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03-09-2008, 01:51 PM
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue]I am curious to know how often when you go to the doctors he checks your blood pressure.

03-09-2008, 02:44 PM
I would be curious to see the answer to this pole because high blood pressure, is also known as the silent killer of men and women and some children with inherited problems, and regular checking might catch it B 4 it became serious..

03-09-2008, 03:43 PM
Yep, I don't want to see this happen to any other person, man, woman or child. Someone has to step up to bat.
Here is something to check out.

03-09-2008, 07:21 PM
Well, cookie, until 2 years ago I never went to the doctor.( 20 years, since Navy retirement) Well, I had been on a few occasions for sprained knees ( each knee once!) and bronchitis once or twice. I suppose on those occasions, someone took my blood pressure, but nothing was ever noted. Then 2 years ago, my Dentist took my BP and told me it was high. Apparently, there is a law in CA that dentists have to check your BP with a checkup, on the theory that for many people like me, that may be the only time it is checked. SO, reluctantly I went to the doc, and found out SURPRISE I have diabetes....bad. Fortunately, both of those things are now well controlled with small doses of meds, and I am in much better health than I was.


Bob NH
03-09-2008, 08:51 PM
I am on blood pressure medication and sometimes wondered if it was working.

About 2 years ago I bought a ReliOn Model 412CREL digital blood pressure monitor at WalMart. It is the kind that you pump up with a bulb. Don't get the electric pump model becuase it uses batteries faster and is not as reliable.

It is easy to use. All you do is pump it up and let it bleed down and it measures and displays Syst/Diast BPs and pulse rate. It saves about the last 12 meausrements so you can check back on how things vary.

The one in the picture at the link looks like a newer version of the same model. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=896473

03-10-2008, 10:22 AM
Seems to me, they checked my blood pressure at the dentist last time too.
I need to get out more and get it a bit lower.
I may be old, but it should be a bit better than it is.
I picked up an elliptical, but I forget to use it.
It's easier to grab my son Taylor and go up skiing.

It's too bad Cookie, that they weren't checking when your husband was going in for his checkups. That should have been a "no-brainer"


Ian Gills
03-11-2008, 02:18 PM
I'm only 33 and for the past year my BP has been high and rising. After fobbing the doctor off, I have three months to get it down else I need to go on the meds. So, I have finally stopped alcohol, nicotine and caffeine and am watching my diet. I'm too young for this.

High BP is uncomfortable to test (by definition it will need to squeeze the jesus out of you), so I can only test it at the doctors. The machines you can buy to diy make me freak out, squeezing my arm so tight and inducing very very high and inaccurate readings as I panic. Only a white coat with one of the manual pumps seems to work.

I only moved to the US a few years ago. In the UK (where I was born) you only go to the dotcor when you are ill. Not so here. So if I had not moved the problem would have missed.

American healthcare is damn expensive but if you can afford it, it is very good. Assuming they take your BP anyway!

I am sorry to learn of your loss Cookie. Personally, I think it was a huge oversight. If your late husband was short and fat like me, that doctor would have been testing his BP like a shot. A tragic case of stereotyping.

03-11-2008, 03:10 PM
I do not recall ever being in a doctor's office or emergency room without my blood pressure being checked. I have always known blood pressure and pulse as "vitals" to be checked at every visit.

A doctor first told me my blood pressure was high when I was about 17, and I heard the same from various doctors or nurses through the years until one doctor finally told me I would soon be dead (at 240/140) if I did not do something immediately about 30 years later. In other words, even the ones who commonly check it might not actually try to do anything about it.

One's health is ultimately one's own responsibility, and hypertension's "silence" should be made known to everyone.

03-11-2008, 03:27 PM
I have on occasion had my blood pressure checked by the dentist but it certainly isn't an every visit thing. And yes, I go to the dentist several times a year.

I also go to the doctor (internist) several times a year and the PA ALWAYS checks my blood pressure along with weight and pulse. Sometimes the doctor will double check the PA.

03-12-2008, 08:53 AM
I am on meds for BP. Has been high for 20 years. Doc. has to change meds every 4 years or so. Everytime I go to doc's office, height, weight, temp, pluse, and bp are check by nurse. If everyt thing is within range, doc says nothing about them.

03-13-2008, 06:23 AM
most drug stores have a 'free' blood pressure check machine.

03-13-2008, 10:29 AM
I go to the VA and they never miss an opportunity to take my Blood Pressure. They put me on the Meds about 2 years ago. Not bad for 60 I guess.

I'm really sorry about your Husband Cookie, that's a shame and could have been so easily avoided.

I think Doctors should be doing this all the time, but please, let's not get the Government involved; they are already up our A**es so much, and everything they get involved in, just gets worse.

If your Doctor isn't doing his job, fire him and get one that is. Or you can hide your head in the sand and say nothing can happen to me, like so many of us Men do.


Ian Gills
03-13-2008, 12:01 PM
And there was me thinking I was the only one on this site with high blood pressure.

We all bloody have it!

Terry Love's Personal Plumbing advice forum, more like.

