Looking for a highly recommended wall mounted toilet.

[searchin]

I'm putting on a bathroom addition to my home and looking for an excellent wall mount. I have limited space so I'm combining shower and toilet in same area. Thus it needs to be off the ground. I'm a big fan of the 2 floor mounted Toto toilet's I have, but they don't currently seem to carry a wall mount. I visually like Duravit's modern style, but low maintenance, reliability and flush will always win out over style. I also don't know much about Duravit's performance.

Your advise is much appreciated!

[Peanut9199]

Duravit is a good name in Europe (made in Germany). They are just starting to make it in North America as there style is very european and sleek.
The in wall carrier used buy Duravit is actually made by to different people.
They have a Geberit carrier and a Grohedal carrier.
Grohe has a very good name as does Geberit, the only benefit is that Geberit has a better looking and a dual flush actuator.

[searchin]

Thanks for the info!

[californian3445]

I am in the same situation, though I eventually had to give up on the Duravit, and finally decided on a wall-hung, rear spud commercial toilet with a concealed flushometer. This is for an architectural residence under construction; master bath is also the main public/guest bath.

Since design is almost always my first priority, I had decided on the Duravit Caro. However, every supplier I talked to strongly discouraged any Duravit wall-hung toilets. Most told me that they simply don't work, though one also said that they don't comply with local codes (Anchorage, AK). The theory seems to be that the bowls were not designed for 1.6 gallon flushing, though I have been unable to confirm this. I spoke to a homeowner with several Caro wall-hung toilets, and he reported that they need to be flushed repeatedly, if not plunged, and that the bowls is rarely left clean. As if all of this weren't discouraging enough, my plumber refused to install one. So much for Duravit. The Caroma Walvit was reccomended, but I don't like the design, and it seems like it would cost about $2500, with all of the necessary components. I am curious about the Cheviot (www.cheviotproducts.com), which is very reasonably priced, but have not been able to find anyone who knows anything about it.

As for the flushometer models, at this point I am trying to decide between the Toto CT708V, and the Kohler Kingston (K-4329). If anyone knows anything about either of these toilets, I'd like to hear it. I'm also open to other brands, but havn't found any that I like so far. I'd be perfectly satisfied if I could get the Toto in black or grey, but their color selection is more limited for commerical models. Kohler does offer these colors, but I'm a little worried about performance, and I can't find out conclusively whether they make a closed-front seat with a lid that would fit correctly--even the open-front seat they show doesn't appear to match up with the rim.

[Peanut9199]

Not sure about not meeting code.
Duravit has been in business since 1817 and is huge in the Uk and European markets and they don't have the water pressure or drainage we have.
The wall hung in wall carrier toilets flush great we have a working unit and I personally sold approx 26 last year and 28 so far this year and have not had one complaint about anything.

[Peanut9199]

CT708V is only available in white, sedona beige or bone.
Although color is usually a longer delivery.
They have the SS114 soft close seat, closed front with cover for that toilet.
It says it fits that toilet, but have not seen it personally on the CT708V.

[geniescience]

.... eventually had to give up on the Duravit.... Weird situation you are in. Someone is brainwashing people. It may be a competitor manufacturer that doesn't want Duravit to get established in North America, conducting a dirty smear campaign behind the scenes. Often I have found myself responding to posts from people (who sign in here for the first time) to tell them that nothing is wrong with Duravit. I have often wondered why only Duravit was the subject from these brand new posters, and why strange problems that were not problems in terms of physical reality. Just perception or misinformation.

Now we have one more person saying nothing is wrong with Duravit. He is Peanut9199, and he knows more than I do.

These wall-hung toilets are not a big challenge, not a big deal. Any bowl, from any manufacturer, made for these carriers, will work. The carriers are often called "Euro Style" in the business, as far as I know. I have a bowl made by Catalano sitting on a Geberit carrier in a powder room, and guess what, the Catalano name is not even displayed anywhere on the Geberit web site page showing their inwall carrier and naming all the compatible bowls. (!!!). So I called the Chicago Faucet - Geberit tech support people and they said it would work, and that they would some day get around to updating their web site. These guys at Geberit really know a lot and they are quick too. I bought other products from them, and I called them several times. They don't sell direct, they just answer questions. I bought one more carrier and a new bowl, this time a Duravit. I love it.

