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Barry J
03-21-2009, 03:14 PM
I want to put energy efficient lights in our ceiling fan, I put some in my daughters, but it takes about 4-5 minutes for them to get up to full brightness.

Is there a certain kind i can get that does not do that?? Or a certain label to look out for??

Thanks

Barry

Speedy Petey
03-21-2009, 03:24 PM
Nope. They all do that. But they are worth it.

Scuba_Dave
03-21-2009, 04:18 PM
What brand are you using?
I use Nvision & Bright Effects
While they are not immeditaley full power - they don't take 4-5 minutes

jimbo
03-21-2009, 05:35 PM
Slow run up to full brightness tends to be a characteristic of electronic ballast instant start bulbs. But some, Philips or TCP I think, makes a line called "InstaBrite" try those.

99k
03-21-2009, 05:48 PM
When they take the mercury out, then I will buy them!

Scuba_Dave
03-21-2009, 06:48 PM
When they take the mercury out, then I will buy them!

You mean the same mercury that is in every flourescent bulb/tube including millions of work sites?? :rolleyes:

jadnashua
03-21-2009, 06:59 PM
If you can find them on sale somewhere they may be an alternative, LED bulb replacments are instant on, and will might outlast you and the fixture you install them in....just that they are sooo expensive right now. http://www.smarthome.com/973141/C-Crane-GeoBulb-II-Long-Lasting-LED-Light-Bulb-Cool-White-2CW/p.aspxIs an example of one, there are a lot of them out there.

iminaquagmire
03-21-2009, 08:28 PM
They just burn out. I did have one in which the ballast burned up in and melted the housing, but that was a no name brand and probably 6 years ago when they were first becoming widely available. If you're worried about the mercury, don't throw them away. The recycling center here takes them and I know there are places you can ship them if your local town doesn't.

All of mine are nvision and are instant on by the way. The only bulbs in the house that aren't CFL's are the GU10 bulbs in my recessed cans and the halogens in the motion light for the backyard. Even the flood lights for the track lighting are CFL's.

The LED bulb posted above is only equivalent to a 25 or 30 watt incandescent. I can't direct link to it, but SuperBrightLEDs.com (http://www.superbrightleds.com/) has quite a few less expensive LED bulbs from edison screw base to MR16.

jimbo
03-22-2009, 07:18 AM
LED will be the bulb of the future. The US energy department has commited to that, but I think the drop dead date is 2015. By then the technology will have evolved, and the price will come down. Right now the cost of LED to replace a regular 40 watt bulb is $50 to $115, and the electrical savings would not pay that back if you lived to be a hundred!

So, I will stay with fluorescents until the government realizes they have created a mercury disaster that will make the Love Canal look like a tea party!

On the plus side, Home Depot has stepped up to the plate, and accepts all fluorescents for recycle from all comers. I do not go out of my way to recycle. Last weekend, my old microwave just went right in the dumpster, because I refuse to schlep that all over town. But HD stores are everywhere, and I AM a little concerned about mercury, so I will drop bulbs off there.

Speedy Petey
03-22-2009, 07:30 AM
You mean the same mercury that is in every flourescent bulb/tube including millions of work sites?? :rolleyes:Yeah really. Work sites, homes, offices, stores, ............

There is entirely too much hype over these lamps.

Scuba_Dave
03-22-2009, 11:19 AM
I won't ever use them indoors, but, I do use them outside. I am wondering though when they do burn out, will they break or just burn out? I haven't had one go yet, but I do use one in the postlamp, front porch, and 3 flood lights.

They just burn out, I have never had one break due to burning out. I have been using CFL's for about 15 years. I still have one of my original CFL's bulbs

jwelectric
03-22-2009, 06:15 PM
anyone know where these CFL bulbs are made at?

Scuba_Dave
03-22-2009, 06:42 PM
Box I just looked at says Made in China

jwelectric
03-22-2009, 08:53 PM
Box I just looked at says Made in China

Why am I not surprised?????????????

China is the only country that does not restrict the manufacturing process of these bulbs. They all are made in China so bare in mind that for every bulb you buy another American is starving to death because they can not find work.

jimbo
03-23-2009, 06:16 AM
Why am I not surprised?????????????

China is the only country that does not restrict the manufacturing process of these bulbs. They all are made in China so bare in mind that for every bulb you buy another American is starving to death because they can not find work.

And another chinese child will suffer brain damage from mercury poisoning.

jwelectric
03-23-2009, 09:27 AM
And another chinese child will suffer brain damage from mercury poisoning.


Not to mention our children should one of those death traps break on the inside of our house.

Speedy Petey
03-23-2009, 12:48 PM
Why am I not surprised?????????????

China is the only country that does not restrict the manufacturing process of these bulbs. They all are made in China so bare in mind that for every bulb you buy another American is starving to death because they can not find work.
Come on Mike. This is a bit dramatic, don't you think?
What things like are NOT made in China any more?

