — The first swine flu vaccine should be in some doctors’ offices as early as Oct. 5, U.S. health officials said Friday.

These early batches of vaccine will protect 6 million to 7 million people. Over time, the government expects to have a total of 250 million doses of the new vaccine, although 10 percent of that has been promised to other countries.

The U.S. vaccine shipments will go directly to doctors, clinics and other providers designated by each state, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials said at a press conference. Most of the initial doses will be a nasal spray form of vaccine, but the majority of doses during flu season will be shots.

CDC officials also said swine flu is widespread in 26 states now, up from 21 a week ago.

Some possible good news — the intensity is trending down a little in the Southeast. The percentage of doctor’s office visits for flu-like illnesses fell slightly in Georgia and some other states. However, the improvement is only slight and it’s not clear if it’s the start of a national trend or not, CDC officials said.

The CDC doesn’t have an exact count of swine flu deaths and hospitalizations, but existing reports suggest the infection has caused more than 600 deaths and more than 9,000 hospitalizations.

[Cookie]

by Jean-Louis Santini Jean-louis Santini – Sat Oct 3, 10:09 pm ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) – US health authorities are hoping to contain what they say is an intensifying swine flu pandemic with a massive A(H1N1) vaccination campaign starting this week.

"We expect Friday in our weekly update of FluView that we will be reporting substantial flu illness in most of the country, significant flu activity in virtually all states," said Anne Schuchat, director of the Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control (CDC).

"Most states do have quite a lot of disease right now, and that is unusual for this time of the year," she said at a press conference on Friday evening.

Schuchat also shared her concern over the serious risks facing pregnant women infected with the virus, whose risk of dying from the A(H1N1) strain is effectively six times higher than for the general population.

Between April and August, 100 pregnant women in the United States who contracted the virus were admitted to intensive care, and 28 died, Schuchat said.

According to the most recent figures released by the CDC, 10,082 people have been hospitalized with swine flu in the United States so far, with 936 deaths from the virus, including 36 children.

An analysis of post-mortem samples from 77 people who died from the virus showed that most had contracted a secondary infection; a third had pneumonia, for which there is no vaccine.

Schuchat reiterated the importance of vaccination for pregnant women and other groups considered particularly vulnerable to the virus, including children, young adults up to 24 years old, and those suffering from certain other chronic medical problems.

US health authorities on Friday announced plans for a massive vaccination campaign intended to protect millions of Americans, with the first distribution of 600,000 vaccine doses set for Tuesday, two weeks ahead of schedule.

The United States expects to quickly dispense some six or seven million doses and hopes to administer 250 million doses by the end of the year.

Clinical trials carried out on five different vaccines showed that a single dose of 15 micrograms is sufficient to cause an efficient immune response.

"We are transitioning from the planning phase to the implementation phase," Schuchat said. "This is really just the beginning."

Health professionals have welcomed the sooner-than-expected debut of the vaccine, hoping that the immunization will be able to protect millions of people at risk because of cardiac disease, obesity or asthma.

The first vaccine doses are being made available in the form of nasal sprays that take effect in about eight days.

But despite the early arrival of the vaccine, some 15 US states, including some of the most populated such as California, could run out of hospital beds if just 35 percent of the population becomes infected with the virus, according to a CDC information model.

The figure was calculated based on the 1968 flu pandemic, which was considered fairly mild, and is based on the assumption that the infection period would last eight weeks.

A recent report by the White House's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, which modeled the outcomes of an infection rate of 30 percent, found up to 1.8 million Americans could require hospitalization and some 30,000 could die.

That figure would be lower than the average of 36,000 Americans who die annually from seasonal flu, which usually begins around October.

[Cass]

They have started looking for adverse affects from the vaccine but I haven't heard anything negative about it yet...

[Cookie]

The worst that will happen is you will start to grow those little sharp pig hairs. :)

[Cass]

Ha Ha Ha Ha...Oink Oink Oink

[Cookie]

I smell bacon. :)

[Cookie]

Too many reported cases of the swine flu. Did anyone get the vaccine yet?
Anyone with kids should maybe get it. Has anyone here or family HAVE the flu yet?