Installation is numbskull simple. For any Euro Style bowl on a Geberit carrier. And on a Missal carrier too. And probably on a Grohedal carrier too. The same holes in the same places.

Back in 2005, I looked into Caroma and another wall hung toilet kit from a Turkish manufacturer. No problems to report.

David

p.s. i searched the web and saw that carriers cost less than ever now. A few hundred. I got both my bowls (Catalano and Duravit) for a price in that range too.

[Peanut9199]

My main seller is Toto probably 70% of my business, but we took on Duravit because of there styling and good name.
I have Toto in my house and love but still you have some people complain.
If i had the option to put in a Duravit wall mount toilet (6" wall depth) i would put in a minute. The idea of nothing under the bowl, so much easier to clean and no tank either.
I would bet money (and have) that wall mount toilets will increase in sales like it has in Europe and the UK.

[californian3445]

Thank you both for the info. The suppliers I've been dealing with don't seem to know much about wall-hung products. I was especially bothered when they said it didn't meet code but couldn't tell me why.

I've gotten used to battling with contractors who resist the unconventional, but never had to deal with as much opposition as when I said the word Duravit. "Do not buy one of those!" was the immediate response from the supplier that my plumber reccomended. Seemed like, for some reason, they really just didn't want to sell it. They didn't argue when I specified Toto for the rest of the toilets, though they were not a Toto dealer.

I was told that Duravit had recently been sold (to Geberit?), and that it had become difficult to get parts or support from the company. Any thoughts on this? I'd still consider using them in the future, but for this house we've already ordered a carrier for the flushometer toilet. Fortunately we have 1" supply lines in the master bath already.

[geniescience]

... "Do not buy one of those!" was the immediate response ....As for the guys who claimed wall hung toilets weren't Code, that definitely adds weight to the thesis that people don't want to do things that aren't already done commonly by others around them.

I wonder if Duravit has a qualification procedure that makes stores that sell only one, end up with almost no revenue.

david

[Peanut9199]

Duravit has not been sold to Geberit.
Another falsehold and parts are easy to get, their main plant is in Georgia.
I'm in Canada and can get parts in two days.

[srdenny]

Duravit and Geberit have formed a partnership to supply the N. American market with wall hung toilets. Geberit supplying the inwalls and Duravit supplying the bowls. Geberit, which has marketed the Tessera in wall wc in the US for a number of years is discontinuing this model. I've used it on a number of project and except for the learning curve on adjustment , and a recall on the fill valve, it's been a reliable product. I assume Geberit, not being primarily a porcelain producer, decided to focus on areas they are more comfortable with, like their in wall tank.

[geniescience]

strictly speaking, it is true that Duravit announced a "partnerhip" this spring, and that it has had the Geberit parts numbers in its catalogs for years already.

But when you buy a wall hung bowl from another company, guess what happen? O surprise, you find out that the Geberit carrier is now available for that bowl also. Geberit carriers can carry many bowls from many manufacturers. This state of affairs has been this way for a long time. Search on "neo metro" for an example.

Duravit has always had a leg up on other manufacturers, in terms of their integration with Geberit for dealer service and marketing: have you ever noticed that most showrooms have Duravit bowls and Geberit carriers?.

Now Duravit has won the right to declare itself a partner. Whoopee.

About the Tessera: Geberit made sure to make its own carrier look the same but not be the same, as the carrier available to the outside market. The supply and drain holes are in different places, and the drain pipe is twisted and patented. No big loss.

Summary: the in-wall carrier for wall hung toilets of any make compatible with the Euro style are available from Geberit as a single purchase, or from Duravit in combination with one of their bowls. Nothing to write home about.

david

[reanime]

Assuming Duravit is exercising quality control over their Phillipe Starck wall mount toilet bowl series 1,2,3, and X, with similar trap design, etc, my concern is flushing performance in this brand which their website seems to confuse with the amount of water saved. Does anyone have any flush experience with any of the Starck models, and if so roughly how many times a year is the plunger required. They're stylish, with a high cool factor, but nothing peeves me more than a poor performer. Some of the most beautiful design toilets cough and sputter during the flush regurgitating half their waste. I've got 3 Toto's and was blown away by their performance, only once requiring a plunger in the last 3 years I've owned them. And if noone owns a Starck model, can any of you Duravit owners give me a rough idea on the flushing performance of Duravit assuming your plumbing is up to par. that is, is it a '2-flusher' requiring two flushes to eliminate any trace of waste and have you used the plunger more than twice a year. Seriously considering the Duravit to satisfy the clients desire for a contemporary euro-design bathroom project, but don't want to lose credibility when the client complains of it being a pretty yet poor performer. Thanks for any feedback.

