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Terry
06-14-2007, 05:52 PM
Whoever Joe Tedesco is, he must be pretty sneaky.
He has deleted all of the electrical posts from this board.

I've seen some crooked people before, but this guy is criminal in what he has done.

He has been banned too late. I was plumbing today while the Fox tore down the hen house.

Terry Love

Backglass
06-14-2007, 06:05 PM
Well, whoever did it sounds like someone who can't be successful on his own merit, and must try to tear down others to help pump up his low self esteem. Obviously he is insanely jealous of your expertise and the fantastic forum you have created.

Don't worry...I have plenty more questions to ask. The forum will be full again in no time on my ignorance alone! :-P

jimbo
06-14-2007, 07:47 PM
He has been posting a lot lately. Seemed to be knowledgeable. Then all of a sudden, he declares himself the administrator and everyone else has to line up for inspection before they can post!

I just thought Terry had brought him on board to firm up the electrical discussions, even though I think overall the quality of advice has been pretty good. Most of us plumbers seem to have a working knowledge, enough to help on some simple DIY questions, and there are a couple of pros like bobnh who have helped a lot.

He is all over the net. I did notice that the picture in the avatar today was not the same picture he had been using. This could just be a newer picture, or it could be an indication that foul play was afoot.
http://www.joetedesco.org/
http://www.***************/users/joetedesco/index.html
http://www.nachi.org/tedesco.htm
http://joetedesco.net/default.aspx

Dunbar Plumbing
06-14-2007, 07:54 PM
Check IP's to this guy >> http://www.terrylove.com/forums/member.php?u=13359


If I remember vaguely, this "joe" had a Ray Liota avatar and I remember the words NEC clearly in his profile, just like the above, AND from the 2 posts I see under this member, something is fishy.

I can't remember but were there a lot of posts in electrical? Pages?

http://www.terrylove.com/forums/member.php?u=13072 < He's online right now

Terry
06-14-2007, 08:03 PM
The ip number is different.

Joe deleted 796 threads, and 5,525 posts.

I guess old Joe doesn't think much of people in general to do something like that.

dx
06-14-2007, 08:04 PM
Joe Tedesco is the former moderator of the electrical forum at JLC. He continues to post heavily there and is hated by everyone for being a pompous arse.

See http://forums.jlconline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=21

Keep an eye on jwelectric (Mike Whitt) who just started a thread here. He is a friend of Joe's and is similarly a controversial heavy poster at the JLC forum.

The basic philosophy shared by Joe and Mike: If you're not an electrician, then the answer to any electrical question is "You need to hire a licensed electrician".

Dunbar Plumbing
06-14-2007, 08:07 PM
Wow, so my thinking was spot on with the other member, jwelectric.

Apparently someone knows vBulletin software to know the holes. :mad:

I say ban anyone who uses their full name....with the exception of Terry and John Bridge :D

geniescience
06-14-2007, 08:29 PM
i noticed one user whose name is "something electrical" hasn't been back here since March; he was ugly in his last couple posts. So I see a trend, or a pattern. I pay attention to that kind of detail; helps me see problems before they become lifethreatening.

David

p.s. Terry, on another subject: for some people, changing IP numbers is easy. So IP isn't foolproof.

SteveW
06-14-2007, 09:46 PM
If you go to the jlc forum mentioned above, and click on Joe Todesco's name, and then click on his homepage, guess where it takes you?

Cass
06-15-2007, 03:58 AM
What a loser, psyco, hack.

I have a cattle prod that I would like to check out on him.:)

Backglass
06-15-2007, 05:59 AM
Well you know what they say: "Those who can't, consult!"

Joe Tedesco, Electrical Code Consultants, Inc.
PO Box 130408 - Boston, MA 02113 - 617-523-1951 ~ 617-717-9812
Email: joetedesco@comcast.net

Joseph.Tedesco@Yahoo.com

Domain Name: JOETEDESCO.ORG
Created On: 08-Sep-2004 12:24:53 UTC
Registrant Name: Joe Tedesco
Registrant Street1: 350 North Street
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City: Boston
Registrant State/Province: MA
Registrant Postal Code: 02113
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.617.818.7627

Joe's Blackberry -> joetedesco@tmo.blackberry.net


Perhaps we should all give Joe a call and express our feelings...at around 3am daily. :p

Cookie
06-15-2007, 06:12 AM
http://forums.jlconline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37504

geniescience
06-15-2007, 06:38 AM
i'd like to address the issue, how the future turns out.