[master plumber mark]

My 11 year old just got over it, started last friday morning at school throwing up....

laid in bed friday, sat, sun, mon, tuesday,
with an average of 100 most of the week, with a spike up to 103 just once .....

Childrens tylenol for the flu really kept in in check...went the max and burnt through two bottels

Now, just to make it more fun
Mom had left town on thursday night for Vegas,
so I got the brunt of this doosey...

started to look a little ugly by sunday night, so I slept outside his room ..just in case...

finally came back to himself by wed afternoon,

went to school again today....

last thursday he weighed 105,
he now weighs 99...


I know it could have been a whole lot worse..

good times, good times.



.

[Cookie]

I am glad he is alright, kids can give you a scare, maybe you should get a flu shot, too.

[master plumber mark]

I am glad he is alright, kids can give you a scare, maybe you should get a flu shot, too.

I have been to the mountian

I have already been exposed about as much as
can be exposed to the thing...I was spraying Lysol
throughout the whole house and all over the sick rooms.. ..... 4 days striaght........

I had a slight case of blas this monday and tuesday. ....... no big deal....

plumbers have extra immunity....built in already



Pass this tip on ....
Here is a swine flu tip that I think really helped kill this germ..

I had to force the kids take a good large swig of Pepto Bismol once a day..... yuck...

or "pink medicine " as I call it.....

it kills the germ from deep within and seems to help curb the nastiness of it..

actually I think it kills everything...
good and bad...

anything is better than going to the hospital.
.

[Cookie]

Mark, be careful giving the kids the Pepto Bismol.

http://www.fisher-price.com/fp.aspx?st=665&e=expertadvice&catnamestart=c&ccat=PS_CommonConcerns&content=166644

Pepto-Bismol has the active ingredient bismuth subsalicylate, which has been found to be safe and effective for treating “nonspecific diarrhea” in adults. However, bismuth subsalicylate is chemically related to aspirin (acetylsalicylate), which can be dangerous for children. When given during a viral illness, it can cause Reye’s Syndrome, a rare condition that can involve serious brain damage. For this reason, products containing bismuth subsalicylate must carry the following warning on the label: “Children and teenagers should not use this medicine for chicken pox or flu symptoms before a doctor is consulted about Reye's syndrome, a rare but serious illness reported to be associated with aspirin.” In addition, recent studies have not found these medicines to be effective in children under 12.

[Dunbar Plumbing]

I was constipated, took Immodium A/D thinking that was the cure. Then I had white castles to break the dam loose and it worked! But I've created so many different types of fossil fuels in the atmosphere that Al Gore wanted to start a rumor about it. :p

[master plumber mark]

well, that is nice to know,

I have been giving it to them in small doses
ever since they could walk..

it says in rare instances it causes problems,
I suppose it is way too late to worry about that.

[Cass]

What Happens in Vegas Stays in Vegas...and don't for get it...:)

[Cookie]

Better to know late than never Mark, I just wouldn't give them anymore. I gave mine when little the same stuff not knowing, too.

[master plumber mark]

Better to know late than never Mark, I just wouldn't give them anymore. I gave mine when little the same stuff not knowing, too.

thank you for the info

I have to wonder if this is a freak allergic reaction
that happens to a small number of people in the population
like people that are allergic to pennecilliin...???

Its a little late to worry about it now

[Terry]

I'm going to ask about getting a shot this year, haven't before, but it may be a good idea this year.

Jamie had the flue this Summer for a week, or this last Spring.
I think I had it too, for a few hours.
That's the good thing about age, you have more antibodies built up.

They say that in a few months my immunity will be down to zip.
There goes one more thing I was proud of.
Dang it!

Watching USC and the Irish.
I'm West Coast, so I'm pulling for USC.
Washington beat USC this year, and lost in overtime to Notre Dame.

[Terry]

I was talking to my 92 YO mother about her experience with 1918 flu pandemic.