It's a shame they do not make a PRV for humans. Or a thermal expansion tank. I could sure use one.

03-14-2008, 05:34 AM
Hube, the supermarkets machines are becoming a thing of the past. I think it was the Mayo Clinic who decided they were unreliable and the cause of having the machines removed. I have a girlfriend who is a pharmacist and that is what I was told.


Which this is really unfortunate because sometimes, anything is better than nothing. Right?

03-14-2008, 06:03 AM
Consider this: I go to the VA. After arriving and having just driven through some of the most Road Rage causing streets in the Universe, I go in, quickly get to see the Nurse who takes my Blood Pressure. It's 175/85. She says, ok, lets get your temperature and I'll ask you a few questions. At which time she takes my BP again. Now it's lower, not low enough so we go to more questions, she does a little computer work then takes it again. By now my veins have subsided back under my skin and she gets a satisfactory reading. Their new standards are now 139/89. So I slide under those numbers and now everything is fine.

Go figure.

03-14-2008, 06:46 AM
Yes I do, sometimes. I have one of the wrist rockets that were said earlier not to be too accurate. My Wife used to be a Nurse and has the old fashioned type that she uses on me from time to time.

I am a believer that if you don't have a history of family heart problems, you may be taken another way, so I don't put a lot of effort into checking my BP. It goes up and down (I suppose most people's do as they exercise in one way or another) so I don't know what a good reading really is. Apparently the VA isn't worried that mine is high when I arrive but sitting still for a while makes it go down. I'm very active and suppose mine is high all the time.


03-15-2008, 07:42 AM
I am curious to know how often when you go to the doctors he checks your blood pressure. I am going to explain why I am asking this and why it is so important people respond. Three 3 years ago, my husband, died from high blood pressure. He was thin, tall, and seemingly in good health. He only had a chronic eye problem and visited the doctor for it. He did not monitior his blood pressure. He weighed him, took his height, and his temp on each visit. He was 49 when he died, from undiagnosed high blood pressure which caused him to have a fatal, sudden heart attack. He was the love of my life. I am seeking to enact a bill, called Tim's Law. It would mandate the physicians to take a blood pressure reading at every visit. I need to know as much as I can how often this happens, and I thank you so much in advance for your participation.

I am sorry for your loss, but I am totally against you forcing another law down our throats because you suffered from an isolated incident.

You don't mention what kind of doctor your husband saw. I am 48 and I don't ever recall seeing a doctor, dentists and optometrists excluded, without getting my BP checked. In fact, I do not believe that any primary wouldn't check the BP. Your issue is with YOUR doctor. Do all you want to make her pay for what she didn't do, but leave my doctors alone1

This is like blaming all mechanics because your mechanic didn't check the motor oil when she replaced the rear-end and then the engine seized up. Then forcing every mechanic, by LAW, to check the oil even if they're just changing your wipers.

Look, if anything, this is a learning experience for us all, that we need to keep track of our bodies to keep them functioning properly. We cannot always trust others to look out for us. Thank you for the reminder, it has been a year since I got a check-up.

03-15-2008, 08:16 AM
You are entitled to your opinion. I have done my homework and what happened to my husband, happens so much more than you can imagine. I haven't yet put it into percentages but, I have been working on it. The GP's office are prominent physicians, who due to various reasons did not monitor my husband's BP. Now, you can blame it on my husband if you want, but remember he wasn't a doctor. You may not like laws but without them it would be chaos. *Once a year is not enough and you are welcome.

03-15-2008, 09:35 AM
I guess I am one of the few posting on this thred that does not have high BP.
At 50 plus it has been in the normal range since I first started checking
regulary.My father passed at the early age of 55,high BP,high colesterol,
stress lead up to heart attack.So I have watched all that and more since
my 20s,I feel fortunet to be in good health,except for the little achs and
pains we all suffer from as we get older.:D

Cookie,God bless


Dunbar Plumbing
03-15-2008, 04:20 PM
When I try to make a bowel movement my blood pressure goes up to 230 over 184. I dated a nurse at one time and thought it would be neat to see how much going to the bathroom causes temporary high blood pressure.

My head usually thumps for a minute following my heartbeat. I lose hearing in my left ear along with heavy shadowing in my eyesight but always goes away.

Anytime I get checked, it's always slightly elevated and most times blamed for general anxiety when having to go to the doctor's office.

I would say there's a necessity for checking the blood pressure when the patient is being seen for anything relative to a side effect in the focus of the heart.

If there isn't a direct correlation or non-relative to the situation, it's going to be quite difficult to create this safehold, even though it is a good one, but a costly one at that. <<<<<That's how the government looks at that.

The equipment
The training of staff
Time added to routine of service
Finding qualified help to do the task

The human body thankfully can operate with numerous problems and function. I could not hold my mechanic responsible for tire problems resulting from incorrect tire pressure, when knowing I myself should be checking it myself. It's an understanding.

Yes, we are not doctors and the doctor when they see you goes solely off symptoms and "why you are here". IF it is just in context of a checkup, of course, it's par for the course as a general checkoff list that picks up potential problems that might directly or indirectly cause an initial problem or one soon to come.

