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Terry
07-02-2007, 03:14 PM
http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_500a_top.jpg
Toto Neorest 500

The Toto Neorest 500 by TOTO, has a warm seat, warm water wash, warm air dry and a deodorizer fan.
The flush is by a pump powered jet, and the rinse is a double cyclone, with two outlets with water at the upper part of the rim.
It's a quiet flush and a thorough rinse.

A wireless remote can be installed on the wall, or picked up and used that way too. In case someone walks away with the remote, there are also side buttons on the toilet.
The Neorest has a MANUAL OVERRIDE flush if you lose power.

To buy in the Seattle area (http://www.easycarts.net/ecarts/terrylove/Toto_Toilets.html#MS950CG)


http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_500a_side.jpg

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_500_top2.jpg

Some of the controls under the cover.
By the way, TOTO also makes micro chips.
When you walk up to the toilet, the lip opens up.
After you leave, the lid closes.


http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_500a_adapter.jpg

It takes an adapter that holds two bolts at the back, and a block that receives a screw at the front.

http://www.totousa.com/Neorest/Neorest500.aspx

Terry
07-02-2007, 03:23 PM
http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_500_shutoff.jpg

In the box comes a special shutoff for the braided hose.
Normally it would be angle more toward the bowl, but the bowl set too close for that.
The specs call for about 11.5" toward the left.

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_500_box2.jpg

A nice big box that holds everything.

To buy in the Seattle area (http://www.easycarts.net/ecarts/terrylove/Toto_Toilets.html#MS950CG)

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_500_underside.jpg
The underside of the bowl.

http://www.totousa.com/Neorest/Neorest500.aspx

Peanut9199
07-03-2007, 10:26 AM
I've sold 15 last year and 6 so far this year.

I've only had one problem and it was installation error and this is what Toto told the installer over the phone and was fixed in 10 minutes.

"I've run into this problem before. In every case like this, it has been an installation problem. In fact, I can be certain that the problem is related to the small spring clip for the washlet supply hose. That clip is either lost, missing, or is not properly installed."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7NkeLMA08

Terry
03-07-2008, 09:11 AM
http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_500a_package.jpg
Everything out of the box.

To buy in the Seattle area (http://www.easycarts.net/ecarts/terrylove/Toto_Toilets.html#MS950CG)

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_500a_sheet.jpg
Template for drilling the floor.

bigbird
03-07-2008, 01:56 PM
One word sums up this toilet....Wow!

If I could afford one it would be in my ensuite tomorrow.

nyc6035
09-15-2008, 06:52 PM
http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_500_shutoff.jpg

In the box comes a special shutoff for the braided hose.
Normally it would be angle more toward the bowl, but the bowl set too close for that.
The specs call for about 11.5" toward the left.

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You imply above that for the pictured install you went for a less than 11.5" OC from the middle of the toilet flange to the water supply. My question is...in looking at the drawings it appears at the base that the toilet is only 5.5" wide from center to either side. Why are they asking for 11.5" offset? I have about 8" to work with (small bathroom - even with all the drywall pulled back to get at the piping)....based upon your experience is 11" necessary? Would 8" (likely) work? While I'm at it, the schematic is also suggesting 6" from the floor for the water supply...I can see some part of that would be necessary due to the 'nose' of the fitting...but is that much truly necessary?

Thanks in advance!

Terry
09-16-2008, 12:29 AM
The ones I installed had the water closer than the suggested distance.
Unless someone knows before the drywall is installed that the Neorest is to be installed, it's doubtfull that it will be at 11.5"
That being the case, you just do the best you can, with what you have.
8" should work on the supply.
Sometimes you can move the line outside of the wall too.

jadnashua
09-16-2008, 07:39 AM
Keep in mind that code requires 30" minimum, 15" either side of centerline for a toilet...8"? Hope there's more and that's just a restriction because of in-wall things.

nyc6035
10-12-2008, 06:19 AM
Well I've completed installation of two of these in my home over the last few of weekends. It was a challenge because I: had to run electric; did in fact move the water lines out; found I needed dedicated power to the units as my lights in the bathroom were flickering (when using the dryer feature) after I finished the first install.

So after running a feeder cable through the basement and running the lines up...I was all set.

The install of the toilet itself was straight-forward. The biggest challenges were drilling through the ceramic tile floor (with a 2" mortar base) and the use of the supplied self tapping screws. I wound up stripping the self tapping screws (7 out of 8 times) and substituted tapcon screws instead. That worked fine.