Don't get me wrong, I go out of my way to buy quality items and buy American when I can. It's just this is becoming nearly impossible any more.
What companies like Milwaukee go to China to make their tools it signals the beginning of the end. WHY the hell is it that no one wants to spend the money for quality??? Adjusted for inflation, many things are MUCH cheaper than they were 20-25 years ago. And this is NOT a good thing IMO.

There are WAY less people like us, and WAY more that shop almost exclusively at that sh*thole walmart. :mad:

Scuba_Dave
03-23-2009, 01:19 PM
You mean the same mercury that is in every flourescent bulb/tube including millions of work sites?? :rolleyes:


Yeah really. Work sites, homes, offices, stores, ............

There is entirely too much hype over these lamps.


Not to mention our children should one of those death traps break on the inside of our house.

Please :rolleyes:

Scuba_Dave
03-23-2009, 01:25 PM
I also checked NVision & Sylvania CFL's
Also made in China

Sylvania is an American company
NVision is out of Georgia
Bright Effects is out of CA

99k
03-23-2009, 06:22 PM
Please :rolleyes:

Mercury is incredibly toxic! Don't underestimate it ... I do not have fluorescent bulbs in my house either. Sure they don't break when then burn out, however, they easily break when they are hit or dropped. Where are the majority ending up when they expire? In the garbage of course ... most don't bother with recycling. The mercury is now out of batteries ... I suspect the technology exists. There are many who believe autism is related to mercury ... I'll stay with incandescent until they come up with an alternative material.

Scuba_Dave
03-23-2009, 08:19 PM
Rubbish, you can get more mercury from eating fish & tuna
The power companies are pumping out Mercury into the environment
Using less electricity means they are pumping out less Mercury

jwelectric
03-23-2009, 08:52 PM
Rubbish, you can get more mercury from eating fish & tuna
The power companies are pumping out Mercury into the environment
Using less electricity means they are pumping out less Mercury


Rubbish or not check out what EPA has to say you are to do should one break. click here (http://www.energystar.gov/ia/products/lighting/cfls/downloads/CFL_Cleanup_and_Disposal.pdf)
I think this will make you look at them a little differently if the fact that the only place they are made is in China isn't enough to make you take notice.

Bottom line is they ain't worth the powder to blow them to h-----

jimbo
03-24-2009, 07:00 AM
What things like are NOT made in China any more?

Don't get me wrong, I go out of my way to buy quality items and buy American when I can. It's just this is becoming nearly impossible any more.
. :mad:

A few months ago I read a book called " A year without Made in China". A family decided to live for a year without purchasing anything made in China. I bought the book with great anticipation that I would learn HOW to do that. The bottom line conclusion of the book was that you CANNOT reasonably do it. One example : she needed new sneakers for the 10 year old boy. After spending WEEKS shopping all over town, all over the internet, she did buy something online, from Sweden, for $70!
She went all summer without a fan in the hot southern summer, because her fan broke, and there are no fans made in the US, and even a repairman said he could fix it, but the parts are from China.

Cookie
03-24-2009, 10:08 AM
Check this out, it is interesting.

http://www.madeinusa.org/nav.cgi?boolean=AND&case=Insensitive&start=0&group=20&terms=shoes&x=0&y=0

jwelectric
03-24-2009, 11:39 AM
Check out this link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg)

Scuba_Dave
03-24-2009, 12:13 PM
Rubbish, you can get more mercury from eating fish & tuna
The power companies are pumping out Mercury into the environment
Using less electricity means they are pumping out less Mercury

Bottom line is they reduce mercury being poured into the environment

99k
03-24-2009, 03:02 PM
Bottom line is they reduce mercury being poured into the environment

Please explain how the utility company is "pouring mercury into the environment". Please attach a link or story too. Thanks.

99k
03-24-2009, 03:04 PM
Rubbish, you can get more mercury from eating fish & tuna

Please show me the data Dave.

Bill Arden
03-24-2009, 05:02 PM
Coal contains a small amount of mercury and since half of our power (at least here in MN) comes from coal, you actually release less mercury over the average bulb lifetime by using a CFL compared to a regular light bulb. This is even true if the CFL is broken instead of being properly disposed of.

For references see Kwh per coal plant emissions along with CFL energy savings over it's average life expectancy.

To save even more buy a "cold cathode" CFL and use a motion sensor.

FYI: There are a lot of other products that contain mercury. old Thermostats, florescent lights, Tilt sensors, ignitrons, ect...

Scuba_Dave
03-24-2009, 05:07 PM
Please explain how the utility company is "pouring mercury into the environment". Please attach a link or story too. Thanks.

Look it up, plenty of info on the web

Or go to this site, it's been verified

http://forums.treehugger.com/viewforum.php?f=1&st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sid=67c8ccd556a48b4890bf990a6cfeede8

bergyblue34
03-30-2013, 10:49 PM
Walmart scares me

Speedy Petey
03-31-2013, 05:31 AM
Walmart scares me
So you REALLY thought digging up a FOUR YEAR dormant thread was necessary just to post this????