When I hear of those with heart conditions, all of them state they never took aspirin. Now, we all know that minimal doses of this product is life saving......it's general public knowledge and has been that way for years.

Doctors or other health related industries might object to this additional procedure for fear of obligation, disclosure and subjective hardship as the warning signs of high blood pressure would delay/cancel soon to come operations, surgeries or blood testing. It's encompasses a large thought process in many ways that probably has a slim chance of moving forward, but certainly worth the effort.

I did work for a RN and a OBYGN, husband and wife both work at the same hospital. The husband told me what to expect in the next 10-12 years.

Given the level of difficulty in regards to study to become a doctor, the massive debt that accompanies the schooling, the political atmosphere that is so commonly found within the walls of medical establishments....

The "why bother" attitude is coming due to malpractice insurance, the ability to step around the hands on situation because the effort plus the investment doesn't equate to the compensation and the massive responsibility.

Kind of like being on the front lines, the guys in the tanks are safer than the guys in boots on the ground. The carrot on the string isn't as glamorous as one might think, having to be held personally responsible from the birth to age 19 *stated by the obygn*.

Who wants that responsibility? Who wants 70-100 hours of week, always on call because your level of knowledge is important, your referral and recommendation needed at all hours of the day and night.

No one holds still for the doctor's personal time.

Personally, there's no way I'd want their job. For some they have to make $700,000 to a millon a year; They're time at home is usually sleeping, their time with family is usually on vacations, that's it for the most of them.

Tough, it's tough. You always have to be able to be contacted... you are always being corralled and disciplined by what the insurance companies state that YOU are charging. It's not up to you to decide.

The fellow and his nice wife, it was an interesting conversation last night.

03-15-2008, 05:43 PM
You may want to check with your HMO (If you have one). If this doctor was in private practice, then this suggestion is probably pointless, but if he was part of a bigger physicians group, Id be interested to see if they have any kind of policy on this; especially in this era of frequent malpractice suits. Ive been a 911 paramedic for almost 6 years, and our county, and my company, make it mandatory that a patients BP is checked initially, and routinely thereafter throughout treatment. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem if they made it a law that BP must be checked on every doctors visit. I mean alot of things are mandatory when you go the doctor. It is mandatory to park your car in the parking lot and not just leave it running in the street. Its mandatory you register with the receptionist when you first arrive, but you don't see people throwing a fit about those things. So they shouldn't throw a fit for having their "VITAL SIGNS" checked. Some people hate change, and others just hate the idea of government having a say in anything more than they already do, so they are going to put up a fight against anything.
In regards to your husband, I am very sorry about what happened. Yes, he could've asked to have his BP checked, but when people are healthy, they don't think there is a problem or a need for it. Ignorance is bliss, as the saying goes. But medical professionals can't claim ignorance, especially in this era. One thing Ive learned being in the medical field as long as I have, is that genetics plays a MAJOR role in medical problems that we develop. Yes, staying in shape and eating right can definitely help, but at the same time, you could be in perfect shape and workout daily, but if you have a family hx of heart attacks despite being young and healthy, it could very well happen to you also. As Im sure u already are, stay on your kids about eating healthy and staying in shape. They need to do everything they can to handle the factors they CAN control. Best of luck. Keith

03-15-2008, 07:20 PM
Rugged, I think you should had married that girl, lol.
Now, you do know, I know you know, that BP is really dangerous.
Plus, the headache, Rugged.
The eye problem could be Hypertensive retinopathy. I don't think God needs a good plumber yet, so, go get that checked out.


Dunbar Plumbing
03-15-2008, 11:43 PM
Rugged, I think you should had married that girl, lol.
Now, you do know, I know you know, that BP is really dangerous.
Plus, the headache, Rugged.
The eye problem could be Hypertensive retinopathy. I don't think God needs a good plumber yet, so, go get that checked out.


Hey! I've been ****ing like that for years! If it hasn't killed me yet, nothing will!

I would of killed her if we would of stayed together, I'd be in prison and my health care provider *prison system* would of not met my needs, including regular blood pressure checks.

I am of the belief that from the day we are born to the day we die, it's all part of the master plan, no matter how well we eat, what lifestyle we choose, what we do for a living that affects our everyday life.

Otherwise there would be an explanation why children who are so innocent, didn't harm a soul leave this earth so early some times, and then some grow to be the worst human imaginable, leach off the system and live with almost indestructible health.

There's reasons (teachings) in all of these occurrences whether we agree with them or not.

It makes up the clientell "up there" along with those "down here". Of course, I'm talking out of my *** right now but I have a good feeling that I'm close to that relative thinking. Real close.

Gotta go; Billy Mays trying to sell me some fix it in a squeeze bottle. This guy won't quit!!!!!:mad:

03-16-2008, 12:09 AM
Well, I figured since she was good enough to take your BP while on the toilet, there had to be love there Rugged.

