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Terry
09-27-2007, 11:52 AM
http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/toto_eco_drake_box.jpg

I now have the new WaterSense HET Eco Drake by TOTO in the Seattle area
They use 1.28 GPF to flush.
E-Max Flushing System (1.28GPF / 4.8 LPF)</U>
They come in Cotton White in
Regular
Elongated
ADA height elongated
EcoDrake

Eco Drake in the Seattle and Los Angeles area (http://www.easycarts.net/ecarts/terrylove/WaterSense_Toilets.html)

Terry
09-27-2007, 03:29 PM
http://terrylove.com/images/ecodrake_insidetank.jpg

There is no reason to change tank design.
One thing that determines how well the water drops, is the height.
They did change the flush valve flapper to release less water.
They also have a new part number on the bowl.
I will be interested to see why they changed the bowl numbering and how it's changed.

There is a certain part of my business that is helping consumers buy green products.

I also have the one-piece Ultramax's in the E-Max flush.
http://www.terrylove.com/images/ecodrake_supply.jpg

Tank to bowl

http://www.terrylove.com/images/ecodrake_top.jpg
From the top

WaterSense HET

jadnashua
09-27-2007, 03:39 PM
WIth a high mounted tank (in the wall or high on it), you could probably get a good flush with even less water...as said, the height of the water is used to help generate the push.

http://www.terrylove.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6992&stc=1&d=1238449736
E-Max flapper THU277S

Mike50
09-27-2007, 06:49 PM
Good job Toto..

Vikingham
09-28-2007, 07:42 AM
I actually spoke to a toilet engineer at Eljer recently, and he said they keep the tanks the same size for two reasons: extra height to get more water pressure, and also that if they made the tanks just big enough, they'd look really funny (on our Drake, only about half the water in the tank actually gets used when you flush). And, as Terry noted, in this instance there's no need to redesign the tank anyway.

SamC
10-01-2007, 05:25 PM
Terry,

Have you figured out what's different about the bowl?

Peanut9199
10-02-2007, 05:13 AM
I can't see any physical difference from the normal bowl.
They are tested for more than 350 instead of the normal 250 map test.
I can see a new fill valve and the flapper has a extra float i'm sure to close the flapper even faster than the normal G-max flapper.
2971

calypsoe
10-02-2007, 08:10 AM
I have a home, built in 1979, with old 3 gpf toilets, went to the Depot, they suggested a Kohler Cimmaron. Didn't install it, so it sat in my garage, but one day needed a plumber for a gas leak. He saw the toilet and told me to return it and buy the Toto Drake. I just installed it and man I owe him a great deal of thanks, this is a great toilet!!





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I now have the new Eco Drake by TOTO in the Seattle area
They use 1.28 GPF to flush.
E-Max Flushing System (1.28GPF / 4.8 LPF)</U>
They come in Cotton White in
Regular
Elongated
ADA height elongated

[URL]http://www.easycarts.net/ecarts/terrylove/Toto_Toilets.html#CST744E (http://www.totousa.com/productpage.asp?PID=980#)

malpower
10-02-2007, 03:18 PM
Hi Terry!

I have been using your website in recent weeks to help me research and then go check out various toilets -- it's been a great help and I'm very happy I stumbled across it!

I'm ashamed to say that in the 27 years I've lived here I've not yet had any low flow toilets put into the house. So, while I am anxious for obvious water saving reasons to have low flow toilets put in, I also am considering the fact that I'll be selling my house in a year or two -- so, while I want to upgrade to a nice HET toilet, I don't want to buy anything too high in price, especially since I'm going to be having two new toilets put in. (I will wait until I move to my next house to put more money into something like the Ultramax ADA toilet -- for now we've got 3-1/2 inch risers, Toilevators, installed under the standard toilets).

Just today the plumbing guy at one of the local plumbing and building supply places told me that the Drake would be my best option and he said they were getting the new model CST744E #01 in a couple of days. What are the differences between this and the CST744S I was considering? I'm very new to the subject of toilets, but if the E stands for Eco, what exactly does that mean? Am I correct in thinking there's a lower amount of water used, and, if so, what will that mean, e.g., cleaning out the bowl?