Terry and a couple assistants might be able to get the old threads back up. It is real work, and maybe it won't happen for a while.

This fellow Joe T. is already aware of what he did. I propose no action be taken.

A bigger and more general subject is how a forum, any forum, can handle people whose "Conduct" goes bad. This has been discussed in internet forums thousands of times already.

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Another bigger and more general subject is how a forum, any forum, can handle people of differing levels of expertise. Here is where I think we can make progress.

First off, I'll guess that Joe was not in agreement with non-qualified people answering questions that required a technical person to answer in real life. Not to defend his position, just to see if I have put my finger on a delicate subject. I'll criticize Joe Tedesco a few paragraphs later, so hear me out.

Another member (with "electrical guy" in his handle) has issued challenges to people who help out DIY and newbies, about their qualifications. I see a pattern here. His challenges are not pleasant, and they seem to imply that only someone with all the highest professional accreditation can speak, at that point, although "At what point?" is always the ill-defined thing.

In plumbing, we see often that the Master Plumbers post that a true answer is beyond the scope of what a discussion board can provide, and besides, the help-seeker may not be qualified to understand the information either... and then other less qualified people start posting tips, ideas and partial solutions. (I can list plumbing threads from the last 48 hours to illustrate this). In this site, in plumbing, it usually doesn't lead to any animosity, and then what little friction does develop dies out again fairly soon, usually but not always.

A word about Professionals: they have massive constraints placed on them by their Codes, which cover the physical world, and also by their Codes of Conduct, which cover their relations with the public and with each other.

I'll bet that Joe T. knows technical Codes well, but not the Codes of Conduct (Deontology) and that he needs to learn this before taking action that harms the reputation of all the others of his profession. Apparently he is some kind of NEC inspector. Maybe a freelancer. If he were a member of a professional body, and not just an outsider evaluating the technical performance of members of that body, he would be required to pass exams on Conduct, and follow the rules of conduct or else be disciplined and sanctioned by that professional group.

Let us "challenge" Joe T to join professional associations that have rules of conduct and see if he can remain a member after they get wind of his general behavior and conduct. If he cannot get into Professional Associations that have entrance exams, he isn't an expert in the first place. Then, if he can get in, will he behave as he just did in this forum? Once he sees their codes of "how to live" he will have to tone down his antics.

David

jimbo
06-15-2007, 06:43 AM
Not to drag up fond memories, but some of the guys here I'm sure remember a plumber named Sylvan Tieger, who eventually got himself banned from most of the forums.

electrician
06-15-2007, 07:13 AM
Not to drag up fond memories, but some of the guys here I'm sure remember a plumber named Sylvan Tieger, who eventually got himself banned from most of the forums.

I disagree, a plumber or non electrician should not answer any electrical questions!

That was evident here in the past!

:mad:

SteveW
06-15-2007, 07:55 AM
To my way of thinking, to crash someone else's (very well run, I might add) forum, declare oneself a "moderator," and then delete the wealth of information existing in a part of that forum is at the very least ridiculously rude. No explanation was given of why this person deleted those threads. I personally don't buy the argument that it was all in the name of "safety."

PEW
06-15-2007, 09:11 AM
I know nothing about Joe T. but, who to say it was he who did the hacking?

After looking at his web site, there is obviously an ego situation involved however, can't fault the safety issue.

frenchie
06-15-2007, 09:36 AM
It was him - he admitted as much today.

http://forums.jlconline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=303202#post303202

See the post by "Electrician" - also the response to Jimbo 2 posts up - I'd recognize that voice anywhere, it's him.


I used to stick up for him at JLC, because the man really is a walking encyclopedia of electrical code knowledge. And, strange as it sounds right now... he means well. He loses sleep over the idea of unqualified people doing electrical work, because he's seen too much of what it can lead to.