[geniescience]

i have a duravit. i like it. i have never had a clog or any problem.

if i understand your question well, i must then add this: the layout of the 3" drain pipe and the venting pipe after the toilet is connected to the wall (or floor, in a floor mount) is crucial to the performance, and cannot be brushed off with a simple remark like "assuming your plumbing is up to par". Too much ignorance; needs correction.

Your quest for knowledge and testimonials is good.
"my concern is flushing performance" - good !
"have any flush experience with" - good!

FWIW, all manufacturers "confuse with the amount of water saved" because they are not forced by consumers or by law into revealing anything about flushing performance, which if truth be told depends largely on the layout of the pipes and venting, things that are downstream of the toilet.

david

[reanime]

Thanks Teach! The real question here, though, is how's my syntax? Please spare me the creative writing critique, I'm on a mission here to find some answers about this toilet....or, YES...a quest for testimonials, not rhetoric. What I really wanted to know was a more descriptive analysis of the Starck or any Duravit in terms of perhaps noise, efficiency, and if it leaves any trace residual waste behind. Nevertheless, thanks for the "no clogs" and importance of venting, -good, good...thats a start. But the statement, "never had a clog or any problem" is vague and leaves the reader hanging....what do you mean by "any problem"...Too much ignorance; needs correction.......in other words, "just the facts, mam" :cool:

[reanime]

Does anyone have any experience with Caroma's Wall Hung Toilets? Any info at all? ....addendum: here's a great video/demo of the Caroma in action, but doesn't feature their wall hung units. Seems though that the company is quality controlled and the same efficiency would carry over to their wall hung units. Go to: http://www.greenbuildingsupply.com/Public/Energy-WaterConservation/WatersavingToilets/CaromaDualFlushToilet/index.cfm

[geniescience]

Problems? There have been none. That is enough description. In other words, since i have no complaints and no problems, I shall decline invitations to decribe more what potential problems I could be discussing.

Flush: I like the noises it makes. The water flush is smooth. And fast. The noise it makes is smooth. No sharp edges. I doubt that anyone has any clear vocabulary to suggest we could use to describe noise, so I'll just say that it is smooth and fast, so it seems efficient. Repeat: since it is fast, I'll say YES it is efficient. Whatever that means, to the reader.

Maybe another installation would not make the same noise, installed on different drain pipes with different venting. I don't know. I do know that I would pay more attention to the drain layout and venting than an impossible-to-verify so-called quality control in the manufacturer. I think the bowl design is more important than individual inspection and quality control. They are all glazed in the trapway; they are all smooth. The shape of the bowl and its trap determines a lot. That is "design", not Q.C. In my opinion.

As to the subject of residual matter, I do not wish to discuss this in a public forum with a sarcastic newbie. If anyone posting here wishes to describe the kind of stains they leave on toilet bowls, I welcome their posts. Tell us what happens when your #2 is hard and solid, and when it's wet and drippy. There may be something interesting for all to learn. Please feel free to share your experience.

I think noise is a lot more manageable than any other topic. How an individual drops solids into the bowl, or whether their solids will stain the side of the bowl, is their problem to manage.

david :)
p.s. i think i remember seeing a Handbook of Spare Terminology sitting around somewhere, waiting to be put to use. There may be a chapter on noise and toilet flush noise in particular. I'll look for it in the next few weeks. I do remember seeing "laminar" and "turbulent" flow noises, but I don't feel comfortable with those terms here, when the reader wants something simple, and besides, he or she may not understand these words until he gets his hands on the Manual too. If I see a link to a URL, I'll post it.
-d