Dunbar Plumbing
03-16-2008, 02:45 PM
Eh, we wasn't doing the check while I was on the can, just enacted the event by heavy grunting to see how high I could get it. She ended up marrying our accountant. :eek: That's A-okay though, her chest bumps were like socks with gravel in them 4026, Dr. Phil hung the phone up when I told him how bad it was.

Anyway, she's a good person but we both excelled tremendously when we departed, I became a master plumber with a business, 2 businesses now and she became a RN and now a D.O.N. of a well known hospital serving 3 locations.

I was the risk and invest, she was the save and spend; those two don't mesh at all when it comes to building personal wealth. Her and I was 19 and 21 buying real estate/rental properties and people were impressed how we had such a great start at such a young age.............BUT

started on a poorly built foundation and that's what ended the show.

It was a learning experience and I've gained a ton of knowledge from the aspect of knowing many facets of home construction, just not plumbing. I'm about to buy some commercial property that will allow me to understand what I was self taught in my early 20's to do or not do.

Dating for me is off limits right now; all that would do is slow me down and I don't have time for it. Find out more on the next montel williams show...

My eyesight is damaged from my experience with arc and mig welding without proper lenses, not dark enough and striking arcs without any protection to show where I was trying to weld.

They didn't have the luxury items back then with instant strike arc darkening helmets and the like. :mad:

Russell Guillette
03-18-2008, 09:19 AM
I am curious to know how often when you go to the doctors he checks your blood pressure. I am going to explain why I am asking this and why it is so important people respond. Three 3 years ago, my husband, died from high blood pressure. He was thin, tall, and seemingly in good health. He only had a chronic eye problem and visited the doctor for it. He did not monitior his blood pressure. He weighed him, took his height, and his temp on each visit. He was 49 when he died, from undiagnosed high blood pressure which caused him to have a fatal, sudden heart attack. He was the love of my life. I am seeking to enact a bill, called Tim's Law. It would mandate the physicians to take a blood pressure reading at every visit. I need to know as much as I can how often this happens, and I thank you so much in advance for your participation.

Most heart attacks are in our genes .I have always had low blood pressure 110/65 and I had a heart attack.Doctors can only treat about 25 % of the problem.Not only get a bp test every time you go to the doctor Get a lipid test.

Dunbar Plumbing
03-18-2008, 02:42 PM
Great. I'm f'n screwed again! 4059

I was just told my triglycerides was 1700 when it should be 150. I'm screwed.

03-25-2008, 07:16 PM
... he ordered a chemical stress test.

Do you know what that is? In my own opinion, using a chemical to stress the heart is insane!

A few weeks after my heart attack several years ago, the doc wanted me to do a stress test. He had already done some kind of ultrasound or whatever and said there were no visible signs of any damage. He gave me the "choice" of a regular, treadmill-type stress test or the lay-on-your-back-and-hope-to-not-die chemical version ... but of course, they have some kind of antidote needle somewhere nearby!

I did the treadmill deal, but only after the doc clearly understood and agreed I was only going to go for the very minimum required to get whatever kind of info he wanted.

After a couple of great chili-dogs for dinner had nearly killed me, I was all done with abusing my heart, and especially with could-easily-stop-it chemicals.

03-26-2008, 04:03 PM
Lee, when you said you went for the minimum did you do the chemicals? If you did, was it hard to do? I mean how did you feel? I hate being sick. It interferes with my shopping. ( send all shoes to in care of Terry, LOL)

No, I did not do the chemicals. I did the treadmill, and the doc understood up front that I might quit in a heartbeat :rolleyes: at any moment *I* might decide it was time for me to quit. He wanted the test, not me, and I was not about to hurt myself in any way -- I have a bunch of arthritis -- just to satisfy his curiosity. With chemicals, stopping at will would not have been possible. I do not know what after-effects the chemicals might have produced.

03-28-2008, 01:23 AM
12 lead ekgs can be a bit tempermental. Even slight changes in placement of the leads can alter the reading a little bit, so a ekg done by two different practioners could come back a bit different. Id have another one done, and see how it looks. And Im still not completely sold on the practitioners statement that you weren't relaxed enough. Yes, movement can cause alot of artifact and prevent a reading, but never once have I had trouble getting a ekg reading because a patient "wasn't relaxed enough", even in a moving ambulance. Typically it is caused by the patient talking, or knowingly moving about.

Im not a big fan of chemical stress tests. The last time I checked, they use Adenosine as the chemical, which is the same medicine we give to slow down peoples hearts that are beating way too fast. In essence, it briefly interrupts the electricity in the heart, with the hopes that the hearts normal electrical conduction will take over and restore a normal heart rate. Alot of healthy patients hardly even feel anything awkward from the medication, but Ive seen some that become extremely short of breath, pale as a ghost, and have a look of death in their face for a few seconds. The medication is often successful, but it can still be a little nerve racking at times for those of us in the medical field lol. If you can handle a standard treadmill stress test, Id vote for that instead. Im not a doctor, just a paramedic, so obviously dont take my opinion as fact, but those are my two cents.

03-28-2008, 12:59 PM
My last visit to my chiropractor (http://www.psbl.com/hoeller/), she told me about this story.