Problem is, he thinks the way to solve that is to withold information, instead of countering the bad information with correct information... and clearly, he's finally lost it, as well. Electrical inspector's version of PTSD?

Verdeboy
06-15-2007, 09:57 AM
You don't have to be an Islamic fundamentalist to be a whacko extremist. But "Electro-Terrorism"--That's kind of funny.

Terry
06-15-2007, 10:48 AM
I know nothing about Joe T. but, who to say it was he who did the hacking?


The moderator log list everything that happens,
Who did it,
What they did,
When they did it,
Which post or thread number,
Whether is was an edit or a deletion

It's all there in the log.

Alectrician
06-15-2007, 11:04 AM
Like Frenchie said, you might look into "Electrician".



It smells like a duck.

jbfan74
06-15-2007, 11:20 AM
Terry: Some good came out of this, you are getting a few more electricians to join your forum.

ChuckNJ
06-15-2007, 11:25 AM
What a loser, psyco, hack.

I have a cattle prod that I would like to check out on him.:)


Funny....

Some of the guys at JLC feel the same......

Hey Frenchie..... Nice seeing you here.

JBFAN74

Thanks for the link.

Found some good info here on this website. Signed up yesterday and I've already started learning new things.

jrseaberg
06-15-2007, 11:38 AM
I'm just a diy'er with a little common sense that has learned what a great resource this site is. (I don't do anything with electrical (((or plumbing, or concrete, or carpentry))) until I am absolutely sure of what I'm doing. I'm not going to kill myself or burn down my house:eek: )

When I read this guy's post yesterday about his being named "moderator" and his tone, I was, to say the least, upset. And then to find that I couldn't respond to his thread because it was "closed"....ARGH! I'm glad he wasn't the "official" he made himself out to be for the forum!

Anyway, in my humble opinion, it is up to the reader of the information to make the decision whether or not the advice is "good", "safe", etc. That is part of the reason I have relied so heavily on forums like this; you don't get just one person's opionion. I then use all my other skills (discernment, rational thinking, common sense for example) along with any feedback from the various people on this forum as replies, to decide if the given advice is right and safe for me to do, or if I don't have a clue and it's over my head. (Just like a doctor can tell me to control my weight because being obese is hazardous to my health, it is up to me to do it or not.)

So, for those of you are generous with your time, knowledge, and wisdom: Thank you, and please continue being helpful!

Pardon the lenght of this message!
Jim Seaberg

frenchie
06-15-2007, 02:03 PM
Terry - "electrician" is definitely Joe T., take it from me, we were friends until this happened.

Hey, Chuck - I thought you were going by DX here (post #6). I wonder who DX is, he's clearly from JLC too...

David/genie - Joe's a member of the NFPA, and the IAEI, and probably a few others... the guy's an institution in the electrical field, very well-known. There goes that legacy!

Cass
06-15-2007, 08:40 PM
I disagree, a plumber or non electrician should not answer any electrical questions!

That was evident here in the past!

:mad:

That decission, thank goodness, is not yours to make.

It is Terrys.

BTW did you know you live in the United States.

You can move to some other country where this kind of information is banned if it realy bothers you or you can just not come here and read it.

That is another thing this country lets you do.

frenchie
06-16-2007, 09:45 AM
Joe's posted to the parallel thread at JLC

http://forums.jlconline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37504

just thought you'd want to know.

hj
06-16-2007, 10:01 AM
I disagree, a plumber or non electrician should not answer any electrical questions!

That was evident here in the past!

:mad:

I am a plumber and I have had to troubleshoot for electicians in the past. A certificate does not give you inherent knowledge, nor does the lack of one imply ignorance of the trade.

Terry
06-16-2007, 11:53 AM
Joe asked if I needed help with moderation.
I thought it was a nice gesture.

While I was plumbing on Friday, he was busy deleting my forum.
When I came home and logged on, I was stunned.

I have eight other moderators, and I couldn't even conceive that someone would wipe out a forum on me.