The price is pretty good for the new Drake E model and I've heard that our local water district will be adding this toilet to their rebate list (up until now the only Toto they have given rebates on is the Aquia).

Any advice would be greatly appreciated as I'm somewhat confused! :confused: I'd love to order something in the next week and have my handyman install them sometime soon --- Oh, and a question for his benefit: are these fairly easy to install or is there anything tricky about them??

Thanks so much!

mike95060
10-05-2007, 07:04 PM
My Eco Drake is installed and since I can’t really compare it with anything (it replaced a 1951 American Standard model) I will just give my initial impressions.

It is an ADA height elongated and initially seems a little high. I think I might appreciate the height as I edge into my 70s and perhaps 80s. I got a non-Toto “regular” seat, not SoftClose, because I was told some people consider them more uncomfortable.

It has a reasonable amount of water in the bowl, is VERY quick flushing, and seems thorough. The tank refills very quickly. I consider the flush quiet. The plumber, who had installed Drakes but not Eco Drakes, had no issues.

At this point I can’t imagine what could be better.

malpower
10-06-2007, 11:57 AM
Hi Mike!

Thanks so much for the feedback! I'm still waiting for plumbing companies to get the toilets in around here so we can buy them -- and also for the water company to come out with a new list -- I gather the Drake Eco gets a rebate but there's none on the regular Drake. I was also told by a saleman in the store that the Drake Eco is dual flush -- is that true? I didn't think it was.

You must have bought the ADA model, yes? In my book, tall is good! :) I'm only 65 (only?) but my knees are shot, and with the riser we put under the current Kohler toilets in the house, they raise them about 3-1/2 inches and that is just fabulous -- almost like sitting in a chair at the table! I bet that one day you'll be grateful for the taller toilet!

I'm glad to hear the Drake Eco works well, you're happy with it, and there's no trick to installing it either. Thanks again.

Kerry

mike95060
10-06-2007, 02:20 PM
Hi Kerry,
I’ve only had it a few days so all I can say is so far so good. You’re right that the Eco Drake is not a dual flush.
It sounds like the salesman you talked to was a little sketchy on the facts if he told you it was a dual flush. You might check with other stores in your area. I am in Santa Cruz and I would imagine that stores in your area get the Eco Drake from the same supplier as Santa Cruz stores. They have been available here for over a month.
The Eco Drake is not listed yet for the highest rebate by my water company either.

malpower
10-06-2007, 02:50 PM
Hi again Mike!

San Jose seems to be waaay ahead of Marin County with the Drake Ecos! I've checked with most of the stores carrying toilets and some don't know about it, some that do say it's a special order (very expensive too), and the two stores that know the most haven't got the toilet in yet but "maybe soon"! All salesmen are sketchy about it at best! Both stores expecting it in some time tell me the Eco's going to be added to the water district's list and I heard today that would be at the beginning of the year, and one will be allowed to apply retroactively for rebates since the cut off deadline with the water company is 12/31/07 for rebates. Arrrrgh! Perhaps your water company will do the same.

Guess we'll take the plunge once we can find the toilets and get two of them. They sound good and I feel guilty now everytime I flush my old Kohlers! :D

waters96
10-25-2007, 09:52 AM
There is no reason to change tank design.
One thing that determines how well the water drops, is the height.
They did change the flush valve flapper to release less water.
They also have a new part number on the bowl.
I will be interested to see why they changed the bowl numbering and how it's changed.

There is a certain part of my business that is helping consumers buy green products.

I also have the one-piece Ultramax's in the E-Max flush.

So, what is your opinion about the quality of the EcoUltramax and the EcoDrake as it compares to the non-Eco versions.

robleggett
10-26-2007, 09:06 AM
Hello everyone, new to the site. I cant believe how much research involved in getting a new toilet today, glad I found this site.

I have narrowed my search to this toilet, but no one has a review or comments on how good it is. Can anyone that has this let me know how is working, thanks.

Oh, Im in Canada and checked out getting it, they said its brand new and they should have it in about 2 weeks, but they want $399 and I see it in Terry's store for about $220, can believe the difference in price.