A new study by researchers at the University of Chicago shows lower blood pressure is a result of the specific adjustment McCallum received. The study, published in the May issue of Journal of Human Hypertension, shows the adjustment, which realigns the atlas, or C-1, vertebra, "is associated with marked and sustained reduction in blood pressure similar to the use of two-drug combination therapy."


03-29-2008, 10:58 PM
If I die naturally I will go in my sleep somehow, have a heart attack while I'm awake, or give in to a lung problem. I hope for a death in my sleep somehow or a heart attack. Hope is powerful.

03-30-2008, 05:03 AM
More kids at risk for hypertension
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/ver/256.0/popup/index.php?cl=7173553 (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/ver/256.0/popup/index.php?cl=7173553)

Medical guidelines now recommend that all children have their blood pressure checked on each visit, on children over the age of 3.

High Blood Pressure Often Missed in Kids

It's not something most parents think about when it comes to their children's health — high blood pressure (or hypertension) seems like a condition that affects only adults. Although it is far more common among grownups, high blood pressure is on the rise among kids as the childhood obesity epidemic grows. And, according to a new study, hypertension is a serious problem that's often undiagnosed in kids.
Looking at the blood pressure levels of more than 14,000 children and teens (from ages 3 to 18), researchers discovered that nearly three quarters of the 500-plus kids who had hypertension hadn't been diagnosed with high blood pressure in any of their three previous routine checkups.
Kids with high blood pressure often don't have any symptoms at all, so the condition can be tough to catch. Diagnosing hypertension is also "complicated because normal and abnormal blood pressure values vary with age, sex, and height, and are therefore difficult to remember," says the study.
That's why it's crucial for doctors — and parents — to keep track of kids' blood pressure levels as they grow and address any abnormalities.

A routine checkup is annually! To spell it out these kids have gone 3 years without being diagnosed.

04-02-2008, 02:31 PM
Here is the video from ABS News on
Hypertension: Pain in the Neck


04-05-2008, 03:17 AM
Cookie, you don't know me. I've posted to the toilets forum, but only lurk here. It's my opinion that any doctor who won't take the time to discuss your health with you in a calm and respectful manner isn't someone who you want taking care of you. Almost anything can be put into simplified layman's terms if the doctor is just willing to take a few moments extra. I think it's time to find a different doctor. If there are issues with your insurance specifying who you are to see, talk to them and explain the situation. It's likely they'll work with you.


04-05-2008, 06:48 AM
He may be dumb, but more likely he just thinks you're dumb. Unfortunately a lot of doctors seem to think they're supreme beings, and it upsets them when people don't respond the way they think they ought to. The sad nature of most people is that they go to the doctor, say yes sir (ma'am), no sir, and just do what they're told. Some doctors don't want their patients to question or think. They take it as a challenge to their authority, and as a personal affront. I won't put up with a doctor who acts that way.

As for the issue of falsification of records, you may be right but proving it would be near impossible. Unfortunately the best thing is probably to just walk away.

As far as the quality of doctors go, someone once told me to keep in mind that of every batch of doctors who are produced, one of them graduated at the bottom of his class. You just never know.

04-05-2008, 02:03 PM
I would definitely try to get away from that doctor. Not only does he appear lazy, but he also seems incredibly demeaning towards you. One of the things that all medical professionals are taught is that they should listen to their patient. "Treat the patient, not the monitor" is the popular mantra. Afterall, the patient knows their own body better than anyone else.

That does indeed sound like he is falsifying documents. If I got caught doing that same thing at work, I could be terminated. The problem is, in a court of law, it would be your word against his. And jurys/judges tend to give the benefit of the doubt to professionals such as police officers and MDs, unless you are able to show a crediblity issue. If you could get other patients involved who are concerned about the same problem, you will probably have better luck.

04-05-2008, 04:01 PM
A debate it was.

04-05-2008, 05:17 PM
There you go Cookie. The only time someone else truly controls you is when you allow them to. It sounds like you pulled the chair out from under him. :D

04-07-2008, 10:22 AM
Well, some of those things are listed on most clinics sign-in forms, with the general idea being "if you don't check it, you must not have it"....as for the rest of what he checked off, he seems like he pencil-whipped off notes to arrive at the most convenient solution. the guy seems to be condescending, rude, and careless...run away...run FAR away...or sue:D

04-09-2008, 02:40 PM
I have a case if I want regarding my husband, I saw a lawyer last week. He will take it ...
I am at the very least going to get Tim's law in affect ...

Do you know much about lawyers?

First, "You have a case if you want it" simply means you can file a suit if you want to. Saying "You have a case if you want it" does not in any way imply the lawyer believes you have even the slightest chance of winning.

Next, lawyers are there simply to be sure none of your rights are overlooked or violated so the court only has to go through the entire process once. This might be difficult to believe, but there are very, very few lawyers who ever actually try to "win". Again, most of them quite wittingly only act as agents serving the court. So, "He will take it" means nothing more than that he will take your money to be sure you exhaust all options and are left with no way to try again later if things do not turn out as you would like.