[reanime]

sarcastic Newbie I am,
But when you're pumping $250K into an add-on bathroom and the architect needs the toilet dimensions yesterday, I need answers asap with no time for forum fun which I too indulge in. I was Toto bound till I took a recent survey bathrooms in the hotel/bar/restaurants of Europe and Mexico City where these toilets are the norm for space and conservation purposes, but at the same time have such a cool factor, that I was determined to find one of these for the states. Your persuasive posts (sans scat) are more informative than you know and have pretty much sealed the deal in my direction for wall mount/cistern style toilet. I guess my only remaining burning question to you is maintenance fears when essentially the cistern tank is sealed off from any service access short of cutting into that pristine venetian glass mosaic tile wall that it will sit behind. Better yet, where is the heart of the toilets mechanics and what on earth do you do if you have a flapper issue, or some other mechanical mishap involving the b/w the studs/in-wall cistern???...scuse my ignorance, but thats the first thing people will ask me along with the very common concern of meeting code requirements in Texas. Thanks, reanime

[Peanut9199]

All the parts that need to be repaired i:e. Flapper, fill valve etc.. are accessible from behind the flush actuator. These parts are easy to remove and re-assemble.
I have a parts breakdown and installation instructions if you want them.
The files are to big to post here, if you need them you can e-mail me.
peter@kleininternational.ca

[geniescience]

Ya gotta go look at the PDFs. Access is easy and no-one in the world has ever said they couldn't get access.

In more concrete terms, to get access, you remove the wall's flush actuator plate (which a four year old can do), you unscrew two Robertson-head screws from plastic (not hard and can be done with the tip of a steak knife), and then the plastic plate comes off, leaving an opening about the size of the flush actuator plate, that was about 6"x12" until about 2005 and 6"x9" for this year's model plate. You now have all the room you need to both see what you are doing with the moving parts and to get your fingers in there. The parts are right up front and top, so you'd do fine if your arms were only 6" long and fingers 2" long. AFAIC, you never need to stick your entire hand in to touch anything. The opening is far far larger than necessary. I hope this answers your main concern, about accessibility. The second question may then be how often parts need attention. AFAIK, there are no issues with Geberit stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if someone wanted to "take the training course" (that is sarcasm) or barring that, practice removing the plate to see all the stuff, put it back on, and remove it all over again, just to see the stuff again.

david
eidt: i just went and looked, and i realized that if your wall is thicker than average you will need fingers longer than 2". Anyone who services dungeons and castles needs real full-length fingers.

[geniescience]

Does anyone have any experience with Caroma's Wall Hung Toilets? ... Call Jon Eakes, and his assistant will probably be willing to flush his Caroma wall mount for you over the phone. You may have to offer to buy something from them too, to get them interested in a toilet flush noise comparison test, which is ultimately going to produce subjective results.

I wonder if we could start posting sound files here, as attachments. Like .wav or the audio component of mobile phone videos.

david

[geniescience]

hi peter!
can you comment about differences between Missal, Grohedal and Geberit carriers? All three fit the same bowls. Same holes.

david

[geniescience]

... didn't meet code but couldn't tell me why.... how to meet code.

it just occurred to me, that some people might need to have it pointed out to them, and that that might be why they say it isn't code -- because they didn't see what others saw, and no-one ever pointed it out to them!

to meet code, you need venting before the waste drain pipe goes south.

maybe Geberit and the other wall hung toilet carrier manufacturers need to draw that on their PDFs or on their marketing. All the various ways to vent after the waste comes out the back of the bowl.

Specifically, when you look at the bent tube, and you picture it going south, down through the floor, you then say uh-oh that's not code. True enough. Ya gotta plan that vent, and vent that plan.

More discussion available on request. If anyone asks.

david

[Peanut9199]

There is no real difference with function or serviceability of the two.
Grohe has a good name in the market but alot of people or more familiar with Geberit.
I would pick Geberit only for the style and choice of push button actuators.
Their standard is the dual flush and Grohedal is a single flush (Dual flush is avaialble but at more money).
The Grohedal has a "Surf" design and to me looks cheap.
I haven't seen the Missal so i can't comment on that.

[JojoSF]

Sorry to resurrect this old post...

I'm doing a bathroom remodel with space constraints. The wall-mount toilet looks like a good solution. There are few questions I have (not being a plumber!) I'm leaning toward a Duravit (Happy D).

1. Is it very noisy? This toilet is near my bedroom. Should I do any pipe/installation sound proofing?

2. If it does get plugged, how do I turn off the water?

3. My dad keeps telling me 'Get a Toto Drake'... Do you REALLY think the Duravit performs well enough??

Thanks for any and all comments!

[Redwood]

The wall hung carrier should break your buget!

You're dad is a smart man... You should listen to him!