SamC
11-05-2007, 12:06 PM
Is the water in the tank on the Eco Drake the same height as in the Drake; just curious if they had increased the head pressure?

CarlH
11-16-2007, 09:42 AM
Right after I ordered one of these, I found that CUWCC had the Eco Drake series tested. At first I was bit concerned after seeing the test results. There is a bit of a spread in the MaP testing results. I ordered the standard height elongated which tested at 600grams while the ADA height tested at 900grams. After a bit of thinking, I figured that I am probably OK with this. My biggest concerns are with clogging and not so much worried about whether or not an extra flush will be needed. My guess as to the difference is that the added height of the ADA model provides a bit more siphon action inside the trapway.

When my order arrives I will be able to get rid of the last of my 1994 era builder grade Briggs 1.5l units. These first gen low flushers were really bad. Puny water spot and way to easy to clog.

Link to the MaP test results, see the section on the 1.28l flush models:
http://www.cuwcc.org/toilet_fixtures/HET.pdf

Peanut9199
11-16-2007, 12:05 PM
Oh, Im in Canada and checked out getting it, they said its brand new and they should have it in about 2 weeks, but they want $399 and I see it in Terry's store for about $220, can believe the difference in price.

Which toilet are you looking at Drake Eco Regular , Elongated or ADA?

If it's round front you should be paying around $245.00 plus taxes
I'm in Ontario

hotsauce
11-17-2007, 07:03 AM
Hello everyone, new to the site. I cant believe how much research involved in getting a new toilet today, glad I found this site.

I have narrowed my search to this toilet, but no one has a review or comments on how good it is. Can anyone that has this let me know how is working, thanks.

Oh, Im in Canada and checked out getting it, they said its brand new and they should have it in about 2 weeks, but they want $399 and I see it in Terry's store for about $220, can believe the difference in price.

Hi Rob,

I agree with Peanut on the price. If you haven't ordered or bought the toilet yet, let me know. I can give you a place in Bolton to call.

jcg1545
11-27-2007, 01:19 PM
Hi guys
also looking for someone in Canada (Winnipeg) with decent prices
local price on a carlyle 1 pce in sedona beige is $766
tried ordering online to a us address a carlyle 1 pce but that was nothing but a headache (ongoing, waiting for refund)
background is ordered at $528 (sedona beige) and first toilet arrived with a strange mark in the glazing.
online retailer sent out another but it too had marks (2" band of "fish eyes" along the top edge and also a small spot on top of the bowl section)
now waiting for a return authorization for the second toilet.
so after multiple trips through customs to a parcel service I still don't have a toilet.
after researching here and on the net i thought toto was all about quality and I've been told by many this is very unusual but, I'm either the unluckiest guy or quality is slipping.

Lego
11-29-2007, 06:56 PM
I'm looking for one in Calgary.. found a non-Eco Drake model (ADA) for $401.

I believe all ADA models are elongated.

Terry should start a Canadian section for this stuff, might prove useful for others.

Terry
12-01-2007, 01:58 PM
Terry should start a Canadian section for this stuff, might prove useful for others.


With the Canadian dollar being worth more than the US dollar, I'm getting quite a few Canadians driving down and buying toilets from me.

KeithA
12-02-2007, 04:56 PM
I'm looking for one in Calgary.. found a non-Eco Drake model (ADA) for $401.
You're doing better than I am! Who did you check with? I'm waiting a call back on Monday from Bathrooms by Design as their catalog didn't even have the Eco-Drake, however, I'm not holding out any hope as the regular Drake was $550.

I have 4 toilets in my house to replace (from 13Lpf) and I cannot afford to pay "designer" prices for a HET toilet (I guess that's just the "It's Calgary - you must be doing well" tax in effect).

The American Standard Flo-Wise might be the only HET toilet to fit into my budget given the Toto pricing in Calgary and lack of other options!

KeithA
12-02-2007, 04:58 PM
Which toilet are you looking at Drake Eco Regular , Elongated or ADA?