I called him and asked him why he did it.
Thats when he informed me, "After he had done the dirty work" that he thought it needed erasing, the whole thing.

It was a total blindside.

snafflekid
06-16-2007, 12:11 PM
So, his few postings were a ruse.

I have heard people getting electrical advice at Home Depot, and it's not very good usually. This place, by far, is a better source.

geniescience
06-16-2007, 12:41 PM
His belonging to a couple minor associations does not make him a member of a limited-access profession. These are almost insignificant associations that he belongs to.

"Membership in the International Association of Electrical Inspectors is a great value for a small price" tells you that they'll take almost anyone. Their code of ethics may be non-existent.

Several posts above explain clearly why information in general is a good thing. Where to draw the line is not up to any one person to decide (except a site owner, for each site). It is certainly not up to an unlawul vigilante posing as a professional. You cannot be both a vigilante and a member in good standing in a professional association.

Since Joe Tedesco took action in his field, on behalf of the profession, he is even more liable for disciplinary action than if he were just a vigilante doing something far removed from his profession. His two or three easy-access professional associations might end up kicking him out, suspending him, or issuing a public reprimand. It shows they have teeth, and that their members have self-respect. It brings their association up to a higher level in many ways. Not to take any action, is to lower themselves, in many ways.

I hope this thread gets printed out and mailed to the groups where Joe is a member. His conduct reflects badly on him for years to come. Nobody in the world has a guaranteed right to renew their membership in an association. If he doesn't receive a renewal notice in the mail, he can take it up with the appeals committee, of each group.

David

Bob NH
06-16-2007, 01:57 PM
A moderator should only moderate the discussion to keep it within bounds of civility.

A moderator should not use his power to limit disagreements or restrict expression of facts and views of others that are reasonably related to the subject. That is especially important if a moderator has a business interest on one side or the other of an issue.

On the electrical forum there have been a few people who object to comments by those who are not licensed electricians. On Pumps and Wells there has been an effort to disparage persons and professions and threats to restrict the comments of some who hold points of view and offer facts that may differ from others on CSVs.

Moderators should moderate; they should not attempt to direct or limit legitimate discussion even if they disagree with it.

Cass
06-16-2007, 03:05 PM
An open letter to Joe T.

Dear Joe T.
In light of recent events I am writing this open letter.

I believe that based on the destructive actions you have taken to this forum and site, you need extensive professional help.

I would guess you are tops in your field but your expertise has or is becoming an obsession.

You feel that not enough has been done to protect people from themselves......so you have appointed your self as a type of public enforcer of sorts. This is not mentally healthy for you.

I am going to guess that you are short in stature, not married or were and are now divorced.

Maybe 1 child.

You have few if any friends and are mostly a loner.

You spend most of your waking time obsessing about people who do not understand you because you know better than they do. This will continue to alter your state of mind / being until you go completely off the deep end and perhaps do harm to someone. You feel you are superior and can't figure out why others don't know or understand that.

This is why you get extremely angry at people who give electrical advice but are, in your opinion only, not qualified to do so.

Your mental health and anger reached a point where your thoughts and intentions caused you to act in a criminal way and damage this web site. This may have been your first step outside the "box".

Your mental health will continue to degrade and your actions, over time, will become more and more erratic, out of control, desperate and dangerous.

There is a good chance you may reach a mentally unstable point where you purposely create an electrical hazard where someone is injured just to prove you are superior and right.

You are in need and should seek professional help immediately before thing get any worse.

J.Buesking
06-16-2007, 03:57 PM
Cass I've profiled him the same way. Kinda weird hearing someone else say it.

Joe when you read this don't take it the wrong way but try to better yourself and learn from it.

sjcrawley
06-16-2007, 09:00 PM
the last thing that is needed is another person who has a "god" complex. with all due respect who the heck does he think he is. not saying it was joe but who ever it was needs a swift kick in the pants because people like that should not breed.