The rest of the install went great...with the second unit taking waay less time than the first.

The unit itself it great. I've had the first unit in for a couple of weeks and only once has the system not cleared 100% of the debris in the first flush...and that 1 time it missed just 1% or so.

Good luck all you DIYers.

Reader Review
11-11-2008, 02:59 PM
Hi Terry.

I wanted to let you know that I FINALLY got my new toilet installed. I love it!

Everything seems to be working fine and I’m enjoying playing with all the features. The only problem we had was getting the power line in. I need some wall repair now before the whole job is complete.
Steve
Portland OR

Gizmo
02-07-2009, 06:45 AM
Hi

Is it possible with minor modification to use two sources of water with a TOTO Neorest toilet ?

I would like to use Grey water for the toilet flush and potable water for the washlet on the toilet.

thanks

seaofnames
02-07-2009, 10:08 PM
Terry, since the toilet is so close to the plug, wouldnt you want/prefer to have a GFCI to plug into incase of some problem with water spray/mess etc. ?

Very nice install though.

Terry
02-07-2009, 10:49 PM
Most bathrooms have the GFI at the panel.
It's code to GFI the bathroom circuit, so adding a second GFI wouldn't make much sense.

avocats
11-24-2009, 12:02 AM
We love our 500. But the power went out and the power and remote haven't reset. We can't find the manual right now; I know this happened before but it resolved itself. Any ideas?

Peanut9199
11-24-2009, 05:23 AM
Here is the owners manual (http://www.terrylove.com/pdf/neorest_500_manual.pdf)

Cause - In case of power failure or power cord disconnect.
Solution - It may not function normally on the day of the power outage, but should work normally starting the next day.

Also check to see if the Power is on

9033

xucchini
11-29-2009, 11:05 PM
Hello, I just put tile in my bathroom and I want to get a neorest 500 but I now have a 10 inch rough-in (well about 10.5 inches).

If I purchased the neorest 500 and a 10" unifit adapter would that allow me to install the neorest 500 with a 10" rough-in?



No, you need at least 11.5" for the adapter that comes with the Neorest500
The other adapters don't work with this model.
http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_500a_adapter.jpg
The back of this adapter hold the back bolts in the correct location for only the Neorest bowl.

xucchini
11-30-2009, 07:23 PM
Hello, I just put tile in my bathroom and I want to get a neorest 500 but I now have a 10 inch rough-in (well about 10.5 inches).

If I purchased the neorest 500 and a 10" unifit adapter would that allow me to install the neorest 500 with a 10" rough-in?

The toilet is going onto tile which is done over a concrete slab.

I believe the existing drain is PVC.

So would an offset flange be my next best bet?

ChuckS
11-30-2009, 09:25 PM
Talk about an electric chair, hate to see it short circuit during a good thought... That might raise the pucker factor.

Seriously, that is some throne. With that heated seat I would have to put the kid out to use it. She turns on the ones in the car during the summer.

Terry
12-01-2009, 08:42 AM
I enjoy the warm seat on a toilet too.
If you want to make your wife happy, then get her a washlet or bidet seat.
It's total luxury.

xucchini
12-01-2009, 06:35 PM
I went ahead and ordered the Neorest 500.

Going to try with an offset flange adapter, hopefully everything will work out...

I'll try to take pictures of the install as it happens.

Hope I am back in a few weeks with a positive story to tell. :)

CSW
03-02-2010, 02:41 PM
Hi guys,
After I read all the positive reviews and I also ordered 500 to give a try. We realized the installation is a bit too hard for us so we started looking for a right person to do it.
We got quotes from 2 different plumbers and they both gonna charge us over$600 to complete the task. Does this sound right? One plumber told us power allocation is kind of complicated too so it takes extra efforts to do this.
Any advices would be appreciated.

Jason

Terry
03-02-2010, 03:06 PM
$600 plus electrical sounds about right.

You want them to worry abit beforehand before they start.
It's one of those, slow down, read everything, and get it right the first time installations.

Terry
03-04-2010, 05:48 AM
What did they say needs to be done? If they can re-use the existing supply (cold water) and toilet drain (12" rough) then it's just about running an outlet near the toilet.


I charge $499 to install these, and I don't do any electrical.
Until you have installed one yourself, then it's pointless to "wonder" why they take so long.