I do not say any of this to ridicule or to criticize you in any way, but simply to express my personal hope you are not making the mistake of believing your lawyer either has your best interest in mind or gives even one whit about the outcome of your suit.

Here is some further information you might consider:


04-09-2008, 05:24 PM
Now, this lawyer does not get paid unless, I win.

Are you sure?

Most contingency contracts stipulate that the client IS responsible for all costs involved with the suit. It is only the professional fee that is paid from the award.

The costs of a lawsuit can easily add up to thousands of dollars.

04-09-2008, 06:17 PM
Yes, absolutely. Without a doubt.

04-13-2008, 08:04 PM

To examine how commonly failure-to-diagnose or delayed diagnosis occurs, here is a list of conditions according to the number of people undiagnosed. This is an estimate of how many people unknowingly currently have the condition. For comparison, see conditions by people affected (prevalence or incidence), conditions by prevalence and conditions by incidence.

Condition Percent RateUS People Data

Hypertension (http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/h/hypertension/intro.htm)


(1 in 18 Rate)

(15 million US People)


04-17-2008, 05:46 AM
Starting a couple of years ago, the first thing I do after any medical encounter is stop by the records folks and ask for a copy of everything -- the Patient Information Form, test reports, raw data, consult notes, the works. Reading the consult notes is fascinating -- like Cookie, in some cases I wonder if they gave me someone else's file.

I'm not sure how you go about getting them corrected, but in some cases you should go on record in some way if you feel they're incorrect. One of my docs' notes, for example, said I "drink excessively". I'm not sure where he got that, but having that in my "official" medical record could hurt me when I applied for insurance, for example.

The politicians whine about insurance, but insurance isn't the problem -- it's the medical system itself. There's a relatively new profession now -- Patient Advocate -- someone who sits by your bed in the hospital and tracks your case. She makes sure you get appropriate care, it's properly charted, and will also check the bill to make sure you got everything you paid for. It seems sad to me that this fundamental function isn't built-in to the system.

04-17-2008, 08:12 AM
State law may make it easy, difficult, or impossible to get copies of your records. Somewhere I've got a copy of something a doctor's office gave me to justify NOT giving me my records, but I thought at the time it was bogus. I don't remember (gosh, I say that a lot these days) any instance where I haven't been able to get records I wanted. Most digital imagery is available on CD these days, and I usually get my own copy or am able to duplicate the original without any problems.

Keeping all the records yourself also makes it easier to pass on history to a new doc or specialist. If you send them the bundle before your appointment, some will actually read them and be better prepared to discuss your situation.

04-22-2008, 04:04 AM
I'm surprised the statute of limitations is so short. I think it's state law, so maybe PA is a good place to practice bad medicine. I'll ask my favorite attorney (who, by the way, now defends lawyers from disbarment actions) what she thinks.

04-22-2008, 04:06 AM
You are one tenacious lady...:D

04-22-2008, 07:13 AM
I gues it would depend on the charge, when it would start...if it was medical malpractice, it would probably start the date the malpractice last happened. Any charge related to your husbands death, would start the date of death. You may want to find out if the guy is liable to be charged with something like negligent homicide.

04-22-2008, 12:03 PM
Good luck Cookie..My mom, grandma, and aunt were all nurses....they'd be horrified at someone not taking BP.

04-22-2008, 06:03 PM
I got a feeling he didn't take his BP because he cut into how many people he could see at that given time ...

Possibly so, but that might not have been his own preference or choice. My daughter used to work in coding at the AMA, in Chicago, and she has told me a little about how at least some doctors are expected to "perform" (just like anybody else who has a job) by seeing a certain number of patients each hour. Working in that kind of "sweat shop" would not excuse reading someone's blood pressure incorrectly, but it could end up excusing him from not checking every patient he ever sees and shift the responsibility to his employer just like at the garage where one or more employees might never check tire pressure.

I do grieve with you over your loss, and it is blessing to hear your joyous memories.

04-29-2008, 05:57 AM
Angie's List is now rating health care.

09-29-2009, 02:15 AM
Hi Cookie,

Well,My answer is No Because doctors are not always taking the blood pressure in consideration.Blood pressure is main gate for all big and deadly problems.So I request to all doctors to check the periodically blood pressure of every patients.So many problems are arrived due to imbalance of blood pressure.


09-30-2009, 02:49 AM
So many problems are arrived due to imbalance of blood pressure.

What do you mean by "imbalance"? Fluctuations?

Ian Gills
09-30-2009, 07:53 AM
My blood pressure is still borderline, just below requiring drugs.

I guess I am just one of those people who runs a little "hot".

09-30-2009, 05:26 PM
If you subscribe to the American Heart Association magazine you can catch a column I write on heart disease.

Wow! I did not know we had such a celebrity among us!

I asked about fluctuation because my cardiologist questioned my Clonidine dosage and frequency and said something about it a couple of days ago. So, now I have to monitor throughout the day for a while and make any necessary adjustments. He suspects my high-low range is too great over 24 hours.