If it's round front you should be paying around $245.00 plus taxes
I'm in Ontario
Is that wholesale or something? Calgary appears to be at least twice that price!

Sofa King
12-03-2007, 04:04 PM
With the Canadian dollar being worth more than the US dollar, I'm getting quite a few Canadians driving down and buying toilets from me

Huh? U know sumptin I don't, last time i checked the canook $ was about .90, used to be .73 for the longest time. If we stop being the worlds police it will over take the euro ;) We should look out for ourselves like our european neighbors, see no evil hear no evil blah blah blah

jadnashua
12-03-2007, 04:20 PM
Looked up today's rates, and they are exactly on par. In the summer, it was worth more than the US dollar by a fair amount, then dropped, but is back up. NH is getting lots of Canadians here shopping.

Sofa King
12-03-2007, 05:34 PM
Damn WTF :mad:, I'm moving to France with Johnny Depp, LOL...

Lego
12-05-2007, 08:26 AM
Sorry, I was off by a bit on that toilet.

I picked up the Eco Drake from Frontier Plumbing (403-259-6671) yesterday, it came out to $401 for the bowl and tank. Seat and taxes were extra.

I got the Elongated ADA model of the Eco Drake. I haven't installed it yet, as the rough-in ring cracked when I took out the old toilet.

Unfortunately, I'm too far to drive down to where you are, Terry - otherwise I woulda done it.

tipk99
12-18-2007, 10:34 AM
So to all of you who have used the Eco Drake, can you please comment on how well it gets rid of the waste, how likely it is to clog, and how likely staining is with the smaller water spot?

I love the idea of this toilet, but I'm nervous!

Thanks!

Tom

CarlH
12-18-2007, 12:32 PM
So to all of you who have used the Eco Drake, can you please comment on how well it gets rid of the waste, how likely it is to clog, and how likely staining is with the smaller water spot?

I have had my Eco Drake elongated in for a little over two weeks. Also, I have a regular Drake round front which I can use for comparison. Since I have two different bowl shapes (round vs. elongated) it is a bit difficult to make a direct comparison to certain aspects.

Clogging: I would not expect it to be any more prone to clogging than the 1.6g flush version. The trap shape and size is very similar if not the same between the Eco and non-Eco versions.

Water spot: I can't make a direct comparison, but I suspect there is no difference in the size of the water spot between Eco and non-Eco versions of the Drake. Did somewhere state that it has a smaller water spot? I would rate the size of the water spot as acceptable. I'll have to go take a better look at my two Drakes, but I do not think the water spot shrunk any with the Eco version. Actually, I think the spot is larger both width and length on the elongated Eco Drake than the round non-Eco Drake. Less water per flush means that there will be less bowl wash. The only time we had a mark that persisted in the round Drake for any more than a few flushes was one at the rear of the bowl which get very little wash.


Clearing the bowl: Too early for me to give a full comment on this and I have not run any intentional tests to test the limits. I have not had any trouble with bowl clearing under normal use and I do not hold the handle for extra water. One thing I noticed is that the flushing stops so quickly after the waste exits the bowl you almost expect to see something significant return when some of the water washes back from the trapway. I have seen a few small bits of waste return on one occasion, but my old Briggs 1.5g would do the same thing. I do not use the non-Eco Drake with any regularity and do not know if the same would occur with it.

The Eco is in the master bath and hasn't gone through the test of my kids and the extra TP that they use at times. So far, I have no complaints and this is much better than the toilet that it replaced.

malpower
12-18-2007, 04:02 PM
Hello everyone, new to the site. I cant believe how much research involved in getting a new toilet today, glad I found this site.

I have narrowed my search to this toilet, but no one has a review or comments on how good it is. Can anyone that has this let me know how is working, thanks.

Oh, Im in Canada and checked out getting it, they said its brand new and they should have it in about 2 weeks, but they want $399 and I see it in Terry's store for about $220, can believe the difference in price.

I'm not in Canada but northern California but thought I'd make some comments to your posting!

I FINALLY replaced two old (one pre-1980 and one from 1985) water guzzlers. I had been waiting until the water district here in Marin County put the Drake Eco on its rebate list (will only give rebates on the Drake Eco and the Aquia) and they finally made the list recently.

