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Terry
05-17-2005, 03:52 PM
Other homeowners want to know how good Toto's new idea in bowl glazing, Sanagloss (http://www.totousa.com/Default.aspx?tabid=83) is.

You can post your comments here.

normwu
05-17-2005, 04:59 PM
Thanks for posting the poll, Terry.

I contacted Terry about an article I'm writing on nanotechnology and toilets for http://www.totousa.com/Default.aspx?tabid=83. If any of you homeowners who have a Toto SanaGloss toilet would be willing to share your thoughts and be quoted in the article, please email me via the Members List and include your phone number. I can only gather input through Friday morning this week, May 20. Thanks.

--Norm Wu

jadnashua
05-17-2005, 05:24 PM
Being single and having two bathrooms, plus being at work for a good portion of the day, my toilets don't get used that much during the week. The toilet bowl water grows algae. It takes much longer to start, grows slower, and just brushes off clean. The original toilets took a lot more work to clean up and it grew back faster.

I'd have to take Toto's word for the fact that it holds fewer germs. Since the design of the toilets are so much different, I can't say if the water actually flows faster, but will say that it disappears very fast - much faster than in the old design.

keithdeanne
05-18-2005, 03:44 PM
I just recently finished a new half bath and from the recomendations on this site I purchaced a toto sanagloss. I have to say I love it. It's fantasic! Quiet, quick and stays clean. Now my wife wants me to install yet another toto sanagloss in our other bathroom. Problem is, there isn't one...lol I plan on replacing that toliet with another toto in the next year or so.
keith
:rolleyes:

Terry
05-23-2005, 06:02 PM
By Norm Wu (http://www.extremenano.com/author/Norm+Wu/4233.aspx)
May 23, 2005
Over the past four years Toto has, in fact, been rolling out a self-cleaning feature across some of its toilet line. Called CeFiONtect (Ceramic Fine Ion Technology) in Asia and SaniGloss (http://www.totousa.com/toto/ourbestfeatures.asp) in the U.S., Toto's ceramic glaze coats the inner bowl with a non-porous, super smooth surface at the nanometer scale. According to the company, stubborn waste is as small as a few microns. Their patents suggest that the "roughness" of a SaniGloss surface may be under 30 nanometers. By eliminating the microscopic nooks and crannies that conventional glazes have, there are no places for dirt, mold or bacteria to get a foothold. Toto achieves this smoothness by applying a secondary transparent glaze over the conventional colored glaze whose pigments and opacifiers create surface unevenness. In addition, anti-bacterial metals can be added to this layer.

The rest of the story (http://www.extremenano.com/article/Nanotech+Toilets+Take+Off/152518_1.aspx)


Norm,
I'm glad I clicked on the rest of the story.
Very well though out and written.
Thanks,
Terry Love

kenyoung
06-01-2005, 10:34 AM
About 2 months ago I purchased 3 Toto Elongated Ultramax toilets. 2 of them had no sanigloss, which cost me $360 a piece and one had Sanigloss, which cost $410. I had been reading this site for several years. I had been experiencing clogging problems in my 1.6 gal toilets for some time in my last 2 homes, and had come very close to buying pressure-assisted toilets from Lowe's and Home Depot, but I am glad I did NOT....In my current home, which I had purchased 2.5 years ago, the developer used Kohler Wentworth gravity toilets. Consumer Reports actually wrote a good review on these toilets flushing ability, but it was only this site (Terry Love's site) that criticized and questioned the validity of the Consumer Reports study partially by pointing out that they did NOT think real plumbers were doing the study I did find that though the Kohler Wentworth 1.6 gal gravity flush toilets did NOT clog as much as the 1.6 gal toilets that I had used at my previous house, they still did clog and overflow, which was causing my wife and kids a lot of heartache and grief...It was only on this site that I "discovered" TOTO and its G-MAX technology. The TOTO toilets did solve my clogging problem, and my family is extremely pleased and happy with this....However, on this site I discovered that TOTO had this Sanigloss technology, which I had never heard of before. Was Sanigloss worth the extra money (which is about $50 to $60) more??? I did NOT get a clear answer to this from reading user comments on this web site (or in fact any web site)...The most useful comment I got was that the Toto Ultramax (without Sanigloss) was already a pretty clean toilet and did NOT need Sanigloss. Over the last 2 months, I would ask my wife if she thought the Sanigloss toilet was better or cleaner than the non-Sanigloss toilets...My wife's simple answer to the question was that she really did NOT see a difference...She however did say that because of the small amount of water in the toilet bowel of our Toto toilets (versus the "fuller" amount of water in our Kohler Wentworth toilets) that Toto toilets did need to be kept cleaned....When you look at the Sanigloss TOTO Ultramax toilet and the Toto Ultramax toilet with NO Sanigloss, you CANNOT see a physical difference EXCEPT for the fact that there is a little sticker on the Sanigloss toilet labeling it to have Sanigloss. Based on what my wife said and what I read on Terry Love's web site, I would not buy the Sanigloss again and save the $60 cost fee....However that WAS BEFORE I read Norm Wu's outstanding technical article "Nanotech Toilets Take Off" on Sanigloss on this web site...From the electron scanning microscope diagrams, it shows that BOTH brand new porcelain toilets from TOTO with Sanigloss and WITHOUT Sanigloss were RELATIVELY smooth. After about 3 years, the porcelain on TOTO toilets without Sanigloss (and, in fact, any toilet) became rougher and more susceptible to staining & "dirt". This helps to explain why right now on all my brand new TOTO toilets I do NOT see any real difference....I do NOT like seeing my wife (or any member of my family) spending time cleaning toilets. From Norm Wu's article, sanigloss is a special material "baked-on" to the toilet bowl surface at about 800 to 1200 degrees Centigrade, and will keep your toilet bowl relatively smooth and like new for about 100 years...This will help minimize time and work spent on cleaning toilet bowls by about 50%, especially as the toilet ages...I also read in the article that Terry Love sells a lot of Sanigloss toilets to doctors....For these reasons, if I had to buy my TOTO toilets again, I would buy them all 100% with Sanigloss...You cannot buy TOTO toilets in a retail hardware store like Home Depot or Lowe's. However, I am sold on TOTO toilets, and reluctantly have to admit that they are indeed superior to their American counterparts.