[geniescience]

.... This toilet is near my bedroom. ... how do I turn off the water? ... how much noise can you sleep through? Any toilet makes noise when flushed. How many other people will flluch it ? ARe there other toilets in the house? This is more important than "choosing" between good options.

How tight is your space?

Turning off the water supply is a piece of cake, and it is a function of the wall carrier - which is a Geberit product -- and not the porcelain bowl which could be a Toto or a Duravit.


david

[JojoSF]

Thanks for your response.

I had read a post that talked about a insulating wrap being important for the wall carrier, as the flushing causes the noise to be transmitted through the studs (like a drum?) I also have had friends complain about their new 'power flush' toilet that (they say) sounds like a jet engine! I'm assuming that the Geberit tank sounds like a 'normal' toilet in terms of the water in the toilet bowl, but should I do some sort of sound proofing in the wall?


About access to the water supply, it sounds like the sort of procedure that you can do for service, but not practical for the over-flowing toilet! What do you think?

Thanks again! It seems like a big decision, because you can't easily switch it for a conventional toilet.

[Ralleia]

We've had a Caroma Walvit installed for almost two years now. I'm still pleased as punch with it. We have another one still boxed up in the basement with all the Swanstone and the new Moen valves waiting for our remodeling people and for us to have an open schedule at the same time to renovate the second bathroom.

We got all the parts--the carrier bracket, wall-hung bowl, tank, panel kit, thread fixing kit, uniconnector, and toilet seat for $717.37 per toilet. Freight was $190 total for two toilets.

Installation was a bit tricky, because the closest thing to instructions is specification drawings with some notes on them. Our remodelers were able to figure it out expediently though, after they and the Caroma rep convinced me that the carrier bracket could *NOT* install in a standard 4" stud wall. The tank, yes, but not the bracket.

For flush noise, the bowl noise is about the as our regular Eljer toilet, though much quicker, especially if I use the 0.8 gallon flush. The sound of the tank filling is very muffled with the Walvit, since it is inside the wall.

The Walvit does not keep the bowl as clean the regular toilet, probably partially because it uses so little water.

We've had to replace one part $2 part in the first six months--a rubber gasket or something that came loose and was allowing water to drain slowly from the tank into the bowl. It may have been a fluke, since neither the new one or the original piece on the other side has had the problem.

As far as flushing power, this toilet has thus far proven unstoppable. We love that 4" trapway!

[papadisco]

We've had a Caroma Walvit walhung in use for 2 years now and it is the best darn toilet ever. Quiet flush and silent refill. Tank in the wall is really cool and the wallhung installation makes cleaning a snap.

When trying to decide between the Caroma and the Gebervit I'd been counseled that the Gerbervit was still a high volume design being forced to operate on a much smaller 1.6 GPF diet. Both toilets are downwash flush designs, versus siphon action, and so the 4" trapway in the Caroma won out over the 3" trapway in the Gerbervit. I made the assumption that a siphon action flush might do O.K. with the smaller trapway (in fact may need it to be smaller), but when using the downwash (where your flushing water is dumped en masse into the bowl) design you wanted the biggest darn pipe you could get. So far, so good. We've never used a plunger once in two years.

That said, I think the criticisms of the Gerbervit were overstated. I have a favorite hotel I stay at and it only has residential Gerbervit wallmounts (the identical toilet I was looking at) with the in wall tank (no pressure flush). That toilet has always worked just as well as my Caroma at home. So if I had it to do over again, I might very well pick the Gerbervit and one of it's groovy looking bowls.

As to installation, it's not hard but very few people have installed one of these so it pays to go slow and make certain you have all your wall thickness dimensions right. You know your tile guy is going to add a little extra mud, and the wallboard guys too. I'd counsel anyone installing a wall hung to not trim the plastic outlet fitting until the wall is done, otherwise you might end up short. Also, the steel mounting frame is great, but it costs equal to the toilet itself (essentially doubling your cost) so if you're a very solid framing carpenter you can do without the steel frame and save yourself $375 or so. For me, I'd always get the frame because it's so solid, bolted straight to the floor and in between studs. Awesome mount.

Also, the wall hung toilet will not mount above a 4" baseboard without being too high. So you'll have to notch your tile baseboard and inch or two. I think the Gerbervit bowls are a little shallower (at least the look it to my eye) and so they may not suffer from this.