The price here was $256 for the EcoDrake EL and $48 for the soft close seats - we figured that was a pretty standard price and grabbed two. I gather that they can't keep them in stock for very long -- they tell me they've been very popular.

I couldn't be happier with mine -- what a difference from the old ones. Flush is really fast and quiet compared to the old ones too -- startlingly quick. I was worried about so little water to whoosh things away but absolutely no problems there either. Maybe it's just that they're the EL models and my old toilets were all Round, but the Toto seems to be a bit larger and stands out more, especially in my smaller bathroom. But that's really OK and just something to get used to. My friend who installed them had no problems whatsoever and he got them both in and others hauled away in just a couple of hours.

I never thought I'd be having a conversation about toilets and do so much research on them -- but I'm really pleased with these and think I made a great decision. Lots of the credit for that decision goes to Terry, his website and the forums. Thanks!

Kerry

ejmiami
12-22-2007, 09:57 AM
I searched quite a bit on the internet looking for a new toilet that is on our Miami-Dade County rebate list (up to $100). I have a small 1950's bathroom and the longer elongated seat toilets just wouldn't fit. The local plumbing supply stores still don't know much about HET toilets and the only one I could identify on the list they would sell is the Gerber UltraFlush (http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28088). I was nervous about putting a complicated (and potentially loud) toilet in my small bathroom right next to the two bedrooms.

I ended up ordering a TOTO EcoDrake ADA elongated toilet. I hesitated on getting the elongated, however the better MaP rating for this model (900 grams) kind of sold me. Plus I liked the idea of having a taller seat.

Does anyone have experience replacing an older 1950's toilet with this EcoDrake (or any similar TOTO models) ? My handyman is really good, however I would like to be able to prepare him for any surprises we might experience during the install.

Thanks for a great site Terry!

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/toto_eco_drake_box.jpg

malpower
12-22-2007, 11:16 AM
I searched quite a bit on the internet looking for a new toilet that is on our Miami-Dade County rebate list (up to $100). I have a small 1950's bathroom and the longer elongated seat toilets just wouldn't fit. The local plumbing supply stores still don't know much about HET toilets and the only one I could identify on the list they would sell is the Gerber UltraFlush (http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28088). I was nervous about putting a complicated (and potentially loud) toilet in my small bathroom right next to the two bedrooms.

I ended up ordering a TOTO EcoDrake ADA elongated toilet. I hesitated on getting the elongated, however the better MaP rating for this model (900 grams) kind of sold me. Plus I liked the idea of having a taller seat.

Does anyone have experience replacing an older 1950's toilet with this EcoDrake (or any similar TOTO models) ? My handyman is really good, however I would like to be able to prepare him for any surprises we might experience during the install.

Thanks for a great site Terry!

Just this morning we were saying that we probably should have bought a round Drake Eco for the small downstairs bathroom just because the elongated one we just put in pokes out towards the tub -- it DOES fit and one has no problems with their knees hitting the tub or anything like that, we have about a 17.5" clearance still, but a round seat would most likely give a slight bit more room and not look so large in the tiny bathroom. Also to consider is that instead of an ADA version which adds an inch or so to the height, we have "Toilevators" which raise the toilets by 3.5" -- so that gives us a bit more room simply because we're sitting higher up. Personally I prefer the round seats and they look more oldfashioned, but the elongated ones seem to be the best choice if there are men in the house! :)

There were absolutely no problems or anything out of the ordinary about installing these toilets and we were putting them on top of the Toilevators, too. As I said in my post above, it took my handyman friend a couple of hours to replace the old toilets and install the two new ones. He did have to shim the one in the older bathroom downstairs because the floors are not level but that wasn't a big deal.

Good luck -- I hope it works out for you!
Kerry

ejmiami
12-22-2007, 12:26 PM
[QUOTE=malpower;113278]Just this morning we were saying that we probably should have bought a round Drake Eco for the small downstairs bathroom just because the elongated one we just put in pokes out towards the tub -- it DOES fit and one has no problems with their knees hitting the tub or anything like that, we have about a 17.5" ...