Ken Young

BigFan
10-05-2005, 11:13 AM
I've been using the Carlysle for about 2 months now, and I absolutely love it. Not only we don't have to clean the bowl, the flush (G-MAX) is super quiet AND powerful (It doesn't appear to be that way at first since it's so quiet). And the tank fills it up fast. I sometime wonder if it really needs a regular tank since it appears not using much water at all.

The bowl is really amazing. If something sticks after the first flush, it'd be flushed away the 2nd time. I've not yet used a toilet brush or 3rd flush yet. This is all because of the sanagloss bowl. It's as good as advertised.

The quiet close seat is also very good if you have young kids at home. It's comfortable and it won't "slam" down to the bowl.

My 2 cents.

sulconst2
10-05-2005, 02:40 PM
very happy with the ultramax sanagloss. dont drop anything in while its flushing or its gone! plus i have a nickname for the softclose. "MANSEAT". get done peeing and flip it closed. no worries. asked my wife how she likes it and she never noticed! duh, i guess if i sat when i peed i wouldnt notice either. lol. for the sanagloss i guess i cant tell being its new.

florida_wen
10-10-2005, 04:18 AM
We are definitely convinced TOTO toilets are superior to all others, as we had two in our house that we recently sold, and they were always reliable and worked great. We are about a month away from replacing the two toilets in THIS house we recently purchased (and hope to stay here for many, many years) but I see that Sanagloss is only available in WHITE. Why can't they use the Sanagloss process on the other colors ?? I think Bone is a very popular color, although not as popular as the traditional white, and that is the color we want to purchase.

Terry
10-10-2005, 09:07 AM
Toto has Sanagloss #03 Bone(almond)#12Beige(biscuit/linen) and #04Gray in their Vespin (http://www.easycarts.net/ecarts/terrylove/Toto_Toilets.html#CST764S) and Carlyle (http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto8741.htm) models.

I've been selling the standard height elongated bowls with Sanagloss CST744SG-01 Cotton White

http://www.terrylove.com/images/cotboll.jpg
Cotton White

Vitaliy
10-11-2005, 06:32 AM
Is my Ultramax TOTO model number MS854114S-01 SanaGloss or not?
I have not seen “SanaGloss” mentioned in spec, on box and
even on TOTO web page next to Ultramax toilets.

Thank you,

- Vitaliy

Terry
10-11-2005, 07:52 AM
The Toto website lists the Ultramax with Sanagloss as the MS854114SG-01 (http://www.totousa.com/productpage.asp?PID=717)

It's my biggest seller in the Seattle area.
Ultramax with Sanagloss (http://www.easycarts.net/ecarts/terrylove/Toto_Toilets.html)

The toilet will come with a stick-on "Sanagloss" emblem.

The bowl is shinier too. Anything with Sanagloss from Toto with have the letter "G" in the model number.