She lived on a farm, with cows, chickens, orchards and land for crops.
Her family didn't go to school for a while, and didn't have outside visitors.

That pandemic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic) attacked the young and healthy.

I read this week, that people were taking large quantities of aspirin for it.
Like 25 tablets every three hours.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2010051445_fluaspirin13.html
Lungs were filling up with watery blood.
Now they think that the overdose of aspirin may have contributed to the deaths.

[jimbo]

I was constipated, took Immodium A/D thinking that was the cure. . :p


I think you already know that immodium is for the other side of that equation! If you took immodium, you may not poop for a week!

I love immodium. As Carl Malden said about his American Express card, don't leave home without it! And as another senior citizen said, at this age, you can't trust a fart!

[jimbo]

I was talking to my 92 YO mother about her experience with 1918 flu pandemic.

She lived on a farm, with cows, chickens, orchards and land for crops.
Her family didn't go to school for a while, and didn't have outside visitors.

That pandemic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic) attacked the young and healthy.

I read this week, that people were taking large quantities of aspirin for it.
Like 25 tablets every three hours.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2010051445_fluaspirin13.html
Lungs were filling up with watery blood.
Now they think that the overdose of aspirin may have contributed to the deaths.


Very interesting about the aspirin! My parents were both born in '05, and I reget now that I never talked to them about the '18 thing. About the only thing I know about that time is that Mom's older brother was gassed in the trenches in France, and only lived a few years after returning home.

[frenchie]

Lungs were filling up with watery blood.
Now they think that the overdose of aspirin may have contributed to the deaths.

Makes sense - aspirin's a blood thinner, isn't it?

[Cookie]

Mark, you are welcome.

[Peter Griffin]

I was constipated, took Immodium A/D thinking that was the cure. Then I had white castles to break the dam loose and it worked! But I've created so many different types of fossil fuels in the atmosphere that Al Gore wanted to start a rumor about it. :p

KFC works for me. Only takes about 15 minutes :eek:

[Cookie]

That's all that grease in it. Yuk.

[Peter Griffin]

Before my by-pass operation I used to eat that crap all the time. Now I'm a rice and V8 juice fan and loving it :(

It's amazing how a little thing like DEATH can change a lifetime of bad habits. ;)

[master plumber mark]

Before my by-pass operation I used to eat that crap all the time. Now I'm a rice and V8 juice fan and loving it :(

It's amazing how a little thing like DEATH can change a lifetime of bad habits. ;)

yes it is amazeing,,,,,

I was 205 this spring and the doctor put me on blood pressure meds and colestoral meds...

my sisters forced me to start a jenny craig diet..in mid june

Actually, its a pretty good diet.
I cost me less per week for 3 meals a day than I was spending for
just lunch and other snaks per day......

.
and the lard just seemed to fall off me this summer
and the food is probably better than I have eaten in a long while....

now down to 179,,
and I went from a size 38 pants down to 34 .

now I am all muscle (pretty much).

cut the blood presusre pills down to half.


I need to be here for another 15 years if possible

[Peter Griffin]

When I was 17... it was a very good year........

[master plumber mark]

Well, we got one over it and now this
moring the 8 year old is sick and with a 101 fever.... I am staying home today with her.....


I think the throwing up is about to start any time now

Cookie
going to take your advice and go very light on the pepto bismol...

[Cookie]

Yes, that is best, sorry to hear about the younger one Mark. My older son just over Mono, and that just about drove me over the edge, that is the EBV (virus). That is a dirty word to me, lol.

[master plumber mark]

Yes, that is best, sorry to hear about the younger one Mark. My older son just over Mono, and that just about drove me over the edge, that is the EBV (virus). That is a dirty word to me, lol.


its like a wave of crap that wont end,

my wife isnt feeling too good this afternoon either

[Cass]

Thats a good thing because you don't want to have happen to you what I had...from the time my heart attack started I only had 5 Min. for people to start working on me...even at that the survival rate is only a little over 1/2 of 1%.....you need to get a stress test...that will show you how you realy are...


yes it is amazeing,,,,,

I was 205 this spring and the doctor put me on blood pressure meds and colestoral meds...

my sisters forced me to start a jenny craig diet..in mid june

Actually, its a pretty good diet.
I cost me less per week for 3 meals a day than I was spending for
just lunch and other snaks per day......