Cookie
06-17-2007, 01:59 PM
I have been reading all the posts about, how one has to have an education in electrical in order to give out information. There are dangers in everything, if you think about it. If the plumber does not install the water heater correctly, it could blow like a rocket. Speaking of rockets, my husband was an Electrical engineer, it was one of his degrees. He had several. My husband taught our boys numerous things when they were small. He taught them, to do electrical work. My boys at age 8 were pulling wire thru things with him, they assembled rockets which impressed and delighted the neighbors, oh, did I mention, he was a " real" rocket scientist, lol, he did electrical for NASA. Before, we got married, we did the electrical together and shot rockets across the rivers. Any river. We had alot of fun. He believed in teaching, instructing, showing, demonstrating anything electrical. He believed that reduced the dangers. Not only in electrical but in anything. Ours sons were shooting 22's when, they were 4 years old. Shooting larger guns at age 8. They grew up knowing the dangers in things, were taught the dangers in things, and, taught the safe ways of doing things.

We had lots and lots of discussions on things in the evening. We are a science family. We talked about things in the evening, like Einsteins theories, and, when, we got on the subject of chaos, the Chaos Theory, I was told--I didn't know what what it was by one son. " OH, but I do, son, I told him----I am demonstrating it by creating it!"

All the bickering here reminds me of those nights. All the chaos which was created without a result. The result should be clearly seen. I will explain it in these words, these questions for you to think about:

Would you rather have your neighbor fixing something electrical by hit or miss. Would you rather have your neighbor, whose house is 200 feet from your own, guess on how to do something as simple as wiring a garage door opener, wiring an outlet, a fan, etc, etc, etc....

OR

Would you rather know who is living next to you, is asking for information HERE, rather than hitting or missing, guessing, asking HD for answers...

Generally as a rule, my friends, the homeowners, the male homeowners are going to give it a try, before spending out there hard-owned money.

Tell me, think about this. For those of you, who so positively think, that NO one but, people like skilled electricians, or rocket scientists should wire anything... I need to ask you, DO YOU call a plumber when, your water heater goes? When, a gas line needs fixed? When, you needed to install a new shut off for the stove? I bet you didn't...

It is far far better to ask questions. And, as I told my students sooo many years ago, " there are no silly, no stupid questions! ONLY those that are not asked."

Just like it is far far better to put a gun in a child's hand and teach him safety and take away that curiosity, it is far far better to WANT, to ENCOURAGE, people, to ask away!

There will always be various answers. That is part of a group mentality. That is always going to happen. With anything. If you get more than 2 people together, you will have a 50% chance of having 2 different answers.

I think people on the average are smarter than most people think they are; therefore, those seeking the answers are able to figure out, what is a good answer and what is not.

Think about it, the next time, you think about what your neighbor is doing next door. :)

Besides, how do you think anyone started? My husband and I were shooting rockets long before he worked for NASA. Any of you, any of you EE, electricians, plumbers, I don't care what you are, when did you start doing it? Well, before you got that sheepskin, or diploma I bet. The number one thing which usually, happens when someone gets the education, or gets the degree, is that they fail to stay humble.

My husband never lost it. That is what made him so great.

Rancher
06-17-2007, 05:18 PM
Cookie,

Thanks!

Amen.

Rancher

joe in queens
06-18-2007, 10:19 AM
Joe T is well known in electrical circles, and no doubt is an expert on code. I'm very surprised that he would delete an entire board for reasons we can only guess, and cannot see how that would do it any good.

What is disturbing is the way in which it was done. If someone entrusts you with the priviledge of moderating a highly popular site, you have a greater responsibility than any member or guest. Clearly, that trust was not only broken but abused.

While code is something we must all abide by, it is by no means perfect. A prime example is a kitchen island receptable, which I try to avoid installing whenever possible, because they're so dangerous - for both children and adults. A small child can pull a hot appliance down, and an adult walking by could catch or trip on the cord, also knocking a hot appliance down. But code says a receptable MUST be installed on islands.

Finally, the code is bound to become highly political in the coming years with all the environmental garbage. Already, Title 24 of the California Energy Code requires flouresecent lighting to be installed in kitchens and bathrooms - whether you want it or not. This has nothing to do with safety, and no doubt such regulations will make their way into the NEC.