Hi Kerry,

Thanks for the info. Fortunately the toilet is position just to the right of the doorway along the wall and the elongated version will still be an inch inside the door frame, so I'm hoping it will not look too large. I've never had a clogged toilet with the 50 year old one that is in there and didn't want to start having problems with a new toilet.

My only concern is that there are no center bolts on the old toilet mounting- so I suspect we will need to do some modifications on the flange area which could be easy or hard (with the iron waste pipe below).

Liz, Miami, Fl

malpower
12-22-2007, 03:08 PM
Hi Kerry,

Thanks for the info. Fortunately the toilet is position just to the right of the doorway along the wall and the elongated version will still be an inch inside the door frame, so I'm hoping it will not look too large. I've never had a clogged toilet with the 50 year old one that is in there and didn't want to start having problems with a new toilet.

My only concern is that there are no center bolts on the old toilet mounting- so I suspect we will need to do some modifications on the flange area which could be easy or hard (with the iron waste pipe below).

Liz, Miami, Fl

I'm glad that you have room to fit! As to the actual plumbing details, sounds like you know far more than I do! ;) I was happy to just go look at them once they were installed and let my friend deal with the plumbing -- I would have heard about it if there were problems though! Good luck, I hope you get it all hooked up with EASY modifications!

Kerry

ziv
01-07-2008, 12:11 AM
Thanks to Terry and all the posters! I've been researching toilets and this forum is amazing!

I'm thinking about buying the Eco Drake ADA and I have a couple questions:

Is there some flexibility with the rough in? I know it is listed at 12"

Also, what kind of materials does one use to shim? Standard wood shims?

Thanks,
Ziv

Nate R
01-07-2008, 03:59 AM
No, there are plastic shims available specifically for shimming toilets.

http://www.terrylove.com/images/shim_it.jpg

Terry
01-07-2008, 09:06 AM
You will need a rough-in of at least 11-1/8" to install the Eco Drake.

ziv
01-07-2008, 03:33 PM
Thanks Nate, I found the plastic shims.
And thank you Terry - I think the 11-1/8" measurement is exactly what I have to work with.

One more question:

From the Toto spec sheet I see that they recommend the supply line 8" off the floor. My supply lines are only 3" from the floor - will this be a problem?

Thanks again,
Ziv

Terry
01-07-2008, 04:13 PM
My supply lines are only 3" from the floor - will this be a problem?



Only if the water supply were to be right behind the toilet.
I almost never see that.
Most likely, a 12" or longer toilet supply will work fine.

http://www.terrylove.com/images/ecodrake_supply.jpg

loke
04-07-2008, 03:46 PM
http://terrylove.com/images/ecodrake_insidetank.jpg

Just had a chat with my local Toto retailer. Was advised that the EcoDrake and regular Drake are the same toilet but that there is a small difference relating to the flapper. The retailer is only bringing in the EcoDrake models now, but says that if one is unhappy with the flush that a simple manipulation of some sort with the flapper will convert the toilet into the regular 1.6gpf model. I made my enquiry by phone so have not been able to see what he was talking about. Is he correct?

Redwood
04-07-2008, 06:26 PM
You shouldn't have to worry about it. Both the regular Drake and the Eco-Drake MaP tested the same at 900 grams per flush.

loke
04-07-2008, 08:43 PM
I had checked out the MaP link in post #18 on this thread and noted that the regular height EcoDrake EL rated as 600, while the ADA height EL was 900 (same as the regular height Drake EL). But 600 is still considered very good, I gather, so perhaps I shouldn't worry so much. The other toilet in which I am interested, the Ultramax ADA fares less well in the Eco version, listing at only 450, though I have seen a rating of 500 on a link from a Canadian site. The non-Eco Ultramax is 700, as I recall, so the reduction in MaP score seems somewhat proportional to that of the decrease from the regular Drake to the EcoDrake.

