View Full Version : Are waxless rings ok?
I took one out of the box at Home Depot...had two thin rubber sealing fins and an in-set seal for the bottom of the toilet..it felt like it would fit very well as i test fit it into PVC..didn't put it all the way in..didn't think id get it out easily...seems like a very clean alternative..Any opinions about waxless?..I'm going to install a new toilet in my new upstairs bathroom next week..Dare I trust it to waxless?...Don
Plumber2000
04-04-2005, 04:57 PM
Do wax only, you will sleep better at night if you do.
master plumber mark
04-04-2005, 05:10 PM
fools use the new stuff that calims to be as good as wax
it aint, and you will regret it.
if something claims that it is just as good as wax,
why not just use the wax and be sure you did a good job???
you arent talking a fortune here. 1 buck??
Thanks!!!..I really felt that good old wax was the way to go...I bought a Gunk (Kant Leak) wax ring with the poly insert funnel thing in it..Don
Terry
04-04-2005, 05:31 PM
http://www.terrylove.com/images/fluidmaster_on_carpet.jpg
Fluidmaster
The two I've seen are the Fluidmaster and the Fernco.
I don't see a problem with them.
http://www.terrylove.com/images/fluidmaster_on_toilet.jpg
Just push the Fluidmaster onto the bottom of the toilet,
and then drop into the flange.
Plumber2000
04-04-2005, 05:38 PM
Terry,
I don't think there code approved. Correct if I'm wrong.
Man!! that's far more industrial looking than the waxless i was looking at...I like it!!..could you tease us with some titanium toilet flange pics?...Don
master plumber mark
04-04-2005, 06:27 PM
hey, they look great and maybe they ought to be used on the next space shuttle....
but will looks stand the test of time??
I am going to wait about 5 years to see whos crying the blues out there,
before I ever try these out.
Terry
04-04-2005, 06:47 PM
I've been using them a couple of years now.
Most of the time, I'm using wax. I can use wax in more places and on more brands.
I would never use the "funnel" wax rings, especially on a second floor, but that is a personal opinion. The waxless ones are okay if you do as Terry says and put them on the toilet first, rather than follow the process listed with the product.
Really?...I want this to be trouble free for years..this Kant-Leak ring I have has that urethane sleeve(funnel thing)..do you find that it restricts waste flow? because it does appear to reduce the diameter of the opening..perhaps too much maybe?....have you found urethane sleeve type rings to be difficult to squish and conform so that the toilet is sitting all the way down on the floor in a non-wobble manner?...the price of rings is so insignificant..I want one that will never ever leak if it's out there...according to the tradititionalists..it's only 99 cents...Don
Nothing is "forever". By its nature a wax seal is a compressive seal without any "rebound", so once it is compressed, if the toilet moves away from that point there will be a gap between it and the toilet, and this is almost impossible to prevent unless the flange is well secured to the floor and the toilet sets on the floor perfectly, with no rocking at any time either before or after the bolts are tightened. This small gap is seldom a problem until you introduce the plastic funnel which creates splashing and then gets into the tiny gap and leaks out onto the floor.
hmmm..sounds like what you're saying is when the toilet is flushed..the downward rush of waste water in (free fall) as it leaves the toilet can splash against the funnel...and when water hits something, it's always going to be testing even the smallest gaps out to the side....Like a drop of water falling down next to you will never even try to get you wet..unless it hits ..like a deck rail or limb next to you...is that the point?...Don