Joe

ChuckNJ
06-18-2007, 11:03 AM
Joe T is well known in electrical circles, and no doubt is an expert on code. I'm very surprised that he would delete an entire board for reasons we can only guess, and cannot see how that would do it any good.

What is disturbing is the way in which it was done. If someone entrusts you with the priviledge of moderating a highly popular site, you have a greater responsibility than any member or guest. Clearly, that trust was not only broken but abused.

Joe

Joe,

This is the 2nd time he has done this. First time was less than a year ago at another forum I participate in. Yes, there is no excuse for why.

Again, I hope that Terry's web manager has some way of backing up the information and restoring the threads. If not, some back-up plan for any future "terrorism" should be set in place.

brownizs
06-18-2007, 04:33 PM
I talked to my brother, and he said with MySql, which is used mostly for PHP boards, the only way to create a backup of the database used for the thread files, is to create a database with a name such as (vbullitin(date of backup)), and copy everything from the one database to the other.

Sad thing is, the damage is already done, and some of the postings where good for research. Using web.archive.org, it currently shows 2006 as the latest, with 121 Threads, 756 posts. Problem is, there is no way to look through the older info.

Dunbar Plumbing
06-18-2007, 05:29 PM
Had no idea the electrical forum was as large as mentioned. Only frequented it once and BobNH and someone else gave good knowledge of what I was after.

I'm positive of two things:



This electrical forum will build back ten-fold since it got so much attention of other good electricians without a score to settle

AND

The name will have a search engine nightmare soon enough with this ongoing thread and keywords linking through his name.

Can't erase this since the web crawlers archive it and store it in databases that can be picked up for years.

Say it ain't so joe! LOL!

And I'm gonna help out Terry a bit for his hardship. :D :p :)
No such thing as an idle mind with me, heh.

J.Buesking
06-18-2007, 07:40 PM
brownizs

With Mysql you can have a scheduled backup run every night or two. You can install a script that will email or copy your database to another folder. You schedule it to run in the middle of the night when forum use is at it's lowest.

geniescience
06-18-2007, 08:08 PM
the following is one method I know to get recently deleted information back. It is a manual method working for individual threads or subjects or usernames.

Using the advanced search feature in Google (or I guess any search engine), type in
1. a user name,
2. a keyword or two, that will limit the search to electrical subjects
3. the website name (Google has a field for that so you don't write the web site name in to the general search field, instead you go to that field saying "only return results from the site or domain _________________")

An example of the three elements
-- "Bob NH" (later, try again using jadnashua)
-- breaker or panel or wiring
-- return results from the site or domain terrylove.com

this produces 1,650 and 3,400 results with each of the two usernames above. Too many, because of overlap (both people posted in the same thread) and because some of these threads are in the Remodel Forum or another.

Then, to get a thread (all of it), click on Google's cached version. This will only be valid for a few more days (weeks?), as Google updates its cache all the time.

Copy and paste.

-
David

p.s. Retrieved in Google's cache (Google picked it up on June 14th)

Subject line: Joe Tedesco, Moderator of this Electrical Forum
Body: I will Moderate this forum, and will not permit any messages that are not in the best interests of electrical safety.

Up until now many of the previous answers may have been given to those without the necessary knowledge, experience, and understanding related to being a qualified person.

I will appreciate your cooperation.

Please complete your profile, N/A is of no value, we will need to know who you are and if you are a qualified person.
__________________
Joe Tedesco, Moderator

Verdeboy
06-18-2007, 09:42 PM
[QUOTE=geniescience]Subject line: Joe Tedesco, Moderator of this Electrical Forum
Body: I will Moderate this forum, and will not permit any messages that are not in the best interests of electrical safety.

Up until now many of the previous answers may have been given to those without the necessary knowledge, experience, and understanding related to being a qualified person.

I will appreciate your cooperation.

Please complete your profile, N/A is of no value, we will need to know who you are and if you are a qualified person.
__________________
Joe Tedesco, Moderator [/QUOT


"Heil Hitler!"

HughJazz
07-02-2007, 11:01 PM
New here to the forum although I have visted Terry's site many times before and read Terry's "Gates Mansion story" quite a while back (read it if you haven't), just discovered the forum.