I always refer to those models as SG's.
G-Max is S
Sanagloss is G

Vitaliy
10-11-2005, 08:57 AM
Hi Tery,

Ops, I missed “SanaGloss” on general description Toto web page.
However spec does not have word “SanaGloss” in it.
My unit did not have any sticker/emblem or so but yes, bowl looks shinier.
So is it “SanaGloss” or it is a passivity it is not?
Anyway we like it a lot - fast but quiet!

Thank you,

- Vitaliy

Terry
11-07-2005, 04:32 PM
The Sanagloss Toto are stil one of my biggest sellers.

Smoother than glaze, which most bowls have.

I just installed a Sanagloss Ultramax in my downstairs.
It's working pretty good.

decisions, decisions!
11-07-2005, 11:38 PM
I read conflicting reports regarding the ADA Drake-does it come with sanagloss or not-so I called Melinda (Toto rep in Georgia-the number/address was posted recently). She said they were available but a supplyhouse had to order 30 of them. I have an ADA Drake (no sanagloss) and an Ultramax (with sanagloss) on order-I wish I could get both in sangloss. I also ordered 3 bath sinks with the sanagloss!

keithdeanne
11-27-2005, 09:40 AM
I just recently finished a new half bath and from the recomendations on this site I purchaced a toto sanagloss. I have to say I love it. It's fantasic! Quiet, quick and stays clean. Now my wife wants me to install yet another toto sanagloss in our other bathroom. Problem is, there isn't one...lol I plan on replacing that toliet with another toto in the next year or so.
keith
:rolleyes:
Well, It's been less than a year and I am currently finishing up the remodel of the main bathroom. I purchaced yet another toto "SG". The only thing I didn't get again was the toto soft close toliet seat. That thing although nice to look at, dosen't show promise to last but a year or two, because it is made out of a cheap thin plastic. I haven't had one stitch of problems with the toto in my basement. Fact, is in the six months or so that it has been installed I have yet to scrub the toliet. Don't get me wrong, the toliet is cleaned weekly, but the cleaning agent it only applied and then flushed away an hour or so later. The toliet is "almost" self cleaning. My father who has trouble with "standard height" toliets loves the ADA toliet in my basement. I am sure it will only be a mater of time before he calls me up to install a toto in his house.

Teutonaddict
01-15-2007, 05:56 PM
Hey Terry-

Thanks so much for the informative site. Based on all my research, I've opted to go with the Toto Ultramax elongated/ADA (MS854114SL-01). Is this model available in Sanagloss finish? The incremental cost described seems reasonable when you're toying with higher end models.

And finally, do you sell/ship to customers in TX? I noticed you list shipping to Seattle/LAX, and I'd prefer to support the forum administrators if prices are competitive.

Again, Thanks!
-Dave

Terry
01-16-2007, 10:25 AM
The Ultramax ADA does not come in ADA.

They do make tall bowl one-piece 16-1/8" high Soiree and Guinevere models with Sanagloss.

And, I don't ship to Texas anymore. Sorry.

Tall one piece toilets by Toto with Sanagloss are
Guinevere
Soiree
Gwyneth

http://www.terrylove.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6660&stc=1&d=1235262454

jdsoreacres
01-16-2007, 04:36 PM
After reading the forums and toilet info on Terry Love's Plumbing I could only buy Totos for our recent remodel. I bought the UltraMax with SaniGloss for our bathroom and the Drake ADA for the guest bathroom.

I am not a regular housecleaner and i notice that the UltraMax needs more than an occasional whisk with a toilet brush. Especially in the narrow front bottom. I can't seem to reach the grim that has settled there. Also there seems to be a water line of deposit on both toilets.

Since these are new and expensive toilets I have not used the old toilet tank disinfectants and bowl cleaners that I used before. What do you recommend for cleaning?

Terry
01-16-2007, 06:20 PM
Any of the liquid bowl cleaners should work. I've been using the Clorox with Teflon.

With 1.6 gallons, you will be cleaning more than with the older 3.5's and 5.0's

kc567567
01-20-2007, 11:06 AM
Any of the liquid bowl cleaners should work. I've been using the Clorox with Teflon.

With 1.6 gallons, you will be cleaning more than with the older 3.5's and 5.0's


So with an Ultramax with SanaGloss one should NOT use the usual powdered cleaners like comet ..... correct?

watfallet
02-17-2007, 12:01 AM
I'm interested in a reply to the post above, as I'm deciding whether to get my Toto Drake with or without Sanigloss.

I imagine even without Sanigloss the powder cleaners like Comet might be too harsh?

Terry
02-17-2007, 10:17 AM
No powder cleaners should be used on the Sanagloss.

kc567567
02-18-2007, 04:54 PM
I'm interested in a reply to the post above, as I'm deciding whether to get my Toto Drake with or without Sanigloss.