.
and the lard just seemed to fall off me this summer
and the food is probably better than I have eaten in a long while....

now down to 179,,
and I went from a size 38 pants down to 34 .

now I am all muscle (pretty much).

cut the blood presusre pills down to half.


I need to be here for another 15 years if possible

[Cookie]

its like a wave of crap that wont end,

my wife isnt feeling too good this afternoon either

At least it won't stuff up the toilet, lol. :)

[master plumber mark]

Thats a good thing because you don't want to have happen to you what I had...from the time my heart attack started I only had 5 Min. for people to start working on me...even at that the survival rate is only a little over 1/2 of 1%.....you need to get a stress test...that will show you how you realy are...

I bought a nordic trac off craigs list for $100 this spring...real nice one

Its ideal for low impact, but intence body work out

I am doing 20 minutes on it every other night...while watching tv......
. .....its a pretty good sweat, and I dont even notice it while watching some stupid nonsense on tv.......
I think if I do this on a regualr basis,
it probably will keep all the nasties away ......




the 8 year old temp is now at 102....

it looks like another long night for me and mamma.

[Cookie]

Mark, I am not sure what you mean when you say nasties, like maybe heart disease or things like I got, but I got to tell you the truth, excercise is great but it is not the complete answer. My husband walked daily miles and I ran marathons. Literally. Living long is a comb of good genes,healthy lifestyle, limited stress, good diet and enough excercise. And, some good luck. (my grandparents lived to be almost 100, yet no one they gave birth to lived past their mid 50's or early 60's). and their was 13 of them on one side alone.

[Cookie]

One good thing though, is if you work up a good sweat, it will keep away those you want to, ha ha ha ha. For me, that is the rellies. :)
The Swine Flu has the same amazing results, swine flu can be your friend.

[Cookie]

I bought a nordic trac off craigs list for $100 this spring...real nice one

Its ideal for low impact, but intence body work out

I am doing 20 minutes on it every other night...while watching tv......
. .....its a pretty good sweat, and I dont even notice it while watching some stupid nonsense on tv.......
I think if I do this on a regualr basis,
it probably will keep all the nasties away ......




the 8 year old temp is now at 102....

it looks like another long night for me and mamma.

I run to Desparate Housewive's, and pedal to the Roloff's, when all finished I am glad I am a widow and taller than 4 feet. :)

[Peter Griffin]

I go to the gym 4 times a week and park myself on a treadmill behind the best looking girl I can find :D Motivation :D Allright, I'm a dirty old man :eek:

[master plumber mark]

I go to the gym 4 times a week and park myself on a treadmill behind the best looking girl I can find :D Motivation :D Allright, I'm a dirty old man :eek:


I have thought of doing that myself, but I have come to realize that its not going to do me any good at all to be looking at those hot babes,,,

its like dangling a juicey steak out in front of a starveing man and telling him he cant have it.
you can smell it, admire the beauty of it, even gaze longingly ...
but if you touch it.......it probably will kill ya....
or get you in more trouble than you have ever known....




I would rather just watch something educational
on the discovery or history channel....and just plod along

I am not too sexist do you think???

[Cookie]

I go to the gym and pick a tread behind the good looking men, am I sexist? I can't help that it is the best place to watch the Tv. :)

[Peter Griffin]

There ain't no law against looking and dreaming ;)

I remember a time not that long ago when I could ...........

[Cass]

Bad Reaction to Flu Shot...

http://indianapolis.momslikeme.com/members/JournalActions.aspx?g=246851&m=7973851

[Thatguy]

Bad Reaction to Flu Shot...

http://indianapolis.momslikeme.com/members/JournalActions.aspx?g=246851&m=7973851
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=%22vaccine+injury%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

[Cookie]

Unfortunately, nothing is perfect but imagine a world without vaccines.