The existing toilet supply can't be used.
They supply their own shutoff and supply.
Without changing the plumbing for that, you won't be able to install it.
I had one customer that just assumed that his $3500 toilet from Japan would install using the same $5.99 3/8" connector that his other toilets use.
It's not even close.
There is not gravity tank on this.
It depends on water volume at the wall to pump the waste through.
Trying to do that through a tiny straw isn't going to do much for you.
Imagine drinking a milk shake through your coffee stirrer.
And would you want a guy that quoted $179 for the installation doing your $3500 toilet install?
It doesn't take much to turn a $3500 beauty into a big box of parts that need returning.

Installation manual (http://www.terrylove.com/pdf/neorest_600_installation_1.pdf)

Owners Manual (http://www.terrylove.com/pdf/neorest_600_manual_1.pdf)

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_600_supply.jpg
The Neorest 600 comes with it's own supply and supply tube. It's a 1/2" female thread on the back of the shutoff. Specs call for the shutoff to be a little higher off the floor, and 11-3/4" to the left of center. If someone knew that before the walls were in, that is where you could put it.
This bathroom was like most homes with the shutoff closer. The top fitting swings, which is good, it allows the connection without kinking the supply.

Terry
03-05-2010, 09:03 PM
BTW - I think this site is great. There's a site about everything on the net. I'd just like to offer the poster a different point of view.



You lost me on your first comment of
"So does the homeowner then just get to do a manual flush?"

I'm a plumber.
So when the customer calls up, I tell him to have the electrical installed in the wall before I get there.
If they don't know an electrician, there are a few numbers I can give him.

For the toilet to flush properly using the pump, it needs the non restricted supply that comes with the bowl.
A 3/8" will be too small.
So I think it's nice to be up front with people, if they are spending that kind of money, they should follow the recommend steps and be able to enjoy all the functions.
It's not a bargain to save a buck here and there, and then not get what you have already paid for.
If the supply is not the original, then it may not rinse the bowl as well.

It also doesn't make sense to tell these people with the investment, that is is like installing their TOTO Drake.

As far as pricing goes, most plumbers in the Seattle area are charging double my rates.
I charge $179 for a standard toilet installation.
Lowes Hardware charges $219.00 plus $10.00 in parts, plus $45.00 more if you bring the toilet out with you.

I come highly recommended on the Microsoft website.
They like bargains too, which is maybe why I get so many referrals from Microsoft.
They know that I will include all the factory parts, things like a shutoff with water filter and the full size water connection.

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_550_wall_connection.jpg
Moving the shutoff for the Neorest 550
The job was for one of my neighbors.

pixie
04-02-2010, 12:31 AM
Hi, I'm new to this forum and appreciate all the great information! I do have a question about the supply line. The Neorest 500 installation instructions specifically call for the line as follows: Please make sure that the water supply from the water shutoff valve faces downward at a 60 degree angle and toward the side of the toilet. Is this just to prevent the line from kinking/twisting? For the 600 model, it looks like you have angled it upward away from th toilet in the picture above, but the 600 manual specifies that it should be parallel to the floor. Just trying to see how we can make this work. As long as the supply line is not kinked, does it matter which direction the line is going (i.e., pointing away from the toilet or towards the toilet, angled downward vs. angled upward)? Our supply line is very close to the toilet as well so we're just trying to find a solution without having to move the supply line if we don't have to. Thanks in advance!

Terry
04-02-2010, 04:46 AM
In a perfect world, you would have bought the Neorest first.
Then the plumber would have read the rough-in instructions and installed the water supply exactly where TOTO likes it to be before the room was drywalled.

The important thing, is that the large braided hose does not kink.
That is why the installation photo's look so different.
As an installer on a retrofit installation, do you cut the wall, move the supply, and then have the homeowner bring in a drywall repair and painter?
With the 550, you are kind of stuck, the supply has to be in just one spot, but at least you can hide a lot of that with the "wings" that cover toward the back.

So the option is:
1) Install right to spec, and then do a drywall patch and paint
2) Set the bowl down, and see what you can get by with without kinking.
Sometimes adding a few inches of pipe and a 90 el is enough for the connection.

But you must use the Toto supplied shutoff, with the large thread and the water screen that can be removed and cleaned.
And the Large braided Toto supplied water supply.
It needs these two parts to function correctly.

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neorest_stop.jpg

Terry
06-02-2010, 02:52 PM
Most plumbers are roughing water at 6" to the left.
If you are installing a Neorest 500, the water needs to be moved over.