I imagine even without Sanigloss the powder cleaners like Comet might be too harsh?

I got the Ultramax and a Toto sink, and am very happy. Cleaning is not needed as often, and is easier when needed. They seem to have a higher gloss shine to them as well which is nice looking.
KC
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/kc235235/Home%20Mods/main_powder/mainbath020.jpg

mtne
02-24-2010, 10:13 PM
Hey Terry, is the Duravit WonderGliss the same kind of coating as the Toto Sanagloss?

Peanut9199
03-01-2010, 11:02 AM
It is the same idea yes, but technology different

homehunter808
03-06-2010, 12:09 PM
Am I the only one having issues with SanaGloss?

I bought two Soirees about 8 months ago. While they flush beautifully, there is no solid waste so soft or so firm that it will not CLING to the bowl. The it's either repeated flushing with great gobs of paper or getting out the brush. Disgusting. I got over the absurd sound effects (water trickling sounds like you're peeing after you've stopped), resigned myself to the back-splash (insert image of a cow and a flat rock here) and the fact that the toilet seat extends about 1/2" beyond the porcelain, just enough for my clothes to catch and lift the seat as I stand up and then slamming back down (apparently the soft-close requires a greater lift than 1-2" to activate), but having to clean this toilet every time is turning out to be more frequently aggravating than the old junk American Standards that I had to plunge once or twice a week. I'm a long time Toto fan, but these toilets were an expensive OOPS. I sure wish to heck there were a way to try before you buy!

jeffdt
03-10-2010, 04:46 PM
Can this seriously be called a poll? All the responses would have to positive towards Sanagloss. Seems as if there are many responses to Sanagloss that are less then glowing. I too overpaid for a marketing ploy.

Jeff

Terry
03-10-2010, 05:08 PM
The Drake II comes with Sanagloss
CST454CEFG

Or like you mention, the Drake CST744ELG can be ordered in lots of 30
What can also be gotten is the Ultramax ADA with Sanagloss
MS854114ELG
I've sold a few of those.

Jetta Whirlpool Baths
04-02-2010, 04:18 PM
Any of the liquid bowl cleaners should work



This is incorrect. I just spoke with my rep last week on how to approach this with customers. She says to not even use liquid bowl cleaners, as the abrasive chemicals can slowly rough the ion glaze. She says to use dish soap. She also told me that Toto wants to change its focus on Sanagloss as a more sanitary option rather than "ease of cleaning" product.

Every toilet needs regular cleaning. Even with Cyclone Flushing, Toto still expect you to use a toilet brush for regular cleaning.

Terry
04-10-2010, 05:19 AM
http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/cst474_side.jpg
Toto Vespin II CST474CEFG with SS114 Softclose seat.
This bowl was installed on a 13-1/2" rough-in using the 14" Unifit adapter.
The water shutoff can be as close as 5-1/2" to the left of center, unless it's higher off the floor, and then it can be even closer to center.
This shutoff had been replaced with a new 1/4 turn valve with brass nipple through the wall.
Installation was by James Love of Love Plumbing & Remodel 206-949-5683
In some of the older Seattle homes, the old toilets had been wall mounted tank toilets.
Those typically are 14" rough-in and need a flange repair to use standard closet bolt connections at the flange.
Everything is on the truck for that.
The Vespin comes with a standard 12" adapter or you can order a 10" or 14" adapter depending on your rough-in distance.

55wed55
06-20-2011, 05:10 PM
I bought 2 Ultramax toilets with SanaGloss about 4 years ago and have been very happy with them. I have always used Softscrub with bleach to clean them and have not had any problems. Last year we took a vacation and had someone stay at our house to house sit for a few weeks. I have no idea what they used to clean the one toilet that they used, but the SanaGlosss is completely gone where the water sits. Do you have any idea what could have caused this? That part of the toilet is very rough now and stains very easily. It also has a yellow tint that won't come out and always looks like someone just used it. I'm thinking about buying another Ultramax and replacing it, but I will not get the SanaGloss this time. Be careful with what you use to clean your SanaGloss!

jadnashua
06-20-2011, 05:47 PM
Sanagloss is no softer nor harder than a regular glaze. ANything that damaged it would damage a normal glaze. Hard to say what happened, could be a strong acid, or cleanser. Either of those would also damage a normal glaze.

Terry
06-21-2011, 06:59 AM
The bowl I have downstairs was installed in 2006; it looks new and still shines.
I use the standard liquid cleaners on it.

I have seen people try to use a toilet do dump paint, floor adhesive, concrete mortar and lint from carpets.
None of those things would be good to do.