[Cass]

True....

And then this...The state of NY was going to force all health care workers to receive the shot but the NY Supreme Court placed an injunction on it saying the director who ordered it over stepped his power when he ordered it...

The thing is they have no idea if the vaccine is safe because it has not been tested...

[Cookie]

It is far worse to have flu ravage our nation.

[Cass]

When the Drug Industry and Government get together is is a recipe for disaster...

How can the CDC say vaccines need to be tested before being used but then turn around and say this new vaccine is OK without being tested...

It all has to do with $$$ not health....

This is when / how lots of people can be harmed...

[Cookie]

I agree with you Cass, but still the vaccine might be the lessor of 2 evils.

[Cass]

I guess without testing the vaccine it is a toss of the coin...maybe yes maybe no...

[Cookie]

Well, the flu is a guarantee it can hurt you.

[Cass]

So is the untested vaccine if you have a reaction to it...and will they tell us how many people have a bad reaction or will they sweep it under the rug...

Like they did with the shots they were giving the soldiers that received bad vaccine serum and are now debilitated for life....it also was not tested or not tested enough...it is a travesty

[jimbo]

There were some problems with the vaccine in '76. I was in the Navy then, and never knew of any service members affected, but probably some where. Today's vaccine is much different.

And there is no free lunch in life. If a few hundred or a few thousand people world wide have some adverse reaction to the vaccine, mostly minor reactions, that is balanced by the tens of millions of people worldwide who will NOT DIE, because they are protected by the vaccine.

Back in the early '50s, my mom and others lived all summer in FEAR of polio...we couldn't go out in public, stayed away from the beach, etc. A little girl about 5 houses down the street died from polio, and I think my mom just prayed 24/7 for about a month so we woudn't get it. Seemed to work! The vaccine changed people's lives for the better.

I will be in line for the H1N1 as soon as they will let old farts get it. I would consider backhanding some young punks to get toward the front of the line if I could get away with it!!!!!

[Cass]

Personally I don't care what happens as long as receiving the vaccine is voluntary

[Cookie]

One disease can lead to another. For instance Mono, which is caused by the Epstein Barr Virus, is linked to Lymphoma. So, in other words, if you have a greater chance of getting Lymphoma later in life. People tested with Lymphoma will test positive for EBV.

I am a firm believer of immunizations. You just don't know.


Jimbo, is so totally correct my friend.

I have a friend, Elizabeth, who is Amish. I am hesitant of visiting because they do not get any vaccinations. They have accepted me even though I am English as one of their own, and Elizabeth, has been wanting to play match-maker with her cousin. One, I don't think I look good plain and the red stilettos ( this is a joke) might be a problem, but no vaccines, you won't see me. :)

I am in line with Jimbo. :)

[Peter Griffin]

since the government is in charge of the whole program, and they have already run out of vaccine, It looks to be just about a non issue :D And this is the same bunch that want to administer universal health care :rolleyes:

[Cookie]

The vaccine will be available the first week of November.

[master plumber mark]

everyone here has finally gotten all better..
temps back down to 98,
but a nose bleed last night....
staying home again todayfrom school....


still , I think it is lurking out there waiting to rear its ugly head again
I am not letting my guard down .....

[Cass]

good to hear it...

[Cookie]

The one thing I do especially when the flu is about is to wipe off my door knobs especially in the bathroom with one of those lysol wipes. I do the toilet handle, the seat, sink knobs, tub handles, and the door knobs. In my town, our supermarket provides the same wipes to wipe down the handle on the cart you are using.

I actually do this 2x a day. Once at nightfall, because I can hear the germs in their having fun & reproducing; and, if I don't have fun & reproduce nothing in this house will, :) then, in the morning, I clean it again for the day, incase I missed some die-hards. This seems to be efffective.

[Cookie]

everyone here has finally gotten all better..
temps back down to 98,
but a nose bleed last night....
staying home again todayfrom school....


still , I think it is lurking out there waiting to rear its ugly head again
I am not letting my guard down .....