Oh, and you do know there is really no such thing as "heart disease", yes? That is just an ambiguous term used to cover any problem either directly or indirectly related to the heart. For example, and as I am sure you would know, an attack on the heart -- a so-called "heart attack" -- does not happen because there is something wrong with the heart. Rather, the heart is simply "attacked" by whatever actual problem is going on nearby. In my case 10 years ago, my healthy heart did exceptionally well and survived (along with me) in spite of a couple of clogged arteries that had stopped supplying it.

10-01-2009, 04:50 AM
Joseph, I hope you are doing better, sorry to hear about such problems.

Yes, I do understand the things you mentioned. I have learned alot since my husband's death about the heart. Celebrity, lol. I don't think so.

Take care.

11-01-2009, 08:40 AM
110 over 70 on Tuesday.

I've been taking a fish oil capsule and a multi vitamin in the morning.
And I've cut back on red meat, since last December.

Last December it was a lot higher, and I was told to change things.
Fish, I've been eating more fish.

I still drink wine.

And happy birthday for your late husbands birth day.
It's too bad he's not here to share it with you.
It sounds like he was quite the guy.

11-01-2009, 11:50 AM
That is a good BP reading, keep it there if possible. Watch those vitamins being on chemo. I feel it is my duty to tell you that, cause you are my friend. I wish my husband were here too, I really miss him. I thought about paying a housecall to the doctor today, I never once confronted him yet.

Terry, I know this first link is for breast cancer, but this really applies to all cancers.


http://www.cancermonthly.com/cancerwire/may2009.html (I have seen this doctor, Dr. Heaney) Personally, I would take no vitamins. Think of it in these terms, would you give aid to the enemy? Even after the chemo tx's are over, I would not take vitamins for 4 to 6 months for some chemos continue to work that long within the cell.

Just incase this link goes down, or the site moves, here is something people should know.
The question was - why did vitamin C reduce the chemotherapy drugs' effectiveness? Initially the researchers thought it was due to the antioxidant effects of vitamin C. Some types of chemotherapy drugs produce molecules called reactive oxygen species (ROS), which lead to cancer cell death. Vitamin C combats these molecules, helping the cancer cells remain intact even after chemotherapy treatment.

However, the researchers discovered that the primary mechanism actually lies in the energy-producing structures in cells called mitochondria. Chemotherapy drugs work, in part, by damaging the mitochondria, which triggers cancer cell death. Vitamin C protects mitochondria cells from this damage. "Vitamin C appears to protect the mitochondria from extensive damage, thus saving the cell," according to Dr. Heaney.

Although the researchers say their results need to be confirmed in future studies, they could affect the use of vitamin C in cancer patients receiving chemotherapy. They say their findings are directly applicable to treatment regimens, because the concentration of vitamin C used in the mice was similar to the concentration in patients who take vitamin C supplements.

Dr. Heaney says vitamin C is helpful for protecting healthy cells because it preserves the mitochondria. "But that isn't what you want when you are trying to eliminate cancer cells," he says. He suggests that cancer patients eat a healthy diet rich in vitamin C-rich foods, but he does not recommend taking large doses of vitamin C supplements.

11-02-2009, 06:36 PM
Can you explain what his chronic eye problem was?


11-02-2009, 06:46 PM
Yes. He was working in the field, as an engineer and he worked in various capacities on different things. One of them was revamping the presses on a large newpaper, he would be in the room when the presses was running and he thought maybe, it was from the newprint in the air, which was giving him an constant eye irritation problem. His eyes would be swollen, red and generally he was having to wear his glasses constantly, as his sight was diminishing. His eyes constantly was hurting him, he complained about his eyes and headaches.

The doctor put him on sodium drops. He constantly was at this doctor for this problem.

After his demise I learned it was from the hypertension. It was never the newsprint or the ink.

11-10-2009, 09:39 AM
My son had to go for jury duty. I get this call and he is saying, " mom, I can't do it." It was a case really similar to his dad's.

11-10-2009, 10:27 AM
I think he should explain that.
If he does start the trial and his feelings are swayed then it wouldn't be fair to the defendant or the prosecution depending.
Not to say he will want to but i had a co-worker that was on a murder trial and he said it affected him so much he had to have counseling.
Normally the first thing they ask you is can you be impartial if you feelings are one way or the other.

11-10-2009, 10:33 AM
Yep, all is right in what you said.

11-10-2009, 03:26 PM
My son was not picked after he disclosed he might not be able to be impartial due to the circumstances with the doctor with his own dad.

The cost for a day for him was pretty expensive. Gas, I put 10 bucks in last night to make sure he had enough. Parking was 24.00. Something to drink from the vending machine was 2.00, a sandwich from the vending machine was 6.00.

What he earned. Nine dollars for the day and 4 cents per mile.

We were kidding him telling him not to quit his day job.

11-11-2009, 01:03 PM
I'm glad to hear it, the stress isn't worth it.

The co-worker i mentioned was on jury for 3 months and also only recieved 9 dollars a day as well, but he was still getting paid by the company so he had to hand in the 9 dollars to the company.