Thought I'd start in this forum because I know Joe Tedesco and have been the victim of his name calling and personal attacks. Sorry to hear about what happened (he did it before at the JLC forum) and hopefully this gets around before someone else falls victim to his childish behavior.

enosez
07-04-2007, 06:46 AM
Use the link below to see the most hated man on this board!!

http://www.electrical-contractor.net/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/103528/page/15#Post103528

Pewterpower
07-04-2007, 07:51 AM
Dayum..... I don't come to the elect forum much (but when I do, I always get my answers) so I missed this whole thing. In fact I was searching for something electrical and couldn't get any hits! That's when I discovered Joe Tedesco.
Just for giggles I googled him....... the guy seems to be somewhat of an institution. He's all over the place. I even found an obituary in the NY Times, but alas, it was someone else.
He is active in many different forums boards, and several look exactly like this one (same colors and everything) which explains his knowledge of how the board works. What a shame to have been attacked by this guy...

Terry
08-03-2008, 09:08 AM
Someone commented to me that maybe old Joe deleted his own posts.

No,

Joe never made any posts.

He deleted what other people had written.

Redwood
08-03-2008, 11:50 AM
Interesting, I saw this today when Terry's comments brought it to the top...

I have met Joe Tedesco!

Years ago I was sent by my employer at the time to one of his National Technology Transfer, Inc courses. It was nice to be out of the shop for a few days but I can't say that the course was anything great. Typical BS where the instructor lays on his credentials real heavy but gererally gives the impression of being a Pompous A$$. Course content weak and watered down with a high fear factor... Lots of time wasted on stupid pictures of electrical violations rather than the subject matter of the course... Anybody that doesn't know that an end of an extension cord mounted in a detergent bottle floating in a swimming pool is unsafe probably should be cut out of the herd and driven over a cliff... Darwin was right!

Pity my employer paid about a G-Note to send me... They could have just put it in my check it would have been a better use...

Cass, You were right! Joe Tedesco is a little short in stature. I'm average height and when I was standing next to him talking I was looking downward...

GrumpyPlumber
08-03-2008, 01:08 PM
Point of mention.
I don't know Joe from a hole in the wall, despite being from his state.
It was mentioned that another banned member knows Joe from a site I know the banned member from (I think)...Joe isn't a member of that site, not to my knowledge.

I'm also curious as to how the conclusion is that it was Joe that deleted all the info...did he log in under his own name?
Did he have moderator priviledges and abuse them?

I'll be clear, it's reprehensible what was done, even criminal...but I'd hate to think that someone entirely different hacked a site and he gets the blame.

geniescience
08-03-2008, 02:13 PM
For what it's worth, Grumpy, here is your answer: The guy admitted it himself after the fact, and after offering some reasons why he did it, he then said he didn't know or understand how bad it was for him to have done it. A form of apology.

david

GrumpyPlumber
08-03-2008, 02:19 PM
For what it's worth, Grumpy, here is your answer: The guy admitted it himself after the fact, and after offering some reasons why he did it, he then said he didn't know or understand how bad it was for him to have done it. A form of apology.

david

What were his reasons?

Redwood
08-03-2008, 02:49 PM
Paranoid Schizophrenia with Delusions of Grandueur?:confused:

Dunbar Plumbing
08-03-2008, 04:21 PM
Paranoid Schizophrenia with Delusions of Grandueur?:confused:


No.....that's me. Well, that's what they said when I was banned from little house on the prairie forums. I just was trying to prove that there was a soup ladle being used inappropriately from the community well, possibly causing others to get sick, and little johnnie would never wash his hands after picking his nose.


See? I had a right to stand up for the unprotected!

Cass
08-03-2008, 07:18 PM
Joe was given Mod. privileges under false pretences...He then deleted the entire electrical section while Terry was not on.

His reason was because he doesn't think anyone should tell anyone how to do anything electrical and he thinks it is his God given job to destroy any forum he can get on that does.