Don't know if this is the case, but 3 things that are common can cause a nosebleed, actually, 4, one is, Aspirin, it thins the blood, 2, the furnace, can dry out the air & your nose membranes, 3, an infection and 4, picking it, lol.

[Peter Griffin]

Good deal Mark, sick kids, sick family, bummer. And it seems to go on for eternity.

Cookie, do you use the hand sanitizer stuff? I once had a nurse show me how to properly wash my hands, oh and a dental hygienist show me how to brush my teeth. Seems that in 50 odd years I had been doing it all wrong :(

[Cookie]

I don't think you were doing it wrong, it is just a new & improved way, lol, which usually, never pans out anyway. :)

My sons are always buying me the hand sanitizers, since I have quite an extensive collection of it, I told them they can quit. They are quite doting over me, to the point where when I see them coming I RUN. :) I really wish they didn't worry so much, it worries me, lol.

[hj]

Ian, if the electricians get the swine flue, that would mean we would finally have room in the buildings to put our pipes. I have always said that electricians have a special course in how to run a 1/2 conduit through Chase Field and take up EVERY bit of space so NO ONE else could install anything.

[Cookie]

One thing that might help with the flu season here is the dishwasher. Making sure you use it, maybe not let dishes sit, and don't do what I do in turning off the heat dry, I might turn mine back on.

One important fact is if your kids are coming down with something, to keep them home. Flu in school is really bad. So, if they are sniffling, their noses are starting to run, even if they don't feel warm, or nothing hurts, keep them home.

*this is the time to take them to visit your relatives, lol.

[FloridaOrange]

Wife was diagnosed with H1N1 last Thursday. We let the in-laws keep our daughter until yesterday. What a friggin PIA -- I was going to the in-laws for the hours Belle was up and about, their house is not kid friendly so I was constantly chasing her just to keep and eye out for potential disasters. I've had to keep myself pretty hopped up on the pain pills because I'm constantly the one to pick her up for whatever reason and I was the one putting her to be for a nap or for the night. The wife is almost better, she just has a horrific sore throat that goes up into her left ear.

When all this is over I guess I'll be back to square one on getting my back better. :(

[jimbo]

Hope all is well. Not sure about your procedure. You were going back and forth repeatedly carrying potential exposure from your wife, over to the inlaws place and your daughter!

The "doc du jour" on TV says a simple course of action is for the sick person to stay in their bedroom, set up the tv etc. Others go in and out of the room only infrequently for meds, bring in food , etc. I have stocked up on N95 masks and if one of us gets sick the other will probably wear a mask. We have plenty of purell, Lysol spray, etc. By the way, we started to stockpile this stuff 6 months ago. If you try to stock up now, you may find supplies low in the stores.

[FloridaOrange]

Hope all is well. Not sure about your procedure. You were going back and forth repeatedly carrying potential exposure from your wife, over to the inlaws place and your daughter!

The "doc du jour" on TV says a simple course of action is for the sick person to stay in their bedroom, set up the tv etc. Others go in and out of the room only infrequently for meds, bring in food , etc. I have stocked up on N95 masks and if one of us gets sick the other will probably wear a mask. We have plenty of purell, Lysol spray, etc. By the way, we started to stockpile this stuff 6 months ago. If you try to stock up now, you may find supplies low in the stores.

The wife was mostly confined to the bedroom, I slept on the couch. As soon as we got word we disinfected the whole house. We also kept disinfectant wipes on the counter and as I did stuff around the house I was constantly wiping stuff down and washing my hands and using Purell. When she did come out of the room she wore a mask. Anytime I left I washed up as soon as I got to where I was going.

Cross my fingers but it doesn't look like it spread. We were real concerned about her grandfather, he's had a kidney replaced and is diabetic besides pushing 90. She ate dinner Wednesday at her parents and her grandparents came over, but no one else has shown any symptoms.

[Cookie]

Ah, that wasn't good. He was too old, but, I am glad all seems well. It is so scary.

