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hartlbb
02-12-2008, 08:42 PM
Hi there,

I am a very frustrated do it yourselfer. I have completed almost all of my bathroom remodel. I completely gutted the bathroom, put in the drywall, did some plumbing, tile, paint, etc. I then made the HUGE mistake of not checking to see if the valves are interchangeable prior to putting the drywall on. So, right this second I have the "rough end" of my old buthtub valve sticking through my new tub surround and I have thrown out the old handle/plate used to open/close the valve. Is there anyway that I can put a new handle on it without knowing the brand? Or, could I just open the hole a little bit and put in a new valve from a new fixture set for the bathtub? I am so close to being done with this remodel and just want to get this done. Any help is appreciated! I could also take a picture and upload it somewhere.

krow
02-12-2008, 08:59 PM
You could try trial and error process. (It could get costly)

You may be able to find universal handles and plates to fit (not recommended. That looks crappy)

You might think about replacing the entire control using a "renovation plate". Moen makes one and Delta makes one for their single handle tub and shower valves. The renovation plate will cover the hole that you will be making to replace the old valves . (Its a little bit of work involved. Estimated time for entire procedure 3-4 hours)

jimbo
02-13-2008, 06:41 AM
You need to have a big enough hole in the fibreglass to change parts when needed. If it is a single control, something about 5" diam is appropriate. Post a picture and we might recognize the brand. Otherwise, take the "innards" out and take to a plumbing supply for ID. Hope it is a common brand that parts are still available!

hartlbb
02-13-2008, 08:13 AM
Picture below. The guy @ Lowes had instructed me that I would have to tear another hole in my wall. Really don't want to do that.

http://www27.brinkster.com/hartmoon/bathtub_valve.jpg

You can also see the pic by going here: http://www27.brinkster.com/hartmoon/bathtub_valve.jpg

hartlbb
02-13-2008, 04:22 PM
Any other suggestions?

krow
02-13-2008, 06:47 PM
Any other suggestions? I don't see the pic


I'm not sure what sort of answer your looking for. Those are your only options, unless you find the make and name of the existing valve

hj
02-14-2008, 05:00 AM
If you give us a good access to the pictures we can probably tell you whose trim to purchase. Without a picture it is impossible to do so.

hartlbb
02-14-2008, 09:09 AM
THis should work:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg194/hartlbb/bathtub_valve.jpg

monkey2
02-14-2008, 09:26 AM
Can you open the wall behind the valve? Sometimes Plumbers in your area have "squirreled" old valve parts .. for us .. like you..

I'm a newbie, can't figure how to post, but I have an old crane shower valve '66 vintage that needs repair, how to dissable .. etc . cold ok but only lukewarm hot now.

How to post pic..

Monkey2





Hi there,

I am a very frustrated do it yourselfer. I have completed almost all of my bathroom remodel. I completely gutted the bathroom, put in the drywall, did some plumbing, tile, paint, etc. I then made the HUGE mistake of not checking to see if the valves are interchangeable prior to putting the drywall on. So, right this second I have the "rough end" of my old buthtub valve sticking through my new tub surround and I have thrown out the old handle/plate used to open/close the valve. Is there anyway that I can put a new handle on it without knowing the brand? Or, could I just open the hole a little bit and put in a new valve from a new fixture set for the bathtub? I am so close to being done with this remodel and just want to get this done. Any help is appreciated! I could also take a picture and upload it somewhere.

hartlbb
02-14-2008, 09:29 AM
I can but it's going to be difficult. Where the tub sits, the adjacent wall is where the lazy susan is in my kitchen. It's a messy situation. To add a pic use the img tags:

<!--htt://yourdomainlink to your picture-->

You can use photobucket or something to display the pic.

jadnashua
02-14-2008, 09:32 AM
No trim that I've seen will work on that valve as it is currently positioned - it is sitting too far outside of the finished wall.

monkey2
02-14-2008, 09:36 AM
The mixer valve about '1966 vintage. the cold water good flow, hot water now only lukewarm.. how does this valve disassemble? if I can get it apart maybe can modify to fix?

I'm guessing parts are not available?

hartlbb
02-14-2008, 09:36 AM
Crap! Man, I need help on this one. We have a kid due in less than a week and no where to bathe the poor boy! (except maybe the kitchen sink).

hartlbb
02-14-2008, 11:36 AM
jadnashua - You say no fitting could work with that. So if the valve comes out that far, is the issue really around where the copper sits behind the wall? Is the copper too close to the wall?

jadnashua
02-14-2008, 02:43 PM
All valves have a specified projection through the finished wall so that the trim can fit and tighten up against the wall. My guess is that on yours, the flange with the screws is probably supposed to be even with the finished wall, or even recessed some. WIthout seeing the actual trim, it's hard to say (for me at least). A plumber might be able to remove that valve and install a new one at the proper depth. They make repair plates for the wall that are bigger (then, usually, the one that comes with the valve fits on that). A new valve with anti-scald in it with a new kid coming is probably a good idea, too. If you don't want to make the hole bigger, you'll probably have to go in from behind, and that might be more work.

krow
02-14-2008, 04:35 PM
These are the 2 things you are going to need to replace that valve. The plate is about 13" wide to cover the holes and the moen 3170 trim fits over that. As I said in an ealier post, Delta makes one too

hj
02-14-2008, 08:02 PM
You were too close and at the wrong angle when you took the picture, but it looks like a Price Pfister pressure balanced valve, but it is 14 years old I don't think they made it back then.

hartlbb
02-14-2008, 09:45 PM
OK, I think I found it:

http://pricepfister.com/website/documents/Products/PRD_8art_15276_ex-0x8-02.pdf

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg194/hartlbb/valve.jpg

hj
02-15-2008, 05:39 AM
That old Crane tub valve is probably a Moen unit, from the little bit visible in the picture.

jadnashua
02-15-2008, 06:17 AM
The threaded holes on either side of the valve body are used to hold the plate on. They must be no closer than flush with the finished wall, and normally would be recessed some as most people don't like the guts hanging out that far. Until you can do that, you won't have a viable solution.

hartlbb
02-15-2008, 09:10 AM
I see what you're saying. Do you think I could by some kind of flange to cover it?