Redwood
08-03-2008, 08:52 PM
Or, is that legend in his own mind?

djackson593
09-28-2008, 08:05 AM
I have been watching another thread on electriciantalk and things got ugly there with Joe as well. The moderator shut it down and deleted a bunch of stuff. It looks like he is getting lambasted for going to Iraq for Kellog Brown and Root. People are accusing him of taking blood money. It looks like he can't take the heat. If you are going to dance with the devil, be prepared to pay the band.

One of the people in the battle link to this forum. so I joined.

jimbo
09-28-2008, 08:25 AM
It looks like he is getting lambasted for going to Iraq for Kellog Brown and Root. .

That's very interesting in light of the fact that a few DOZEN soldiers have been electrucuted...yes DEAD .......by faulty electrical systems installed int barracks and support buildings. Electrocuted in the showers, etc. The electrical work was done at GREAT taxpayer cost by unscrupulous contractors after quick big bucks. Way to go, Joe!

djackson593
09-28-2008, 09:12 AM
That's very interesting in light of the fact that a few DOZEN soldiers have been electrucuted...yes DEAD .......by faulty electrical systems installed int barracks and support buildings. Electrocuted in the showers, etc. The electrical work was done at GREAT taxpayer cost by unscrupulous contractors after quick big bucks. Way to go, Joe!

the biggest unscrupulous contractor is KBR. we all know about the electrocutions. they have been going on since 2003. KBR has always known about that. what makes now any different than say five years ago.

Thatguy
09-28-2008, 03:20 PM
FWIW, I consulted an attorney about who each person's posts really belong to.
He said that even if you copyright your posts it's not all that clear.

Dunbar Plumbing
09-28-2008, 07:53 PM
FWIW, I consulted an attorney about who each person's posts really belong to.
He said that even if you copyright your posts it's not all that clear.



How so,


and explain the reasoning why you did just that.

Thatguy
09-28-2008, 08:28 PM
How so, and explain the reasoning why you did just that.

I wanted to delete my posts from a forum on which I ultimately decided that I wasn't welcome. I got the runaround and my posts stayed.

So, I wondered if I had any legal recourse. You'd be surprised how things change when you make a credible threat. So I e-mailed a disgruntled engineer that I once worked with who became a patent attorney.

I find out it's very easy to do some things: get a credit card, get a cell phone, post messages, buy a car.
It's not so easy to undo those things; all of a sudden the same people who signed you up are not smiling anymore, and they no longer "comprendo inglÚs."

jimbo
09-29-2008, 07:00 AM
It seems that on most forums, not all but most, you can edit your own posts, including deletel

jwelectric
09-29-2008, 11:53 AM
Terry owns this forum so anything I bring in here and leave belongs to him.

So before I leave he will own this post.

brownizs
09-29-2008, 06:29 PM
The post actually belongs to the Forum owner, not the person posting. So the Copyright goes to Terry.

Cookie
09-29-2008, 11:55 PM
http://www.olywa.net/jgerecht/publish/copyright.htm

frenchie
10-01-2008, 03:53 PM
Sorry, gang, you're wrong on this one - copyright belongs to the author of the post, unless s/he specifically & explicitely gives it to the publisher.

This is one of the few bits of internet copyright law that's pretty clear: some forums state, in their terms of use, that all posts become property of the forum - and have lost court cases over them.

The copyright's still yours: they can't (for example) sue you for publishing the same post elsewhere. And they can't (another example) publish a book made up of all your posts (unless their ToU specified you to be granting them a full licence, like some websites do).

What you DO grant them, by posting, is an implied (limited) license to display your posts.

So in practical terms, in this case, the upshot's the same: you granted them the right to publish, and there's no way you can force them to delete your old posts. It'd be like an author demanding that his publisher track down & burn every copy of a book he wrote...

jar546
10-29-2008, 07:17 PM
I don't agree with what was done but unfortunately he was given the capability to so this. It is obvious that Terry had no idea this was going to happen but ultimately this is a breach of trust but I am not sure that under the circumstances this is a criminal act.

It is unfortunate that this happened and consider it a lesson learned the hard way. There are plenty of posts to come in this section and it will be slowly rebuilt with newer, fresh information.