11-12-2009, 09:03 AM
No getting rich there, lol.

The parking at 24 bucks kind of got me. The govn should have a shuttle to cheaper garages but I guess that would take some brain power.

I am so glad he wasn't picked Peter.

02-23-2010, 04:03 AM
High blood pressure in U.S. a 'neglected disease' By Julie Steenhuysen - Mon Feb 22, 11:47 AM PSTCHICAGO (Reuters) - High blood pressure is a "neglected disease" and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention must do more to fight it by helping Americans eat better and encouraging doctors to treat it more aggressively, an expert panel said on Monday.

What is Hypertension?

Internal medicine specialist Dr. Ingrid Chung (R) checks for blood pressure of a patient during a medical exam at her practice in Chantilly, Virginia, July 30, 2009. REUTERS/Hyungwon Kang
The report by the Institute of Medicine, one of the National Academies of Sciences, urges the CDC to promote policies that make it easier for people to be more physically active, cut calories and reduce their salt intake.

High blood pressure or hypertension is easily preventable through diet, exercise and drugs, yet it is the second-leading cause of death in the United States, said committee chair David Fleming, who directs Public Health for Seattle and King County in Washington.

"Hypertension as a disease is relatively easy to diagnose and it's inexpensive to treat," Fleming said in a telephone interview.

"Yet despite that, one in six deaths in the United States is due to hypertension, and it costs our healthcare system $73 billion each year in expenses.

"In that context, hypertension is really a neglected disease in this country. There's a huge gap between what we could do and what we are doing," he said.

Fleming said the CDC spends less than $50 million a year for a wide array of heart disease prevention programs that includes hypertension.

Simple steps like consuming less salt and increasing the intake of vegetables, fruit and lean protein could cut rates of high blood pressure by as much as 22 percent, according to the report by the Institute, which advises policymakers.

They cited a recent study that found reducing salt intake to 2,300 milligrams per day -- the current maximum recommended amount -- from 3,400 milligrams a day could cut U.S. health costs by about $17.8 billion each year.

Helping overweight and obese Americans each lose 10 pounds could cut rates of high blood pressure in the overall population by 7 to 8 percent, the group said.

And a program that gets inactive people to exercise could decrease the rate of high blood pressure by 4 percent to 6 percent.

Doctors typically use generic drugs such as beta blockers and ACE inhibitors to control blood pressure. Lowering blood pressure can cut the risk of stroke, heart attack, heart failure and other conditions.


According to the report, 86 percent of people with uncontrolled high blood pressure have insurance and see their doctors regularly. But Fleming said doctors often fail to follow guidelines, which is why many patients do not know they have the condition and are not taking steps to control it.

The group called for the CDC to research the reasons doctors fail to treat high blood pressure, and consider making blood pressure treatment a quality measure in any accreditation program.

The group also asked the CDC to urge the federal Medicare and Medicaid programs and private insurers to reduce out-of-pocket deductibles and co-payments for blood pressure drugs, and to work with the drug industry to simplify the process for patients to get reduced-cost or free drugs.

About half a billion people worldwide have hypertension.

Risk factors include obesity, a sedentary lifestyle and smoking. Chronic illnesses such as diabetes, kidney disease and high cholesterol also can raise one's risk.

06-17-2010, 02:52 AM
I have low blood pressure all the time...

06-17-2010, 05:14 AM
Do that cause trouble for you? My mother-in-law is 88, and her morning BP is low and that occasionally makes waking up and moving around a little more difficult than usual for her.

Ian Gills
06-17-2010, 12:51 PM
Low BP can be as bad as high.

My father-in-law can no longer drive because he kept passing out.

06-17-2010, 01:38 PM
110 over 70 on Tuesday.

I've been taking a fish oil capsule and a multi vitamin in the morning.
And I've cut back on red meat, since last December.

Fish, I've been eating more fish.

I still drink wine.

You sound like me, although I suspect you're a lot younger than 70. I became much more interested in health issues since I was diagnosed with prostate cancer a while back. My treatment regimen took 8 weeks of 1 30-minute treatment per day, so I had lots of time to spend reading about prostate cancer specifically, and lots of other health issues and literature in general.

Recently I've been interested in some of the wacko diet literature, and found one book, "The China Study", that actually makes some sense. It's an argument by a credible scientist against the Western diet, advocating no animal protein, among other things. I found this shortly after a Vegan niece visited for a couple of weeks. She made a deal that she would cook if I'd eat it, so I was a Vegan for a short time. I was surprised to see that I felt significantly better after a few days of it. She's gone now, and although I've fallen off the Vegan wagon, like you I eat very little red meat and continue to try to adopt a vegetarian lifestyle.

There's a more extreme philosophy that says your veggies should be eaten raw, since critical enzymes are destroyed at 115, eliminating their effectiveness in fighting disease and promoting self-help. All in all, I'm surprised to find I think these folks may have something worth looking into.

06-17-2010, 06:01 PM
Everytime. Usually when I get the results, I ask if I should be checking burial plans, because there does not seem to be enough there, but they say it is perfect.