View Full Version : Toto Gmax vs Double Cyclone & White Color Match with Kohler Bathtub

03-04-2008, 01:43 PM
I just got done reading all the forum posts about Toto toilets on your website. Thanks for providing all this information and feedback from others. It is a great help as I am about to replace two toilets (and I have two teenage boys who are very hard on the toilet!). I was also told about the Kohler Cimarron as well as the Toto Drake and after reading your website it is clear that the Toto Drake is the way to go. I have three questions, first I would like your opinion between the Drake and the Soiree models (Gmax vs Double Cyclone), second does the Drake come with with the Sanagloss finish, and third, a question I did not see anyone else ask.....I have selected a Kohler Devonshire soaking tub in the white color. Will Kohler's white finish match the cotton white on a Toto product? I was told that if you choose different manufacturer's for tub/toilet that the "white" color may not match exactly. Thanks for your help.

03-04-2008, 02:11 PM
The Drake comes in a Sanagloss model, CST744SG-01
The Soiree comes with Sanagloss, and have a better rinse.
The Kohler white and the Cotton white, are a little different.
The Kohler White is the darker of the two.

03-04-2008, 02:48 PM
What about the Gmax (Drake) vs the Double Cyclone (Soiree) technology? Is there a big difference? I was told the Soiree was Gmax with the addition of the double cyclone, is this accurate?

(Pretty much from what I can see, Terry)

Will Toto white (toilet) look ok with the Kohler white (bathtub)?

(Should be fine, I sell a lot of Toto Cotton to go with Kohler, it's very close)


03-05-2008, 06:07 AM
ANYTIME you mix materials; acrylic, china, cast iron, their colors will vary even within the same manufacturer. Cast iron being darker than china, a white bath tub will be darker than a china sink or toilet, so mixing the two manufacturers will probably result in a variation of shade, but since the plane of a surface also affects the color, I doubt that you would notice it to any great extent, if at all.

03-25-2008, 06:04 AM
We also have a family member who is notorious for clogging toilets worldwide. Could any please tell me what are the MAP ratings for the Soiree and/or Guievere? I couldn't find them on the chart. When I called Toto's technical support they said that they don't share their grams information and that I would need to get it from an outside source. My local plumbing supply which is a Gold Toto dealer sugested that I use Toto's in 2 of the 3 baths and the Gerber Ultraflush (http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28088)for where this person will be doing their business.

03-25-2008, 09:19 AM
If you have a world class pluger, than put in a Caroma toilet.
They are a bit splashy, but the trapway is large.

The pressure assist still has a 2" trapway, the Caroma is 3" or larger
I know that Caroma says 4", but it is oblong as it goes up.