Lastly, next time I'd get creative with my in wall tank location. I installed the Caroma thinking of a typical toilet installation: put the tank in the wall behind the toilet. In fact the tank can be mounted anywhere; put it in the next county if you like. All it has to be is at an elevation higher than the toilet. The higher you put it the more powerful the flush to the point where it actually comes with restrictor washers that you can install in order to slow the water down. If I had the option, I'd put the tank in an attic or other utility space where I could get to it easily, but where it would be a silent partner in flushing. :D

So, show off your plumbing skills and get a wall hung for your next toilet. If you live in a household that uses the plunger a lot, then maybe lean toward the Caroma with the 4" diameter trapway. If not, then get the Gerbervit or the Caroma as your sense of style (and pocketbook!) dictate.

[Jelly]

I'm looking at what to spec in regards to a wall hung unit in my new house. Will probably go with Duravit/Geberit.

But a tempting wall hung option is on offer from Cheviot for a little bit less. This is a Canadian company which actually just imports, but the toilet and concealed tank are made by a Turkish company called VitrA. Same flush volume, but it looks like the water level in the bowl may be a bit higher than the Duravit models, which would make it easier to keep clean (the toilet brush wouldn't be needed as often).

Anyone have experience with the Cheviot/VitrA wall-hung model?

[Johnzane]

Duravit is really making inroads among the designers here in San Francisco, you see more and more high-end showrooms with the complete line of products. They are expensive, no doubt, but there's nothing to compare to the brand's cool factor.

It took 3 successive plumbers to figure our how to install my Stark 3 wall hung model (220009), and I still had to tinker with it to get it to flush correctly. If yours does not flush completely (the water should practically shoot from the front of the bowl, and down the throat), the white plastic sleeve is being prevented from floating up by the red plastic mount, and you might have to shave off the angle-cut flange at the bottom to fix it. Once done, the flushing action is truly a work of art, quick, low water usage, and effective.

I highly suggest hiring a plumber who can PROVE they've hung one before. The directions are all pictures, no english, and not user friendly. I'm still trying to figure out how to increase the water surface. Anyone have suggestions?

BTW, these are often sold without the seats or the carriers. The Geberit is recommended, but make sure the lower end of the carriage frame is firmly against the inside of your wall surface. If not, use plywood or shims to fill in the gap. I failed to do this, and broke my perfect drywall job. The Geberit carrier and toilet allow for only two threaded carrier bolts, not four, as on the American Standard wall hungs (I don't know why the German's didn't follow suit), so the bottom of your toilet is going to rest heavily on your wall.

Also, there is no other seat/cover option for many of these duravit toilets, and they are horribly expensive, $130 for white plastic.

BTW, Toto just came out with a wall hung that looks like a dead ringer for the Stark 3, except there's a little hump protruding from the bottom, like the curve of a P-trap. If I could have waited, I would definitely have chosen a Toto over Duravit, especially if it employed standard seats and covers!

[HoracioO]

BTW, Toto just came out with a wall hung that looks like a dead ringer for the Stark 3, except there's a little hump protruding from the bottom, like the curve of a P-trap. If I could have waited, I would definitely have chosen a Toto over Duravit, especially if it employed standard seats and covers!

What's the model? The only ones I could find are commercial and they really look institutional and don't have that contemporary Duravit look.

Cheers

[Johnzane]

I will check with the toto showroom for the model number of their wall hung toilet, and report later. It did not look like the American Standard most institutions have, though I would still recommend them. They have undeniably one of the largest water surface "spots" around. As an aside, I received a very thorough explanation of why some bowls have low water spots from the folks at Duravit, "Low surface water spots on wash down toilets means the height of the trap is set low, and nothing can be done to raise it." See photo:

[Johnzane]

Here is the new toto CW762Y, I found it at the Toto website online. Looks expensive, but very similar to the Duravit. See photo:

[Peanut9199]

The Aquia is now available in the wal hung

10021

10020

http://www.totousa.com/ProductDetail/tabid/75/Default.aspx?ProductId=b959c1a2-91e3-4d8c-95c8-54efe176ac02&SearchId=5e386b02-1d82-4293-967d-0c257ded6f53

[saltytx]

FYI Geberit has posted an instructional video on youtube detailing the installation of the carrier and commode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6aeoHPkcY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6aeoHPkcY