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neorest_500_hookup.jpg

The Neorest comes with it's own shutoff with filter screen. The large braided hose is needed or it won't flush right.
You can't use a 3/8" hose on these, no tank, so you need more volume.
http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neorest_500_pedestal.jpg
Terry

Sinjinn
10-07-2010, 08:54 AM
Just to show it can be done if you are handy with tools and understand electrical and plumbing supply lines: below is my self-installed Neorest 500. The job took a total of 15 hours from start to finish and that included running an electrical line from the attic, down through the bathroom cabinet and installing a GFI outlet; removing the old toilet, drilling and cutting bathroom tiles, using Shark plumbing fittings to extend the existing water supply far enough to the side of the toilet for a kinkless supply connection, and...well you can see the rest. The water supply line was a close fit!

We love this unit! Although our supply pressure is on the low side and a double flush is necessary from time to time, that was the same with our old toilet, so not a big deal.

jadnashua
10-07-2010, 01:04 PM
Humm, if the supply line before the new stuff was copper, if you'd used copper, it might have worked better. CPVC ID is smaller, closer to 3/8" copper, and is restricting the max flow.

Sinjinn
10-07-2010, 08:00 PM
Humm, if the supply line before the new stuff was copper, if you'd used copper, it might have worked better. CPVC ID is smaller, closer to 3/8" copper, and is restricting the max flow.

Thanks Jim...quite right and when we remodel our bathroom next year, we'll use all copper. I didn't have the necessary copper pipe/flux/solder/torch at hand, so I opted for an install using the shark connectors and PEX (about 6" length). The flow was adequate for a complete flush in almost all cases. However, as it turns out we had a problem with the flushes getting increasingly weak. I contacted Toto and after a bit of troubleshooting we determined that the flush valve solenoid was faulty. As a result the flush time was reduced and the jet did not operate for a sufficient length of time to clear the bottom of the bowl. Toto has very good customer service and they are sending me a replacement flush valve next week.

Sinjinn
10-18-2010, 09:53 AM
Replaced the flush valve unit and toilet now flushes fine! I may take the old one apart to see if there is any adjustment that could be made on the time of the second stage of the flush. While I was at the repair I decide to replace the 6" section of PEX (I.D. of less than 0.4") with soft annealed copper pipe (I.D. of roughly 0.5") to see if it made much difference. Perhaps a little more volume...significant? Not sure.

jten
11-11-2010, 08:21 PM
I just got my 500 installed a few days ago and cannot convey just how good it is. We were into the install when I ran across this forum (thank god) and someone was discussing 1/2 inch pex being undersized. If you are running pex, be sure to run 3/4. It doesn't say it anywhere in the manuals, but Toto will confirm that they are getting calls that the 1/2 inch pex might not work out so well but 1/2 copper probably will. We had to re-run the pex, but the wall was still open and nothing else was hooked up. 1 post on this forum was the only confirmation that I could find anywhere on the net. thanks!

Faux Plumber
11-16-2010, 01:41 PM
I went ahead and ordered the Neorest 500.

Going to try with an offset flange adapter, hopefully everything will work out...

I'll try to take pictures of the install as it happens.

Hope I am back in a few weeks with a positive story to tell. :)

xucchini: I have a similar problem about the rough-in distance, it is less than 12 inches, close to 11 1/2 inches. Toto's tech support people say that anything less than 12 inches will not work. I, too, wondered if an offset flange adapter could be used. You have not posted since December 2009. Did your installation work? Would you, please, post pictures of your installation? Thanks.

Instructions (http://admin.totousa.com/Product%20Downloads/0GU9102,%20NEOREST%20500%20BOWL,%20EN,%20IM,%20V.0 1.pdf)

Terry
11-16-2010, 01:53 PM
I think you have a little leeway. The 500's that I have installed did not touch the wall.
Also, the outlet of the adapter is about 2", dropping into a 3" drain.
You can fudge the adapter forward a little bit if needed. That would be much, much better then installing a needless offset.

I believe this was about 11.5" from the wall.

http://www.terrylove.com/wc/toto/neo_500a_adapter.jpg

Faux Plumber
11-16-2010, 02:11 PM
Thanks, Terry. That helps a lot.

Faux Plumber
12-19-2010, 04:44 PM
Thanks to Terry's encouragement (that an 11.5 inch rough-in would be sufficient) we ordered a Neorest 500 for a bathroom we are re-doing and which I had already closed and tiled with large (13 in. x 26 in.) tiles. We hadn't decided on the Neorest before I closed the wall and tiled it, so we had concerns about the rough-in, which was just a bit shy of 11.5 inches, and the supply line which was six inches from the center of the toilet.