Still do wonder just what the fellow is meaning about being able to make a change. From the picture that was inserted into my message (thanks, Terry), as well as the spec page I just downloaded from the Toto website, it does appear that there is some extra piece (float I think someone suggested) above the flapper. The part on the left side of the tank looks different from the G-Max set-up, too, though perhaps it is only an external difference.
difference.

loke
04-12-2008, 09:23 AM
Visited the Toto retailer today and was told that it is the small float above the flapper on the Eco models that one would remove to convert back to a non-Eco model, should one feel the need to do so. That being said, one of the sales staff said that she has both the 1.6gpf and Eco Drake models in her home and hasn't perceived a difference in capability. Seems like everything is pointing to going with the Eco models.

http://www.terrylove.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6992&stc=1&d=1238449736
E-Max flapper THU277S

Reader Review
06-10-2008, 09:45 AM
Found your site on the web and have to ask. Do you have no (or few) complaints about the TOTO. I got the Eco-Drake just after my mother passed away as I was worried about the potential traffic after a memorial. This thing has not cleanly flushed once. Toto insists it could flush what a horse leaves behind and I am sure it is true. However there would be little (or often big) green marks all the way around the bowl (under the water line). Unfortunately I have become way too familiar with the term “skid marks”. I was told some people use a brush (right like I want to have a stinky bacteria filled brush in my new bathroom and ask guests to use it) or that I was too sensitive (had to explain my husband is a wildlife biologist and I can eat a meal while he does a field necropsy with no problems!). I just want to see leftovers from me or anyone else when I open the lid.

After 3 months of getting pushed back and forth from TOTO to the store where I bought the toilet, I finally called the local TV consumer line. Toto came out and made it a 2 gallon flush…same problem. If I have a defective model, I will push for a replacement, but if the model itself doesn’t work, I will push for a new type altogether.

Long winded to ask if you REALLY don’t hear much negative about these toilets?
Lisa Sinizer
http://www.loainc.com/
Live Oak Associates, Inc

Reader Review
06-10-2008, 10:01 AM
I will push for a new type altogether.


And that may be best.
Since 1992, which is sixteen years ago, they have only sold toilets that use 1.6 gallon toilets or less.
If you replaced a 3.5 for 5.0 gallon toilet from an older home, then you will notice that more cleaning needs to be done.
These reviews are based on "NEW" toilets, not the old ones.
That phone call to the TV station should have been made in 1992 when the law changed.
If you want to flush with more water, it's fairly simple though, hold the handle down. It will drain the entire tank.
Cool huh, I know that sounds obvious, but I like to point out simple things like that to some people.

Reader Review
06-12-2008, 05:57 PM
Like many people here, have been happy with my choice of Toto - the largest toilet manufacturer in the entire world.
Jadnashua

Flawless product, installation, and operation.

Mikey

mike95060
06-27-2008, 04:01 PM
Unfortunately I have become way too familiar with the term “skid marks”.

I have the same "skid mark" problem and I consider it a real negative. When I bought the toilet I was advised by the salesperson at the plumbing supply store to buy a "regular" seat, rather than the TOTO seat, for more comfort.

Does the TOTO seat move one forward more than a "regular" seat and lessen the "skid mark" problem? I don't think my problem is the less water that an Eco uses, so perhaps this could be answered by anyone who has experience with the Drake.

I have had my toilet since October and otherwise my enthusiastic comments earlier in this discussion still apply. There has never been a problem flushing. I have totally adjusted to the ADA height.

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Toto SoftClose seat

thebigsee
12-01-2010, 04:06 PM
I installed 2 Eco Drakes at my mother-in-law's house about 7 months ago, and I realized I had not weighed-in on them here on the boards.

I won't belabor the point, but just wanted to say that they're excellent in every way -- quiet, fast, NEVER clog, excellent quality. I prefer the Aquia II for the dual-flush and overall look, but if you want a more traditional-looking toilet, this is an excellent choice. Don't bother with American Standard, just buy a Toto -- and get the SoftClose seat, they are wonderful. I just bought a new house with a Glacier Bay and some unknown ancient toilet and it sets my teeth on-edge whenever I let go of the seat and it crashes down. They'll be on the curb in a few weeks once my Aquia II's arrive . . .