[Runs with bison]

The vaccine production has been so slow that from what I've read from immunization experts they project that 2/3 of the population will have already contracted the flu by the time it is available in quantity. In other words, it's worthless. There is some need to find faster methods for developing a vaccine and actually getting it in place. Reminds me of the old jokes about the Emergency Notification system test announcements, "If this had been an actual emergency you would all be dead by now."

We've already been through a bout of flu this season with the family. It was so mild and the symptoms so variable but extended that we didn't realize we actually had it. Everybody else we know has been going through the same thing with varying degrees of sickness. We haven't been tested, but since they are reporting nearly all identified flu at this time is swine flu, it doesn't really matter anymore.

As flu goes, this stuff was really mild. The fact that this stuff can be so mild that you don't realize you or your children have it until several days into the episode is likely why it has spread so thoroughly. My son ran a mild fever for about 12 hours, my daughter never had one, nor did my wife or myself. A little Pepto kept the adults functional.

[jimbo]

First you have to grow 300 million chickens. Those poor roosters do their best, but are plumb tuckered out!

[Cookie]

My son had the same symptoms it was tested and he had mono. So be careful you are sure what you are dealing with, mono has special needs.

[Cookie]

I got the flu. :(

I thought I saw those pigs going by...

[jimbo]

Grandpa, with the diabetes, should be eligible for a flu shot in the high risk group. On the other hand, at that age, they say he has probably got immunity. He just missed the 1918 epidemic, but has lived through other outbreaks in the 40's, '76, and others.

Despite reports of how quickly it spreads like through a classroom, etc, The folks I have known where on of the kids got it...no one else in the family got it.

[Cookie]

Your doctor has a decision on who gets the flu shot, too. I am sure the doctor will give the flu shot to someone elderly and with diabetes.
My girlfriend was a grandma though for the first time, (2 now) in her late 40's. Not quite elderly.

[Runs with bison]

Despite reports of how quickly it spreads like through a classroom, etc, The folks I have known where on of the kids got it...no one else in the family got it.

It doesn't spread all that rapidly, but it has been persistently spreading for months now. I've watched as my kids' soccer teams, schoolmates, and scouts have succumbed one family at a time over roughly the past two months. In about half the cases the parents became ill too.

The stuff is often so mild that many adults will not realize they have it until 2-3 days have passed. I estimate that between 50-75% of the kids in our area have already had it. I base this on checking attendance and follow up calls to make sure the kids/parents I work with are okay. It's way too late to worry about vaccines for the general population.

[jimbo]

. It's way too late to worry about vaccines for the general population.

I am starting to realize that! Good thing this was not the "killer flu". By the time the vaccine gets into general circulation, tens of millions of folks will already have had the flu. That and vaccinating a good chunk of the general pop. when available, may reduce the chance of another "pandemic" until the bird flu or something else comes along@!

[Cookie]

Here is something more to worry about incase you are all out, :)

I saw this on Yahoo...


Please don't sneeze on your pet
It's enough that you have to worry about you and your kids catching swine flu this season. But now you also have to be concerned for … your cat. That's right. Your furry friend can catch it, from you. At least that's the case for a 13-year-old feline in Iowa diagnosed with H1N1 after its two owners both came down with the flu. The cat was treated at a veterinary hospital after appearing lethargic, losing its appetite and having trouble breathing. All three have recovered. Although this is the first documented case, consider it a cautionary tale.

http://consults.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/can-pets-get-swine-flu/
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/the-cat-who-got-swine-flu/


People with flulike symptoms can protect their pets with the same precautions used to minimize transmission of virus between humans. Such measures include washing hands thoroughly, particularly before handling the pet or preparing food; covering coughs and sneezes; and avoiding close contact with the pet during the course of illness.

It is common for pets to share beds and other furniture with humans, and this should be avoided during an illness.

There is no evidence to date of a dog being infected with H1N1, but commonsense measures should be taken with all pets to decrease the likelihood of potential virus transmission, like keeping pets out of the bedroom of anyone with flulike symptoms and away from contaminated objects.