I measured the horizontal distance between the back of the washlet after it has been installed on the toilet, and the center line of the bolt holes at the bottom, and found that that distance was about 3 1/8inches. I measured and re-measured the distance between the bolt holes in the gray outlet connection when installed over the waste flange, and the back wall. That was 3 1/4 inches. So, I went ahead and drilled the holes for the gray outlet connection in the green marble tile I had laid, and then my wife and I carefully lowered the toilet over the gray outlet connection. We were relieved to find that the fit was perfect, and the clearances looked very much as in the picture in Terry's first post.
The water supply had to be moved over, and I did that with a few elbows and nipples (which I threaded manually from stainless steel pipe stock, hence my chosen name Faux Plumber.)

The result is as in the picture.

Thanks, Terry, for your encouragement and your wonderful Forum.

msr12077
02-17-2011, 04:20 PM
nyc6035,
just curious how long it took to install the 1st unit and the 2nd unit? thanks!

msr12077
02-17-2011, 04:25 PM
Terry,
If you had only 9 1/2 " to work would based on the existing pipe below to the septic, would you move the pipe 2" away from the wall and this means re-doing the hole into the tile and the pipe below going into the septic? or would you not do so, knowing 9 1/2 works just fine?

Also, how long does it take to install from beginning to finish? I am planning on installing 2 units, but I have one bathroom, which is smaller and more space restrictions.

Thanks!

Terry
02-17-2011, 05:23 PM
Hello, just up the long street from me,

It takes me 4 hours to install a Neorest 500, so it would take a homeowner longer.
It's not that it's hard, it's that there are more things to do.
You need at least 11.5" from the center of the drain to the wall.
For the neorest, you will need to move the drain.
The water supply should be 11.5" to the left of center. Toto supplies a shutoff valve that you must use with the Neorest.
Terry

jjwbhca
02-17-2011, 07:42 PM
Terry,

I would like to get a Neorest 500 or 600 for my bathroom. The water supply line is 9.5" to the left of the center of where the toilet is. I have a Toto toilet there already, so the 12" rough-in is there already. It seems the only issue is the water supply line. The existing line is affixed through marble baseboard, and my water closet is venetian plastered, so I don't want to do any demo work. I have electrical on the rear wall behind the toilet as well.

I am curious to hear of any suggestions or recommendations you may have to make this work. I would much rather purchase a Neorest 500 or 600 than a simple washlet.

Thank you,
jjwbhca

Terry
02-18-2011, 12:30 AM
9.5" will work.
6" needs to be moved out though.
With the unit on hand, you can get an idea for what can be done without kinking the braided connector.

denverboz
03-04-2011, 07:40 PM
Hey Terry, great site and great information on the Toto neorest.

Got a quick question about the electrical requirements. Do you know how much power the Neorest uses, and if it requires a dedicated circuit?
I can't seem to find anything about it. TIA for any help.

BTW I can't get the links to the owners manual in this thread to work, don't know if it's me or they're just bad links.

OK I did find this about the Neorest it says: Power Rating 120V 60 Hz 1281W.
But honestly, even after googling it, I'm not sure what that means. I don't think it means it uses 1281W, just not sure. Maybe I'll post in electrical.

Furd
03-05-2011, 12:34 AM
I suspect that it does indeed mean that it requires 1281 watts under some circumstances. That pretty much means a dedicated 15 ampere circuit or a lightly loaded 20 ampere circuit. While it might pass code being on the required 20 ampere bathroom circuit I would feel better about it being on a different circuit.

Stu L.
12-27-2011, 04:28 PM
I currently have an ultramax and an S300 washlet. Would the neorest offer an advantage in washing? It definitely has the edge in the looks department, but when it comes to toilets the proof is in the pudding (no pun intended). Is the motorized flush superior? The Ultramax has been a hell of a toilet, and the washlet handles things pretty well when my poopy is soupy. Maybe the Neorest offers a better blow dry/style? If there are real advantages I would go for it. Thanks.

Terry
03-01-2014, 01:22 PM
http://terrylove.com/images/toto/ms950_kapur_1.jpg

MS950CG-12
Neorest 500 in Sedonia Beige
Installed 2/28/2014

http://terrylove.com/images/toto/ms950_kapur_2.jpg

The water heater install and Toto install went great! Thanks!

Jay

Fred Duggan
03-24-2014, 07:54 PM
Is there any way for the AC wire to be hidden? I love how it looks, but I hate that it has a power chord coming out of it...